From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 01:26:09 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA03613 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 01:26:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA01809 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 01:26:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49444-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 01:23:54 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:6033 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49443-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 01:23:45 +0200 Received: from [62.172.28.127] (helo=chriswal) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11AiTf-00053S-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 00:23:43 +0100 Message-ID: <001301bedbac$0f32d500$7f1cac3e@chriswal> From: "Matt Wales" To: References: <37A3433A.CDFE7B5D@btinternet.com> Subject: Music Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 00:25:26 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 91 Does anyone know where I can get any midi music editing software for the SAM coupe? Matt From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 09:47:39 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA03308 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:47:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id JAA07571 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:47:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49256-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:44:31 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:54207 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49231-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:44:15 +0200 Received: from [212.140.65.190] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11AqHw-0006S9-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 08:44:12 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01bedc34$c6b03780$be418cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Amstrad Printer Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 08:43:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0018_01BEDBF9.EFE2A420" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 37 Content-Length: 1028 ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BEDBF9.EFE2A420 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 73 Does anyone have the dip switch settings for the amstrad DMP3000. Bob ------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BEDBF9.EFE2A420 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 585
Does anyone have the dip switch = settings for the=20 amstrad DMP3000.
 
 
Bob
 
------=_NextPart_000_0018_01BEDBF9.EFE2A420-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 11:53:44 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA10362 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:53:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA16945 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:53:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49305-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:39:53 +0200 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.81]:61396 "EHLO tungsten.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49288-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:39:42 +0200 Received: from host5-171-231-32.btinternet.com ([195.171.231.32] helo=btinternet.com) by tungsten.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11As5j-0004xz-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 10:39:39 +0100 Message-ID: <37A4142F.B32DFF5C@btinternet.com> Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 10:32:31 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM Mailing List Subject: Some SAM scans Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 872 Hi, probably of little interest to anyone, but at http://www.btinternet.com/~t.harte/SAM1.jpg you can find a 255kb hardly compressed 72dpi scan of the Dyzonium and Waterworks inlays, and at : http://www.btinternet.com/~t.harte/SAM2.jpg a 257kb similarly sized scan of The Bulgulators and Parallax, and finally at : http://www.btinternet.com/~t.harte/SAM3.jpg Boing & Splat! (214kb). Of course all three addresses are case sensitive. Of course, I am fully aware that I do not own the copyright on any of these images, and have kept them to 72dpi to prevent them being cleanly reproducable on paper (you know, for the piracy scams some people here are 'worried' about frequently). I will not hesitate in removing these files if anybody asks me to. I just thought someone might like to use the cover work on their SAM related site or something. -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 13:16:22 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA15179 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:16:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA23796 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:16:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49287-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:06:35 +0200 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.20]:30218 "EHLO tele-post-20.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49281-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:06:18 +0200 Received: from twellys.demon.co.uk ([193.237.33.61]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11AtRX-000Nzk-0K for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 11:06:16 +0000 Received: from localhost (tgw@localhost) by twellys.demon.co.uk (8.9.1/8.9.0) with ESMTP id MAA00254 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:29:04 +0100 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:29:04 +0100 (BST) From: Tim Wells To: Sam Usergroup Subject: Re: Amstrad Printer In-Reply-To: <001b01bedc34$c6b03780$be418cd4@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 13 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 396 On Sun, 1 Aug 1999, Robert Wilkinson wrote: > Does anyone have the dip switch settings for the amstrad DMP3000. I used to (may still do...) have a DMP3000, and had a photocopy of the manual. Will try & dig it out for you. Unfortunately, it is likely to be in my parents' loft, and so it may well be the end of the month before I can get to it. Sorry I can't be of immediate help, Tim Wells From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 13:58:20 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA17407 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:58:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA27359 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:58:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49349-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:56:16 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:20966 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49319-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:56:00 +0200 Received: from [62.172.30.13] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11AuDT-0002Ej-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:55:48 +0100 Message-ID: <001e01bedc57$f0024a60$0d1eac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: DMP3000 Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:55:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001B_01BEDC1D.19AA3520" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 42 Content-Length: 1158 ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BEDC1D.19AA3520 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 63 To Tim Wells. No problem I can wait. Thanks. Bob wilkinson ------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BEDC1D.19AA3520 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 725
To Tim Wells.
 
 
No problem I can wait.
 
Thanks.
 
Bob = wilkinson
------=_NextPart_000_001B_01BEDC1D.19AA3520-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 14:18:43 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA18680 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:18:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA29108 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:18:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49314-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:16:55 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:41226 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49310-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 14:16:36 +0200 Received: from [195.8.77.179] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11AuXa-0000il-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 13:16:34 +0100 Message-ID: <006d01bedc0f$4280a5a0$b34d08c3@persona> From: "David L" To: Subject: Fw: [Fwd: Sam Coupé] Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 12:16:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 Content-Type: multipart/mixed; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_006A_01BEDC17.A37BA320" X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 53 Content-Length: 1164 ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01BEDC17.A37BA320 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" X-Sun-Content-Length: 278 -----Original Message----- From: khamsin To: persona@clara.net Date: 27 July 1999 07:02 Subject: [Fwd: Sam Coupé] >Hello, > >can you sent me your actual list? I am searchiing a second internal >diskdrive for my sam. > >XU khamsin > ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01BEDC17.A37BA320 Content-Type: message/rfc822 Content-Description: =?iso-8859-1?B?U2FtIENvdXDp?= Content-Disposition: inline X-Sun-Content-Length: 541 X-Mozilla-Status2: 00000000 Message-ID: <375105B7.3D62B09D@arcormail.de> Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:32:40 +0200 From: khamsin X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.51 [de]C-CCK-MCD QXW03200 (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: de,en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: persona@clara.net Subject: Sam =?iso-8859-1?Q?Coup=E9?= Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Hi there! i am searching a second internal Diskdrive for my SAM 512K. Do you know where i can get one? Here in germany i didnt find any. Thanks Khamsin ------=_NextPart_000_006A_01BEDC17.A37BA320-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 18:07:23 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA02018 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:07:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA17448 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:07:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49396-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:02:26 +0200 Received: from web1106.mail.yahoo.com ([IPv6:::ffff:128.11.23.126]:41222 "HELO web601.yahoomail.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49386-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:02:17 +0200 Message-ID: <19990801160145.17542.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [212.54.221.3] by web1106.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 01 Aug 1999 09:01:45 PDT Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 09:01:45 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?george=20boyle?= Subject: Re: Fw: [Fwd: Sam Coupé] To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 50 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 960 Hello David George here out in Faliraki Rhodes, just saying hello to all on the users list & sam world --- David L wrote: > > -----Original Message----- > From: khamsin > To: persona@clara.net > Date: 27 July 1999 07:02 > Subject: [Fwd: Sam Coupé] > > > >Hello, > > > >can you sent me your actual list? I am searchiing a > second internal > >diskdrive for my sam. > > > >XU khamsin > > > > ATTACHMENT part 2 message/rfc822 > Date: Sun, 30 May 1999 11:32:40 +0200 > From: khamsin > To: persona@clara.net > Subject: Sam Coupé > > Hi there! > > i am searching a second internal Diskdrive for my > SAM 512K. Do you know > where i can get one? > > Here in germany i didnt find any. > > Thanks Khamsin > > === George _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 21:31:47 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA13795 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:31:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA05310 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:31:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49492-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:25:54 +0200 Received: from trolly.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.166]:26271 "EHLO trolley.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49489-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:25:33 +0200 Received: from [62.172.27.152] (helo=default) by trolley.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11B1Ef-0000wF-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:25:30 +0100 Message-ID: <001001bedc96$c0c08480$981bac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:24:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEDC5B.EC4F30A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 29 Content-Length: 765 ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEDC5B.EC4F30A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 26 who sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEDC5B.EC4F30A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 369
who sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no ------=_NextPart_000_000D_01BEDC5B.EC4F30A0-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 21:48:44 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA14648 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:48:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA07077 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:48:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49500-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:33:22 +0200 Received: from trolly.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.166]:14242 "EHLO trolley.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49499-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:33:12 +0200 Received: from [62.172.26.252] (helo=default) by trolley.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11B1M1-00033C-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:33:08 +0100 Message-ID: <001801bedc97$d08c9880$981bac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Hello Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:33:35 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0015_01BEDC5D.21081680" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 39 Content-Length: 1079 ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BEDC5D.21081680 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 69 Hi to all Sam users. >From Bob Wilkinson (Peterborough England) ------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BEDC5D.21081680 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 640
Hi to all Sam users.
 
From  Bob Wilkinson = (Peterborough=20 England)
 
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0015_01BEDC5D.21081680-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 22:37:07 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA17300 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:37:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA12687 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:37:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49499-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:35:46 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:4101 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49489-15166> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:35:07 +0200 Received: from [195.8.76.82] (helo=du-019-0082.claranet.co.uk) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11B2K2-000ABg-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 21:35:06 +0100 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Hello Date: Sun, 01 Aug 1999 20:35:33 GMT Message-ID: <37a5af0e.349417@relay.clara.net> References: <001801bedc97$d08c9880$981bac3e@default> In-Reply-To: <001801bedc97$d08c9880$981bac3e@default> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 306 On Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:33:35 -0700 Sun, 1 Aug 99 21:29:33 BST, "Robert Wilkinson" wrote: >Hi to all Sam users. >>From Bob Wilkinson (Peterborough England) Please send emails here as plain text or the others will start moaning at you. Welcome anyway. :) Bye for now, Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 23:56:31 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA21805 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:56:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA21155 for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:56:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49492-15166>; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:54:21 +0200 Received: from tantalum.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.80]:60887 "EHLO tantalum.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49520-15166> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 23:53:53 +0200 Received: from [195.171.225.175] (helo=store.house) by tantalum.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11B3Y6-0007cK-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:53:49 +0100 Received: from toy.house [192.168.116.10] by store.house with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11B3Yd-00062y-00; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:54:15 +0100 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001001bedc96$c0c08480$981bac3e@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 22:53:07 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 684 > who sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no You have to send those to sam-users-request@nvg.ntnu.no. Or alternatively, ask Dan Dooré very nicely and he can send you a copy of the annotated list, which attaches (known) names to email addresses. Or alternatively again, take a look at http://mnemotech.ucam.org/samusers.html which was supposed to be a veritable "Who's Who" of sam-users subscribers. But not very many people have bothered to opt in... HTH Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 2 00:14:12 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA22818 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:14:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA23005 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:14:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49520-15166>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:01:41 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:14610 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49518-15166>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:01:25 +0200 Received: from man-ppp-a178.networksplus.net ([198.243.69.178]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 17:02:38 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:06:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: In-reply-to: <001001bedc96$c0c08480$981bac3e@default> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990801220130Z49518-15166+515@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 382 From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Date sent: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 20:24:57 -0700 Send reply to: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > who sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > me. some other people. bob. bob under some other names. -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 2 00:21:18 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA23425 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:21:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA23715 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:21:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49520-15166>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:19:20 +0200 Received: from imo26.mx.aol.com ([IPv6:::ffff:198.81.17.70]:62990 "EHLO imo26.mx.aol.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49500-15166>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 00:19:13 +0200 Received: from PGLOVER43@aol.com by imo26.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id jKSBa01827 (4447) for ; Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:19:01 -0400 (EDT) From: PGLOVER43@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Sun, 1 Aug 1999 18:19:01 EDT Subject: Re: Hello (Bob Wilkinson) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 134 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 409 Bob Wilkinson... I seem to recall a Bob Wilkinson being the genius behind Outwrite 1 and 2, unless my memory fails me. Are you the same person? If you are, I'd like to thank you for one of the best pieces of SAM software ever written. I've used Outwrite for hundreds of letters and dozens of text files, and found it very easy to use and better than any word processors published by Format. Phil Glover From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 2 02:06:24 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id CAA05831 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:06:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id CAA03846 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:06:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49500-15166>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:02:03 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:54099 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49489-15166>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 02:01:45 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-2-191.cvx2.telinco.net [212.1.141.191]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 18A5563B2B for ; Sun, 01 Aug 1999 20:01:32 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37A4DFD0.DB17B567@bonbon.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 01:01:20 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 477 Andrew Collier wrote: > > Or alternatively again, take a look at > http://mnemotech.ucam.org/samusers.html which was supposed to be a > veritable "Who's Who" of sam-users subscribers. But not very many people > have bothered to opt in... > Didn't know it existed... I'll dig out an embarrasing photo & whip it up there right away.... :o) Thanks for the (subtle?) hint... tartar (sauce) Martin Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 2 08:54:24 1999 Received: from condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.25]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id IAA00384 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:54:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se ([194.237.142.111]) by condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id IAA13677 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:54:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id IAA13471 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:50:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49477-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:44:24 +0200 Received: from trolly.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.166]:1172 "EHLO trolley.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49479-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:44:13 +0200 Received: from [212.140.72.208] (helo=default) by trolley.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11BBpS-00020e-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 07:44:11 +0100 Message-ID: <001301bedcf5$90a6c7a0$d0488cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 07:42:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 907 -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 01 August 1999 15:06 Subject: Re: > who sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no You have to send those to sam-users-request@nvg.ntnu.no. Or alternatively, ask Dan Dooré very nicely and he can send you a copy of the annotated list, which attaches (known) names to email addresses. Or alternatively again, take a look at http://mnemotech.ucam.org/samusers.html which was supposed to be a veritable "Who's Who" of sam-users subscribers. But not very many people have bothered to opt in... HTH Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- Thank you Andrew. I got it right the second time round. Bob. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 2 08:54:39 1999 Received: from condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.25]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id IAA00382 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:54:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se ([194.237.142.111]) by condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id IAA13675 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:54:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id IAA13468 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:50:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49491-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:44:22 +0200 Received: from trolly.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.166]:916 "EHLO trolley.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49477-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 08:44:12 +0200 Received: from [212.140.72.208] (helo=default) by trolley.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11BBpR-00020e-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 07:44:09 +0100 Message-ID: <001201bedcf5$8fe684e0$d0488cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Hello (Bob Wilkinson) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 07:41:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 677 -----Original Message----- From: PGLOVER43@aol.com To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 01 August 1999 15:22 Subject: Re: Hello (Bob Wilkinson) >Bob Wilkinson... I seem to recall a Bob Wilkinson being the genius behind >Outwrite 1 and 2, unless my memory fails me. Are you the same person? > >If you are, I'd like to thank you for one of the best pieces of SAM software >ever written. I've used Outwrite for hundreds of letters and dozens of text >files, and found it very easy to use and better than any word processors >published by Format. > >Phil Glover > One and the same. Glad you liked it. I now use Ver 3.0 Bob wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 2 09:19:38 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA01954 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:19:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id JAA24071 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:19:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49477-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:15:43 +0200 Received: from penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se ([IPv6:::ffff:194.237.142.110]:17114 "EHLO penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49236-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:15:17 +0200 Received: from edh3.edh.ericsson.se (edh3.edh.ericsson.se [193.180.212.12]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id JAA28599 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:15:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from asmal.edh.ericsson.se (asmal [193.180.212.34]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA01750 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:15:11 +0200 (MET DST) From: Frode Tenneboe Received: by asmal.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1b+Sun/client-1.7) id JAA02249; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:15:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199908020715.JAA02249@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 09:15:07 +0200 (MET DST) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Home made 256kb SAM expansion In-Reply-To: <37A344A6.E2C0BF69@btinternet.com> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1184 Thomas Harte wrote: > Hi, > > Having sent it already to the wrong mailing list (although thanks to > everyone here for helping me on Mode-X when I made a similar error on a > different occasion), I'd like to say: > > in about 1993 I was due to receive the schematic to make myself > a 256kb SAM upgrade, which the person who was going to send me claimed > would cost me only £8. Clearly this was less than the £40 or so they > charged then by quite a bit. However he never sent it. > > Where can I get the necessary wiring information, and would it > be any cheaper than the £12 Persona would charge? > I posted (I think) a recipie for this some years back. I can't find the original post, though. I will take another look. I also seem to remeber it being on the scrapbook.... -Frode > -Thomas -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: ft@edh.ericsson.se ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. N-1788 Halden | | | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | Frode@IRC | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | | Deus Meus! Securis in capite meo est. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 2 12:10:18 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA13096 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:10:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA04832 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:10:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49524-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:06:38 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:47631 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49500-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 12:06:12 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA05504 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:06:01 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id LAA26455 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:05:54 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 11:05:53 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Oops Message-ID: <19990802110553.A26253@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1262 Stupid arsing disk quotas again... I have inadvertently junked the following messages. If anyone has them, they will come in handy for the archive (if I ever get round to updating it, shortly before SOI is released...). >From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 00:25:55 1999 Subject: Music >From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 08:45:50 1999 Subject: Amstrad Printer >From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 10:53:07 1999 Subject: Some SAM scans >From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 12:14:14 1999 Subject: Re: Amstrad Printer >From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 12:58:07 1999 Subject: DMP3000 >From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 13:18:20 1999 Subject: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fw:_=5BFwd:_Sam_Coup=E9=5D?= >From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 17:06:39 1999 Subject: Re: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Fw:_=5BFwd:_Sam_Coup=E9=5D?= >From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 20:30:29 1999 (Subject line absent) >From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 20:50:58 1999 Subject: Hello >From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 21:36:53 1999 Subject: Re: Hello >From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 22:55:59 1999 Subject: Re: >From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 1 23:13:50 1999 Subject: Re: imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 2 14:42:02 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA22485 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:41:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA03305 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:41:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49542-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:39:50 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:17769 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49531-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:39:35 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-1-99.cvx7.telinco.net [212.159.128.99]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E052E63B8D for ; Mon, 02 Aug 1999 08:39:10 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37A59169.7C6CA15E@bonbon.net> Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 13:39:05 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Oops References: <19990802110553.A26253@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 593 Hi Ian, I keep copies of all the mail sent on here (you ARE being watched... ) ....for a while.... going back to 11th of January if you want em... Urm... in Netscape Communicator - so I dunno how I'll get that to you?!.... Lemme know if you want em now/later Martin Ian Collier wrote: > > Stupid arsing disk quotas again... I have inadvertently junked the > following messages. If anyone has them, they will come in handy for > the archive (if I ever get round to updating it, shortly before SOI is > released...). -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 2 15:55:10 1999 Received: from condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.25]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id PAA27431 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:55:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id PAA12395 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:55:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49573-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:49:37 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:18699 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49563-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 15:49:23 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA06560 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:49:14 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id OAA27136 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:49:04 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 14:49:03 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Oops Message-ID: <19990802144902.B26253@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <19990802110553.A26253@comlab.ox.ac.uk> <37A59169.7C6CA15E@bonbon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <37A59169.7C6CA15E@bonbon.net>; from Martin Fitzpatrick on Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 01:39:05PM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no X-Lines: 7 Status: RO Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 210 On Mon, Aug 02, 1999 at 01:39:05PM +0100, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > Lemme know if you want em now/later Frode has obliged, so it matters no more. Thanks for the offer, and thanks to Frode as well. :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 2 21:49:57 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA17509 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:49:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA07496 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:49:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49593-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:48:44 +0200 Received: from fep4-orange.clear.net.nz ([IPv6:::ffff:203.97.32.4]:3266 "EHLO fep4-orange.clear.net.nz" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49645-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:48:30 +0200 Received: from clear.net.nz (a001-m001-u71.dune.clear.net.nz [203.167.192.70]) by fep4-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.3) with ESMTP id HAA11807; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:48:21 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <37A63602.31FE79CF@clear.net.nz> Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 01:21:23 +0100 From: Gasson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Any one got a Comet (the assembler) manual or References: <19990802075051.71326.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 947 Lars Persson wrote: > Some kind of short manual. I have n't used for many years now so I'm a > little rusty and I have a lot of unfinished projects to finish of the the > Coupé. And also, if any one is intressed in helping me finish up a vertical > Shoot em up for the Coupe I would really appriciate it. (Like designing > alien pattern, levels , sound fx etc) > > Best wishes Lars.. I have Comet. If you can't find anywhere else to get the manual from, then I suppose I could type some of it up for you. *grumble* *grumble* 23 pages long *grumble* *grumble* *grumble*. I'm not so sure about helping with a software project though. I've got lots of other things that I _should_ be doing, but aren't 'cause I'm too damn lazy, so I doubt I'd be much use here. Perhaps you'd be more likely to get a response if you posted a few more details? (Although on the other hand, you might not want to give too much away at this stage.) -- James Gasson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 2 22:27:24 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA19646 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:27:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA18219 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:27:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49642-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:24:42 +0200 Received: from f304.hotmail.com ([IPv6:::ffff:207.82.251.217]:54032 "HELO hotmail.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49593-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:24:26 +0200 Received: (qmail 48975 invoked by uid 0); 2 Aug 1999 20:24:15 -0000 Message-ID: <19990802202415.48974.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.163.232.50 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 02 Aug 1999 13:24:13 PDT X-Originating-IP: [195.163.232.50] From: "Lars Persson" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Any one got a Comet (the assembler) manual or Date: Mon, 02 Aug 1999 13:24:13 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 43 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed" Content-Length: 1610 Hi there James! I would really appriciate just a couple of pages of the comet manual, not the whole thing, just how to load/ save files. When it comes to the Vertical shooter , I already have some great graphics, but might need some additions. Could post some screenshots if any one is intressted. Best Wishes Lars >From: Gasson >Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >Subject: Re: Any one got a Comet (the assembler) manual or >Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 01:21:23 +0100 > >Lars Persson wrote: > > Some kind of short manual. I have n't used for many years now so I'm a > > little rusty and I have a lot of unfinished projects to finish of the >the > > Coupé. And also, if any one is intressed in helping me finish up a >vertical > > Shoot em up for the Coupe I would really appriciate it. (Like designing > > alien pattern, levels , sound fx etc) > > > > Best wishes Lars.. > >I have Comet. If you can't find anywhere else to get the manual from, >then I suppose I could type some of it up for you. *grumble* *grumble* >23 pages long *grumble* *grumble* *grumble*. > >I'm not so sure about helping with a software project though. I've got >lots of other things that I _should_ be doing, but aren't 'cause I'm too >damn lazy, so I doubt I'd be much use here. Perhaps you'd be more likely >to get a response if you posted a few more details? (Although on the >other hand, you might not want to give too much away at this stage.) > >-- >James Gasson > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 2 22:54:11 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA21108 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:54:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA27181 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:54:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49652-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:53:04 +0200 Received: from mail15.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.25]:16488 "EHLO mail15.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49648-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:52:46 +0200 Received: from modem-31.lute.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.101.31] helo=sadsnail) by mail15.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11BP4d-0005Ab-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:52:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000b01bedd28$f48d8be0$1f65883e@sadsnail> From: "Tim" To: References: Subject: Plugs for webpages (was: Re: ) Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:24:13 +0100 Organization: Sad Snail Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1029 From: Andrew Collier >Or alternatively again, take a look at >http://mnemotech.ucam.org/samusers.html which was supposed to be a >veritable "Who's Who" of sam-users subscribers. But not very many people >have bothered to opt in... A not surprising apathy I got a reasonable amount of people to give me permission to put their addresses on my more general contacts page ages ago, though I suspect quite a few of those are broken.(Cue possible spam-like email to check which addresses are still valid if I keep such a contacts page going). It was a nice idea at the time, names and emails of people who were happy be contacted by other sam owners. Can't remember the last time someone sent me a name to add though (actually I can, it's Stephen McGreal, back in May. He's been added to my local copy, but since I've been working on them all, haven't uploaded it to mono.org. Can't remeber the one before that though.) Actually I don't have your details up either, I'll do yours if you do mine ;-) ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 2 22:54:26 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA21105 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:54:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA27178 for ; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:54:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49653-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:53:02 +0200 Received: from mail15.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.25]:16744 "EHLO mail15.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49652-3217>; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 22:52:46 +0200 Received: from modem-31.lute.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.101.31] helo=sadsnail) by mail15.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11BP4e-0005Ab-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 2 Aug 1999 21:52:45 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01bedd28$f55e9780$1f65883e@sadsnail> From: "Tim" To: References: <199908020715.JAA02249@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> Subject: Re: Home made 256kb SAM expansion Date: Mon, 2 Aug 1999 18:41:04 +0100 Organization: Sad Snail Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 852 From: Frode Tenneboe > Thomas Harte wrote: > > Where can I get the necessary wiring information, and would it > > be any cheaper than the £12 Persona would charge? > I posted (I think) a recipie for this some years back. I can't find the > original post, though. I will take another look. I also seem to remeber > it being on the scrapbook.... It isn't, but I'd happily add it. Is it somewhere on nvg perhaps? ....@/ [ As an aside, anyone have any ideas why Outlook express 5 repeatedly ignores the setting that says to indent replies using if the message you are replying to is a reply in itself - I'm guessing to stop getting: > > > > > > blah lines when people repeatedly forward things, but when you reply it's nice to keep the flow. It doesn't seem to be covered in the help at all. ] From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 3 07:50:05 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id HAA22245 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:50:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id HAA10458 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:50:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49237-3217>; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:47:44 +0200 Received: from penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se ([IPv6:::ffff:194.237.142.110]:64985 "EHLO penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49228-3217>; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:47:30 +0200 Received: from edh3.edh.ericsson.se (edh3.edh.ericsson.se [193.180.212.12]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id HAA00833 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:47:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from asmal.edh.ericsson.se (asmal [193.180.212.34]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id HAA22088 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:47:28 +0200 (MET DST) From: Frode Tenneboe Received: by asmal.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1b+Sun/client-1.7) id HAA01770; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:47:27 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199908030547.HAA01770@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:47:27 +0200 (MET DST) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re[2]: Home made 256kb SAM expansion In-Reply-To: <000c01bedd28$f55e9780$1f65883e@sadsnail> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 950 "Tim" wrote: > From: Frode Tenneboe > > Thomas Harte wrote: > > > Where can I get the necessary wiring information, and would it > > > be any cheaper than the £12 Persona would charge? > > I posted (I think) a recipie for this some years back. I can't find the > > original post, though. I will take another look. I also seem to remeber > > it being on the scrapbook.... > > It isn't, but I'd happily add it. > > Is it somewhere on nvg perhaps? Then it might have been on the early SAM Information Server Colin used to run. Colin? I can't seem to find it elsewhere.... -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: ft@edh.ericsson.se ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. | Isebakkeveien 49 | | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | N-1788 Halden | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 3 09:05:04 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA27264 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:05:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id JAA07148 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 09:05:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49276-3217>; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:58:43 +0200 Received: from tea.uk.pw.com ([IPv6:::ffff:193.131.169.130]:36566 "HELO tea.uk.pw.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49237-3217> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 08:58:34 +0200 Received: by tea.uk.pw.com; id HAA01004; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 07:56:28 +0100 From: Received: from olive.uk.pw.com(10.44.240.46) by tea.uk.pw.com via smap (4.1) id xma000605; Tue, 3 Aug 99 07:56:12 +0100 Received: from intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com by olive.uk.pw.com (PMDF V5.1-12 #U3018) with SMTP id <0FFV002JCN3BF6@olive.uk.pw.com> for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 02:56:21 -0400 (EDT) Received: by intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com(Lotus SMTP MTA v1.2 hotfix6 (702.3 8-27-1998)) id 802567C2.0025C8C4 ; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 07:52:42 +0100 Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 08:56:37 +0200 Subject: Re: Any one got a Comet (the assembler) manual or To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Message-id: <802567C2.0025AC37.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> MIME-version: 1.0 Content-disposition: inline Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT X-Lotus-FromDomain: C&L NL@C&L INT@INTL X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1007 Lars wrote: >Some kind of short manual. I have n't used for many years now so I'm a >little rusty and I have a lot of unfinished projects to finish of the the >Coupé. And also, if any one is intressed in helping me finish up a vertical >Shoot em up for the Coupe I would really appriciate it. (Like designing >alien pattern, levels , sound fx etc) Very basic: Use symbolshift C to get the command line prompt. G enter, will take you to the menu screen. On the command line you can also use: L - load source S - save source O - save object code (although you have to enter ALL parameters) A - assemble M - merge In the editor you can use F1 and F4 to page up and down. F7 takes you to the top of the source, F0 takes you to the bottom of the source. F3 inserts a line (I think...) And that's all I can remember off the top of my head. Maybe Edwin Blink could email you a copy of the text file.... (oops, you wouldn't want to be breaking copyright on leading edge technology though would you!) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 3 12:13:00 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA08815 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:12:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA10584 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:12:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49329-3217>; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:11:55 +0200 Received: from nemesis.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.86]:6406 "EHLO nemesis.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49316-3217>; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:11:42 +0200 Received: from [195.8.81.86] (helo=trout) by nemesis.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 11BbXo-0000Lv-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:11:40 +0100 Message-ID: <000a01bedd98$9fc35a20$020a0a64@trout> From: "Colin Piggot" To: Subject: Re: Re[2]: Home made 256kb SAM expansion Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:11:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 738 > Then it might have been on the early SAM Information Server Colin used > to run. Colin? I can't seem to find it elsewhere.... > > -Frode Crieky! That's going back 4 to 5 years since I had that information server running for telnet! Unfortunately, the schematics or that for the 256k expansion weren't on it. Colin P. +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | | quazar@clara.net | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | QUAZAR: Hardware and | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | Software for the Sam | | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 3 12:54:56 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA11394 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:54:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA28116 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:54:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49329-3217>; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:53:55 +0200 Received: from f11.hotmail.com ([IPv6:::ffff:207.82.250.22]:35081 "HELO hotmail.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49325-3217>; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:53:46 +0200 Received: (qmail 83290 invoked by uid 0); 3 Aug 1999 10:53:34 -0000 Message-ID: <19990803105334.83289.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.176.122.143 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 03:53:33 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.176.122.143] From: "Lars Persson" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Any one gotg a Comet (the assembler) manual or Date: Tue, 03 Aug 1999 03:53:33 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 36 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed" Content-Length: 906 Thanx Stefan.. That was all I need. Och I'm impressed that my 5 year old disks still holds together. /Lars >Very basic: >Use symbolshift C to get the command line prompt. G enter, will take you >to the menu screen. > >On the command line you can also use: > >L - load source >S - save source >O - save object code (although you have to enter ALL parameters) >A - assemble >M - merge > >In the editor you can use F1 and F4 to page up and down. F7 takes you to >the top of the source, F0 takes you to the bottom of the source. > >F3 inserts a line (I think...) > >And that's all I can remember off the top of my head. > >Maybe Edwin Blink could email you a copy of the text file.... (oops, you >wouldn't want to be breaking copyright on leading edge technology >though would you!) > > > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 3 13:05:20 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA12174 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:05:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA02582 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:05:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49360-3217>; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:03:15 +0200 Received: from runix.runit.sintef.no ([IPv6:::ffff:129.241.1.5]:32275 "EHLO runix.runit.sintef.no" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49344-3217>; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:03:03 +0200 Received: from penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.110]) by runix.runit.sintef.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id NAA21999 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:03:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from edh3.edh.ericsson.se (edh3.edh.ericsson.se [193.180.212.12]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA12169 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:59:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from asmal.edh.ericsson.se (asmal [193.180.212.34]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA11659 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:59:35 +0200 (MET DST) From: Frode Tenneboe Received: by asmal.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1b+Sun/client-1.7) id MAA03513; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:59:35 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199908031059.MAA03513@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 12:59:34 +0200 (MET DST) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re[4]: Home made 256kb SAM expansion In-Reply-To: <000a01bedd98$9fc35a20$020a0a64@trout> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 778 "Colin Piggot" wrote: > > Then it might have been on the early SAM Information Server Colin > used > > to run. Colin? I can't seem to find it elsewhere.... > > > > -Frode > > Crieky! That's going back 4 to 5 years since I had that information > server > running for telnet! > Yeah - 5 years. That's a loooong time ago. Those were the days... > Unfortunately, the schematics or that for the 256k expansion weren't > on it. > Rats - so where did I put it???? -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: ft@edh.ericsson.se ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. | Isebakkeveien 49 | | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | N-1788 Halden | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 3 13:23:56 1999 Received: from condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.25]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA13258 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:23:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA29262 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:23:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49325-3217>; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:18:35 +0200 Received: from black-sun.demon.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:212.228.147.62]:6916 "HELO black-sun.demon.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49329-3217>; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 13:18:14 +0200 Received: from black-sun ([127.0.0.1]) by black-sun.demon.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.0.0.990) id BLCK30111524C for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 11:28:38 +0100 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 11:28:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Any one got a Comet (the assembler) manual or Message-ID: In-reply-to: <802567C2.0025AC37.00@intleursmtp10.uk.pw.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 352 > Maybe Edwin Blink could email you a copy of the text file.... (oops, you > wouldn't want to be breaking copyright on leading edge technology > though would you!) That's okay, he wouldn't be ;) Paul -- Just because the guy is a fuckwit there's no reason to insult him like that. Insult him like this instead... -- Paul L. Allen in demon.service From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 3 19:56:47 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id TAA06023 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:56:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id TAA04694 for ; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:56:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49564-3217>; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:54:41 +0200 Received: from monsoon.mail.pipex.net ([IPv6:::ffff:158.43.128.69]:29628 "HELO monsoon.mail.pipex.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49568-3217>; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 19:54:28 +0200 Received: (qmail 2683 invoked from network); 3 Aug 1999 17:54:26 -0000 Received: from useral80.uk.uudial.com (HELO sadsnail) (62.188.134.153) by smtp.dial.pipex.com with SMTP; 3 Aug 1999 17:54:26 -0000 Message-ID: <001b01beddd9$373deec0$9986bc3e@sadsnail> From: "Tim" To: References: <199908031059.MAA03513@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> Subject: Re: Re[4]: Home made 256kb SAM expansion Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 18:54:19 +0100 Organization: Sad Snail Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 486 "Colin Piggot" wrote: > > Then it might have been on the early SAM Information Server Colin > used > > to run. Colin? I can't seem to find it elsewhere.... > > > > -Frode > > Crieky! That's going back 4 to 5 years since I had that information > server > running for telnet! > Tell me more! I never knew there was a telnet info server. I think I got on this list in the middle of 1994, can't ever remember a mention. (was it ever mentioned in any mags?) ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 00:13:51 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA20394 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:13:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA14746 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:13:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49622-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:09:15 +0200 Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.22]:4126 "EHLO mail9.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49612-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:09:04 +0200 Received: from modem-28.nitrogen.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.3.28] helo=default) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Bmk1-0005Sw-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:09:02 +0100 Message-ID: <000e01beddfc$df853a20$1c03883e@default> From: "michael sleight" To: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:09:33 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_000B_01BEDE05.3FC91CA0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 26 Content-Length: 712 ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BEDE05.3FC91CA0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 10 subscribe ------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BEDE05.3FC91CA0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 332
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------=_NextPart_000_000B_01BEDE05.3FC91CA0-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 00:35:25 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA21764 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:35:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA19791 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:35:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49622-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:34:04 +0200 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.20]:15633 "EHLO tele-post-20.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49611-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:33:54 +0200 Received: from twilighte.demon.co.uk ([193.237.162.10] helo=pre-installedco) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Bn7u-0005aQ-0K for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 3 Aug 1999 22:33:43 +0000 Message-ID: <004801bede00$63f4b3a0$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> From: "Jonathan Bristow" To: Subject: Re: Date: Tue, 3 Aug 1999 23:34:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0045_01BEDE08.C3447220" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 56 Content-Length: 1728 ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BEDE08.C3447220 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 273 Interesting, is this another newsgroup thatspeeks in single words? -----Original Message----- From: michael sleight To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 03 August 1999 23:18 =20 =20 subscribe ------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BEDE08.C3447220 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 1083
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------=_NextPart_000_0045_01BEDE08.C3447220-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 03:11:57 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id DAA01316 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 03:11:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id DAA24226 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 03:11:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <56550-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:46:18 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:7207 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49963-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 02:29:32 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-1-157.cvx5.telinco.net [212.1.149.157]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E416E63A0D for ; Tue, 03 Aug 1999 20:29:19 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37A7895E.87323EF7@bonbon.net> Date: Wed, 04 Aug 1999 01:29:18 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: References: <004801bede00$63f4b3a0$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 360 >Interesting, is this another newsgroup thatspeeks in single words? yes. > -----Original Message----- > From: michael sleight > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Date: 03 August 1999 23:18 > > subscribe -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 07:43:40 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id HAA16740 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:43:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id HAA19251 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:43:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49171-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:38:29 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:3078 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49157-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 07:38:08 +0200 Received: from man-ppp-a154.networksplus.net ([198.243.69.154]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 00:39:10 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no, josh@aardsters.com Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 01:42:47 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Announcement X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990804053823Z49157-3217+312@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 971 Friends, old and new - I forgive the mass mailed aspect of this message, but to write to each of you individually would be a highly time consuming affair, and there are bound to be people who I've forgotten to mail, and my time is going to be in part taken with making sure I remember these. So, here is the announcement. Myself, James Curry and Terri Huddleston have just married in Morehead, Kentucky. This announcement is slightly delayed, as we have been on the road driving over 1,000 miles to Manhattan, Kansas and I've had to arrange email access once we arrived. We're here together and happy. :) :) As for where we're going in the future? I can't say, because I don't know! In the meantime, you can reach me at any of my usual email address. The best to use is James@curry.com. (Note: this is attempt 2 to send to these two addresses due to my ineptness at typing. ;) ) -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 10:23:03 1999 Received: from condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.25]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA26367 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:23:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA14066 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:23:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49341-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:16:20 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:40204 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49342-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:16:07 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:23:18 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851BF5@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Announcement Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:23:15 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 43 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 1460 Oooh... Wow... Congrats... I remember you as a lad in the James Went building at DMU during my days of collecting people's student union card numbers... Ahhh.. The young grow up so quickly... :) Seriously, I wish you both the best. Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: James R Curry [SMTP:James@curry.com] > Sent: Wednesday, August 04, 1999 2:43 AM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; josh@aardsters.com > Subject: Announcement > > Friends, old and new - > > I forgive the mass mailed aspect of this message, but to write to > each of you individually would be a highly time consuming affair, and > there are bound to be people who I've forgotten to mail, and my time > is going to be in part taken with making sure I remember these. > > So, here is the announcement. > > Myself, James Curry and Terri Huddleston have just married in > Morehead, Kentucky. This announcement is slightly delayed, as we > have been on the road driving over 1,000 miles to Manhattan, Kansas > and I've had to arrange email access once we arrived. > > We're here together and happy. :) :) > > As for where we're going in the future? I can't say, because I don't > know! In the meantime, you can reach me at any of my usual email > address. The best to use is James@curry.com. > > (Note: this is attempt 2 to send to these two addresses due to my > ineptness at typing. ;) ) > -- > James R Curry - James@curry.com > > "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 12:19:15 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA03504 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:19:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA25342 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:19:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49300-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:16:25 +0200 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.121.12]:54410 "EHLO harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49341-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:16:05 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip147.seattle14.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.97.147]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA03375 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 03:16:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000901bede62$6c9c5aa0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <19990804053823Z49157-3217+312@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Subject: Re: Announcement Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 03:16:30 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 435 From: James R Curry > Myself, James Curry and Terri Huddleston have just married in > Morehead, Kentucky. This announcement is slightly delayed, as we > have been on the road driving over 1,000 miles to Manhattan, Kansas > and I've had to arrange email access once we arrived. > > We're here together and happy. :) :) Oh way cool! Congratulations! I didn't know you were in the US as well :) Take care, Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 12:54:16 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA05703 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:54:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA09747 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:53:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49300-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:48:25 +0200 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.41]:3085 "EHLO finch-post-12.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49331-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 12:48:13 +0200 Received: from tissoft.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.177] helo=postoffice.tissoft.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Byac-000HzS-0C for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 10:48:07 +0000 Received: from tistemp3 by postoffice.tissoft.co.uk (8.9.1) id LAA10397; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:29:45 +0100 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <00d901bede64$43a2ef40$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: Announcement Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 11:29:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 550 From: Simon Cooke >From: James R Curry >> Myself, James Curry and Terri Huddleston have just married in >> Morehead, Kentucky. This announcement is slightly delayed, as we >> have been on the road driving over 1,000 miles to Manhattan, Kansas >> and I've had to arrange email access once we arrived. >> >> We're here together and happy. :) :) > >Oh way cool! Congratulations! Oh dear, Si's beginning to pick up Americanisms... does anyone know of a way to uncorrupt him, or is it too late? Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 15:59:49 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id PAA16619 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:59:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id PAA07643 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:59:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49448-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:57:50 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:58891 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49447-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:57:36 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:04:02 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851BF8@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Music Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:03:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 26 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 894 Persona sell SAM Sequencer 3. It's a very good buy. Unfortunately, it's a little slow.. :( Especially when you're trying to actually edit notes. Then again, what do you expect on a 6MHz machine??? I did start thinking about doing a Tracker-style MIDI composer for the SAM, but, judging by the success rate of me actually completing projects, I doubt it will come out any time soon. (Anyone still waiting for MIDI-Bar?) Oh, and it takes about 40 minutes to convert a SMF to SAM Seq files. :( That's a point, I did start on a C version for prodos which would then be easily ported to native SAM. I wonder how far I got... Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Matt Wales [SMTP:mwales@tesco.net] > Sent: Sunday, August 01, 1999 12:25 AM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Music > > Does anyone know where I can get any midi music editing software for the > SAM > coupe? > > Matt From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 18:29:05 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA25370 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:29:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA22449 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:29:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49684-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:04:53 +0200 Received: from black-sun.demon.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:212.228.147.62]:8196 "HELO black-sun.demon.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49692-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:04:18 +0200 Received: from black-sun ([127.0.0.1]) by black-sun.demon.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.0.0.990) id BLCK303915737 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:22:10 +0100 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:22:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Message-ID: In-reply-to: <004801bede00$63f4b3a0$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 436 > Interesting, is this another newsgroup thatspeeks in single words? Nope, although it is one that prefers not to have stuff sent in MIME/HTML (or quoted-printable for that matter) :) Have a poke around your mail client, there should be a "send plain text" option somewhere. Paul -- The INTJ's Prayer: Lord keep me open to others' ideas, WRONG though they may be. -- quoted by Kevin Scaldeferri in sci.physics, 10th July 1998. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 18:29:20 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA25367 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:29:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA22442 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:29:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49693-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:04:51 +0200 Received: from black-sun.demon.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:212.228.147.62]:8964 "HELO black-sun.demon.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49684-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:04:15 +0200 Received: from black-sun ([127.0.0.1]) by black-sun.demon.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.0.0.990) id BLCK303915739 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 04 Aug 1999 15:22:12 +0100 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:22:08 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Announcement Message-ID: In-reply-to: <19990804053823Z49157-3217+312@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 421 > Myself, James Curry and Terri Huddleston have just married in > Morehead, Kentucky. This announcement is slightly delayed, as we So all three of you got married? :-) Seriously, congratulations. Have a nice life and all that. ;) Paul -- The difference between men and women: Women like cats. Men _say_ they like cats, but when women aren't looking, men kick cats. -- Richard P. Grant on uk.media.tv.sf.babylon5 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 19:00:36 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id TAA27474 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:00:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id TAA04978 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 19:00:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49713-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:36:18 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:23824 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49704-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 18:35:56 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA14614 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:35:54 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id RAA02086 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:35:47 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:35:46 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Announcement Message-ID: <19990804173546.A1108@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <19990804053823Z49157-3217+312@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Paul Walker on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 03:22:08PM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 135 On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 03:22:08PM +0100, Paul Walker wrote: > So all three of you got married? :-) Darn, you stole my line. (-: imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 22:54:41 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA10367 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:54:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA17953 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:54:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49692-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:47:58 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:47370 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49435-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:47:54 +0200 Received: from man-ppp-a161.networksplus.net ([198.243.69.161]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:49:18 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:51:36 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Announcement In-reply-to: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851BF5@mailhost.aculab.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990804204755Z49435-3217+377@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 707 From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Announcement Date sent: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 09:23:15 +0100 Send reply to: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Oooh... Wow... Congrats... > > I remember you as a lad in the James Went building at DMU during my days > of collecting people's student union card numbers... > > Ahhh.. The young grow up so quickly... :) > > Seriously, I wish you both the best. > > Justin. I was usually half-asleep, covered with rain, dis-organized and looked like the average Dr Who fan. I probably still do. -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 22:54:41 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA10370 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:54:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA17957 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:54:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49435-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:47:59 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:48138 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49678-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:47:55 +0200 Received: from man-ppp-a161.networksplus.net ([198.243.69.161]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:49:21 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:51:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Announcement In-reply-to: <000901bede62$6c9c5aa0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990804204756Z49678-3217+379@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 404 > Oh way cool! Congratulations! > > I didn't know you were in the US as well :) The SAM Coupe project was actually a secret plot to remove all the countries elite, one by one, and bring them to a better life across the ocean. Seriously though, congratulations on your new job, too. Where did you say that you are based, now? -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 22:54:41 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA10373 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:54:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA17966 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:54:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49693-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:48:18 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:48906 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49686-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:47:57 +0200 Received: from man-ppp-a161.networksplus.net ([198.243.69.161]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:49:23 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:51:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Announcement In-reply-to: <00d901bede64$43a2ef40$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990804204811Z49686-3217+380@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 232 > Oh dear, Si's beginning to pick up Americanisms... does anyone know of a way to > uncorrupt him, or is it too late? > We'll soon have you all in our power! -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 22:54:42 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA10383 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:54:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA17974 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:54:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49686-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:48:27 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:50442 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49678-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:48:02 +0200 Received: from man-ppp-a161.networksplus.net ([198.243.69.161]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:49:26 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 16:51:37 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Announcement In-reply-to: References: <19990804053823Z49157-3217+312@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990804204817Z49678-3217+381@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 786 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date sent: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 15:22:08 +0100 Subject: Re: Announcement Send reply to: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > > Myself, James Curry and Terri Huddleston have just married in > > Morehead, Kentucky. This announcement is slightly delayed, as we > > So all three of you got married? :-) > > Seriously, congratulations. Have a nice life and all that. ;) I dread thinking that I might do something as unimaginitive as replying to several messages verbatim and to simply tag the word 'thanks' to the end, but I appear to be running out of imagination. Thanks, Paul. :) -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 23:07:45 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA11233 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:07:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA21705 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:07:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49682-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:00:39 +0200 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.120.22]:34708 "EHLO hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49678-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:00:16 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip248.seattle14.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.97.248]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA03636 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:00:06 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001701bedebc$679839c0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <00d901bede64$43a2ef40$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Subject: Re: Announcement Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:00:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 379 From: Nick Humphries > >> We're here together and happy. :) :) > > > >Oh way cool! Congratulations! > > > Oh dear, Si's beginning to pick up Americanisms... does anyone know of a way to > uncorrupt him, or is it too late? Way too late... I was using phrases like "oh, way cool!" about 8 years ago, before I ever even thought of leaving the country ;) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 23:07:45 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA11236 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:07:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA21710 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:07:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49692-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:01:38 +0200 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.120.22]:1946 "EHLO hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49678-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:01:22 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip248.seattle14.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.97.248]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA05258 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:01:18 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002601bedebc$92394fc0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <19990804204756Z49678-3217+379@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Subject: Re: Announcement Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:01:34 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 508 From: James R Curry > > I didn't know you were in the US as well :) > > The SAM Coupe project was actually a secret plot to remove all the > countries elite, one by one, and bring them to a better life across > the ocean. *lols* > Seriously though, congratulations on your new job, too. Where did > you say that you are based, now? Still in Seattle... which is cool. It's like Manchester, but with more trees, hills and lakes :) (and unfortunately, no hardcore techno danceclubs) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 23:07:46 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA11240 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:07:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA21715 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:07:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49686-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:01:59 +0200 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.120.22]:46491 "EHLO hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49678-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:01:40 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip248.seattle14.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.97.248]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id OAA05874 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:01:36 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002701bedebc$9d388ee0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <19990804204811Z49686-3217+380@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Subject: Re: Announcement Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 14:02:07 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 259 From: James R Curry > > Oh dear, Si's beginning to pick up Americanisms... does anyone know of a way to > > uncorrupt him, or is it too late? > > > > We'll soon have you all in our power! Oh, and by the way folks, it's Americanizms :) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 23:21:57 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA12107 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:21:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA25967 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:21:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49696-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:10:59 +0200 Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com ([IPv6:::ffff:198.81.17.66]:19987 "EHLO imo22.mx.aol.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49693-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:10:39 +0200 Received: from PGLOVER43@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id jNZQa06600 (14434) for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:09:59 -0400 (EDT) From: PGLOVER43@aol.com Message-ID: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 17:09:59 EDT Subject: Re: Announcement To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL 4.0.i for Windows 95 sub 135 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 213 Congratulations and best wishes to James and Terri. I wish you well for the future. Nice to have some good news once in a while! If you ever consider starting a family, Sam is a wonderful name... Phil Glover. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 4 23:46:15 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA13574 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:46:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA01995 for ; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:46:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49724-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:40:40 +0200 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.39]:15623 "EHLO finch-post-11.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49719-3217>; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 23:40:28 +0200 Received: from twilighte.demon.co.uk ([193.237.162.10] helo=pre-installedco) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11C8lv-0001VM-0B for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 4 Aug 1999 21:40:27 +0000 Message-ID: <003a01bedec2$1d90c080$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> From: "Jonathan Bristow" To: Subject: Re: Date: Wed, 4 Aug 1999 22:41:29 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 848 Status: RO X-Lines: 32 -----Original Message----- From: Paul Walker To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 04 August 1999 17:34 Subject: Re: > Interesting, is this another newsgroup thatspeeks in single words? Nope, although it is one that prefers not to have stuff sent in MIME/HTML (or quoted-printable for that matter) :) Have a poke around your mail client, there should be a "send plain text" option somewhere. Paul -- The INTJ's Prayer: Lord keep me open to others' ideas, WRONG though they may be. -- quoted by Kevin Scaldeferri in sci.physics, 10th July 1998. Hmmm, strange... my settings say that i am sending it out as Plain Text! Also, although i have set any replies to be indented with >, none are!!! Damned annoying, maybe somehow Outlook Express has got corrupted along the way! Respect Twilighte From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 03:38:42 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id DAA27327 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 03:38:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id DAA27825 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 03:38:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49676-3217>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 03:37:29 +0200 Received: from trolly.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.166]:45236 "EHLO trolley.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49696-3217>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 03:37:17 +0200 Received: from [62.172.23.209] (helo=default) by trolley.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11CCT1-0007ZZ-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:37:11 +0100 Message-ID: <001701bedf26$2c4dcc80$d117ac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Sim Coupe Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:36:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 76 Does anyone one on here use the Simcoupe, If so, then I have questions. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 10:08:31 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA20453 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:08:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA29679 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:08:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49257-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:01:17 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:52671 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49487-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:00:52 +0200 Received: from [62.172.23.128] (helo=physics.org) by aisle.tesco.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11CISI-0000lD-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:00:51 +0100 Message-ID: <37A9443D.BF793B56@physics.org> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 08:58:54 +0100 From: Diggory Gray X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Announcement References: <19990804053823Z49157-3217+312@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 757 Hello James, Long time no contact Congratulations! Hope all is well > "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" I expect they did One of my reasons for not writing about new projects is that my SAM has been "off-line" for sometime, ever since I accidentally wired the SCART to +400V :( Thankfully it only blew the Motorola sync chip Got a Bondi Blue now anyway... Diggory -- /\ /\ / \ / \ / \___/ \ | | | . . | | Y | \ \_^_/ / \ / / \ / \ / \ | | Y | | | | | | | | | ^ | \__ \__(...)_(...)___ \ \ | _____/ | / ______/ \/ Thomas meowcat From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 10:51:20 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA23284 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:51:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA19074 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:51:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49523-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:47:33 +0200 Received: from runix.runit.sintef.no ([IPv6:::ffff:129.241.1.5]:15887 "EHLO runix.runit.sintef.no" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49519-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:46:53 +0200 Received: from hotmail.com (f59.hotmail.com [207.82.251.193]) by runix.runit.sintef.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id JAA11289 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:09:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: (qmail 50436 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 1999 07:08:56 -0000 Message-ID: <19990805070856.50435.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.176.122.143 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 00:08:56 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.176.122.143] From: "Lars Persson" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sim Coupe Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 00:08:56 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed" Content-Length: 455 My Sam is broke, so I have to Use the SimCoupe for my COuping.. /Lars >From: "Robert Wilkinson" >Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >To: "Sam Usergroup" >Subject: Sim Coupe >Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 02:36:22 -0700 > >Does anyone one on here use the Simcoupe, > >If so, then I have questions. > > > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 10:51:35 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA23283 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:51:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA19055 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:51:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49621-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:47:06 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:16143 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49468-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:46:49 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:54:02 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851BFB@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Announcement Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 09:53:54 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 375 > From: James R Curry [SMTP:James@curry.com] >> I remember you as a lad in the James Went building at DMU during my days >> of collecting people's student union card numbers... > >I was usually half-asleep, covered with rain, dis-organized and >looked like the average Dr Who fan. That's true... :) >I probably still do. Heh. Dunno. Haven't seen you since! :( Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 11:02:53 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA24003 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:02:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA23495 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:01:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49527-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:55:24 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:41743 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49529-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:55:10 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:02:23 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851BFC@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Bondi Blue? Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:02:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 394 >One of my reasons for not writing about new projects is that my SAM has been >"off-line" for sometime, ever since I accidentally wired the SCART to +400V :( How on earth did you do that??? That reminds me, I still need to make my SCART cable. Got all the bits, just need to remember where I put the instructions.... >Got a Bondi Blue now anyway... What on earth is one of these? Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 11:13:29 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA24571 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:13:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA29252 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:12:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49494-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:07:38 +0200 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.70]:45263 "EHLO red.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49487-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:07:16 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11CJUX-0005Sp-00; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 10:07:13 +0100 Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:07:13 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Bondi Blue? In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851BFC@mailhost.aculab.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 22 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 594 On Thu, 5 Aug 1999, Justin Skists wrote: > >Got a Bondi Blue now anyway... > > What on earth is one of these? I'd guess he's talking about an Apple iMac. I'll never understand where they picked the name "Bondi Blue" - that colour is clearly green. BTW: are you sure you don't mean Blueberry? Unless it really is one of the dead-old 233MHz models... Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 13:02:07 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA01683 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:02:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA23429 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:02:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49472-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:59:32 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:4877 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49210-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:59:09 +0200 Received: from ppp-b165.networksplus.net ([199.240.135.165]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 06:00:18 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 07:03:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Announcement In-reply-to: <37A9443D.BF793B56@physics.org> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990805105924Z49210-344+24@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 845 Date sent: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 08:58:54 +0100 From: Diggory Gray To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Announcement Send reply to: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Hello James, > Long time no contact > > Congratulations! > Hope all is well Thanks, and it is. :) > > "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" > I expect they did > > One of my reasons for not writing about new projects is that my SAM has been > "off-line" for sometime, ever since I accidentally wired the SCART to +400V :( > Thankfully it only blew the Motorola sync chip Well, it's a little difficult to get to my OWN SAM, from here. I wonder how much it would cost to get a real SAM running in the USA.. Hey, Simon, we could sell them. ;) -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 13:02:07 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA01684 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:02:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA23448 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:02:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49210-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:59:40 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:5901 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49519-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:59:15 +0200 Received: from ppp-b165.networksplus.net ([199.240.135.165]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 06:00:22 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 07:03:59 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: Announcement In-reply-to: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851BFB@mailhost.aculab.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990805105924Z49519-344+26@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 360 > >I was usually half-asleep, covered with rain, dis-organized and > >looked like the average Dr Who fan. > > That's true... :) > > > >I probably still do. > > Heh. Dunno. Haven't seen you since! :( I think I'll organize a big SAM get-together over here and drive my wife nuts. ;) -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 13:02:07 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA01678 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:02:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA23419 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:02:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49487-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:59:30 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:6669 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49472-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:59:10 +0200 Received: from ppp-b165.networksplus.net ([199.240.135.165]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 06:00:26 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 07:04:00 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Announcement In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990805105924Z49472-344+25@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 379 > Congratulations and best wishes to James and Terri. I wish you well for the > future. > > Nice to have some good news once in a while! If you ever consider starting a > family, Sam is a wonderful name... > > Phil Glover. Hmm... ...nah, she'd never go for it. ;) *thinks* - Miles Gordon Curry? ;-) -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 13:38:14 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA03572 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:38:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA12295 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:38:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49627-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:23:00 +0200 Received: from firewall.armature.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.128.255.225]:50370 "EHLO cow.bacg.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49617-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:22:46 +0200 Received: by cow.bacg.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:14:52 +0100 Message-ID: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C20129886E@cow.bacg.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dan_Door=E9?= To: "'Sam Users Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Announcement Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:14:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2448.0) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 223 > ....nah, she'd never go for it. ;) > > *thinks* - Miles Gordon Curry? ;-) Do it! Do it! Do it! :-) OT: Something I found - An honourable mention of 'Horace goes Skiing' http://www.ntk.net/tvgohome/090799.html Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 13:38:26 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA03570 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:38:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA12282 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:38:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49619-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:18:19 +0200 Received: from fw-cam.cambridge.arm.com ([IPv6:::ffff:193.131.176.3]:18354 "HELO fw-cam.cambridge.arm.com" ident: "firewall-user") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49621-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:18:06 +0200 Received: by fw-cam.cambridge.arm.com; id MAA21868; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:18:04 +0100 Received: from pc203.cambridge.arm.com(172.16.3.203) by fw-cam.cambridge.arm.com via smap (3.2) id xma021849; Thu, 5 Aug 99 12:17:58 +0100 Received: from localhost (askillma@localhost) by pc203.cambridge.arm.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA03972 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:18:28 +0100 X-Authentication-Warning: pc203.cambridge.arm.com: askillma owned process doing -bs Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:18:27 +0100 (GMT) From: Allan Skillman To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Announcement In-Reply-To: <19990805105924Z49472-344+25@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 15 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 633 Hi All, Obviously its something in the Sam Community 'Water', I have just got back from my Honeymoon. Hence the lack of replies about SimCoupe latetly - sorry. Allan +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ | Allan Skillman | "There are five flavours of resons, the | | EDA Group | elementary particles of magic : up, down, | | ARM | sideways, sex-appeal and peppermint." | | allan.skillman@arm.com | - Terry Pratchett (Lords and Ladies) | +------------------------------+-------------------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 13:42:47 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA03940 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:42:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA14670 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:42:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49519-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:41:29 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:35599 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49527-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:41:18 +0200 Received: from ppp-b165.networksplus.net ([199.240.135.165]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 06:42:37 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 07:46:23 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Announcement References: <19990805105924Z49472-344+25@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990805114119Z49527-344+32@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 585 Date sent: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:18:27 +0100 (GMT) From: Allan Skillman To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Announcement Send reply to: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Hi All, > > Obviously its something in the Sam Community 'Water', I have just got back > from my Honeymoon. Hence the lack of replies about SimCoupe latetly - > sorry. > > Allan Let me be the first, and certainly not the last, to say "Congratulations!". Congratulations, Allan! -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 13:50:58 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA04574 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:50:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA18744 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:50:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49619-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:45:39 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:61962 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49487-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 13:45:20 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:52:27 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851BFE@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Announcement Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 12:52:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 13 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 456 >Let me be the first, and certainly not the last, to say >"Congratulations!". > >Congratulations, Allan! And I /don't/ remember you in the James Went building of DMU whilst collecting student union card numbers. Actually, why they wanted them, I still have no idea - but getting paid to sit in a computer lab playing with the internet wasn't to be sniffed at. I never did get around to kicking anyone out for eating or not having a card etc... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 17:50:49 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA18785 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:50:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA06052 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:49:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49288-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:35:57 +0200 Received: from web1103.mail.yahoo.com ([IPv6:::ffff:128.11.23.123]:35849 "HELO web601.yahoomail.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49736-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:35:43 +0200 Message-ID: <19990805153617.24375.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [212.54.221.4] by web1103.mail.yahoo.com; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 08:36:17 PDT Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:36:17 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?george=20boyle?= Subject: Re: Announcement To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 58 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 1562 Congrats on the wedding James. P.S Coule you at sometime if you are popping past Wetherby again pick up your Jupiter sign from the first/second NSSS. I'm at the mo working out in Faliraki Rhodes, Greece. I don't think I'll be home for a while though, been here 3 months and loving it too much. Anyway all the best --- James R Curry wrote: > Friends, old and new - > > I forgive the mass mailed aspect of this message, > but to write to > each of you individually would be a highly time > consuming affair, and > there are bound to be people who I've forgotten to > mail, and my time > is going to be in part taken with making sure I > remember these. > > So, here is the announcement. > > Myself, James Curry and Terri Huddleston have just > married in > Morehead, Kentucky. This announcement is slightly > delayed, as we > have been on the road driving over 1,000 miles to > Manhattan, Kansas > and I've had to arrange email access once we > arrived. > > We're here together and happy. :) :) > > As for where we're going in the future? I can't > say, because I don't > know! In the meantime, you can reach me at any of > my usual email > address. The best to use is James@curry.com. > > (Note: this is attempt 2 to send to these two > addresses due to my > ineptness at typing. ;) ) > -- > James R Curry - James@curry.com > > "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" > === George _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Free instant messaging and more at http://messenger.yahoo.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 19:17:58 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id TAA23487 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:17:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id TAA11824 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:17:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49746-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:14:35 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:21008 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49736-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:14:27 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA13863 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:14:24 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id SAA04863 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:14:20 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:14:20 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Message-ID: <19990805181419.G3470@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <003a01bedec2$1d90c080$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <003a01bedec2$1d90c080$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco>; from Jonathan Bristow on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 10:41:29PM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 361 On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 10:41:29PM +0100, Jonathan Bristow wrote: > Hmmm, strange... my settings say that i am sending it out as Plain Text! > Also, although i have set any replies to be indented with >, none are!!! > Damned annoying, maybe somehow Outlook Express has got corrupted along the > way! Not true: Outlook Express has always been corrupted... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 19:31:20 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id TAA24429 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:31:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id TAA16747 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:31:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49746-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:29:24 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:30960 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49736-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:29:13 +0200 Received: from [62.172.22.94] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11CRKF-0007WH-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:29:07 +0100 Message-ID: <000201bedfab$27f32380$5e16ac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Re. Does any one use Simcoupe Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:55:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 267 >From R Wilkinson Thank you Matt and Lars. My Simcoupe slows down when returning from using the GUI. Fix.. Type MODE1 (Not very practical sometimes) Also the comand line sometimes goes haywire. Fix..?? Do either of you suffer the same problem. Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 20:24:06 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA27222 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:24:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA04241 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:24:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49684-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:22:58 +0200 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.120.22]:18070 "EHLO hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49698-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:22:40 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip10.seattle13.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.69.10]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA15970 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:22:25 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003201bedf6f$89b8b4e0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: Subject: Phew... Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:22:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002F_01BEDF34.DC65B8E0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 37 Content-Length: 1100 ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BEDF34.DC65B8E0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 139 ... talk about Diaspora... the SAM Community seems to be undergoing some = strange mass exodus from the UK :) Oh, and Congrats Allan! Si ------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BEDF34.DC65B8E0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 590
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------=_NextPart_000_002F_01BEDF34.DC65B8E0-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 20:40:14 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA28219 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:40:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA09223 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:40:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49759-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:39:02 +0200 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.41]:12552 "EHLO finch-post-12.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49757-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:38:45 +0200 Received: from twilighte.demon.co.uk ([193.237.162.10] helo=pre-installedco) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11CSPb-00042W-0C for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:38:43 +0000 Message-ID: <000f01bedf71$e37d70e0$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> From: "Jonathan Bristow" To: Subject: Re: Music Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:39:43 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 618 Status: RO X-Lines: 23 From: Justin Skists :Persona sell SAM Sequencer 3. It's a very good buy. : :Unfortunately, it's a little slow.. :( Especially when you're trying to :actually edit notes. Then again, what do you expect on a 6MHz machine??? I don't understand the link!, the Commodore 64 (Eeek!, can i mention it here?) had great MIDI software for it, yet only ran at a daunting 1Mhtz, so how can one possibly say that 6 Mhz is not enough? I have even written (Although not completed) A midi Sequencer for the Oric! Another Question, is this right that portions of the RAM are constrained by speed of access? Respect Twilighte From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 20:40:29 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA28215 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:40:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA09219 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:40:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49756-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:33:19 +0200 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.38]:56335 "EHLO finch-post-10.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49754-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:33:00 +0200 Received: from twilighte.demon.co.uk ([193.237.162.10] helo=pre-installedco) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11CSK2-0000PD-0A for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:32:58 +0000 Message-ID: <000a01bedf71$15c3bb00$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> From: "Jonathan Bristow" To: Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:33:57 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 524 Status: RO X-Lines: 18 :On Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 10:41:29PM +0100, Jonathan Bristow wrote: :> Hmmm, strange... my settings say that i am sending it out as Plain Text! :> Also, although i have set any replies to be indented with >, none are!!! :> Damned annoying, maybe somehow Outlook Express has got corrupted along the :> way! : :Not true: Outlook Express has always been corrupted... : :imc So are there any fixes out their?, or must i change my e-mail program? (Which i really do not want to do, since i find it to be very well laid out) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 20:49:55 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA28634 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:49:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA12115 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:49:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49698-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:46:21 +0200 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.120.22]:12451 "EHLO hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49463-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:46:15 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip10.seattle13.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.69.10]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id LAA00235 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:46:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <006d01bedf72$d4a98da0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <000a01bedf71$15c3bb00$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> Subject: Re: Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:46:28 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 501 From: Jonathan Bristow > So are there any fixes out their?, or must i change my e-mail program? > (Which i really do not want to do, since i find it to be very well laid out) Yep... you can put sam-users in your address book as a contact, and in the properties for that contact, you can check the "send email as plain text only to this contact" box. Alternatively, you can change your defaults from HTML to Plain Text in the Options screen; it's on the Send tab. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 20:50:09 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA28631 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:49:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA12111 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:49:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49758-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:42:20 +0200 Received: from f33.hotmail.com ([IPv6:::ffff:207.82.250.44]:52491 "HELO hotmail.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49762-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:41:59 +0200 Received: (qmail 5330 invoked by uid 0); 5 Aug 1999 18:41:50 -0000 Message-ID: <19990805184150.5329.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 195.163.232.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:41:49 PDT X-Originating-IP: [195.163.232.7] From: "Lars Persson" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Re. Does any one use Simcoupe Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 11:41:49 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 31 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed" Content-Length: 855 I have n't used SimCoupe that much, but I can't run it from Windows 9x very well. Well it crashes. Have noticed so many other bad things with it. Ok the sound emulation could be on a real time basis so my Sample Editor would work properly. :-) /Lars >From: "Robert Wilkinson" >Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >To: "Sam Usergroup" >Subject: Re. Does any one use Simcoupe >Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:55:54 -0700 > >From R Wilkinson > >Thank you Matt and Lars. > >My Simcoupe slows down when returning from using the GUI. >Fix.. Type MODE1 (Not very practical sometimes) > >Also the comand line sometimes goes haywire. >Fix..?? > >Do either of you suffer the same problem. > >Bob Wilkinson. > ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 21:45:26 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA02077 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:45:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA29029 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:45:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49763-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:24:23 +0200 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.18]:17266 "EHLO mail1.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49758-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:24:11 +0200 Received: from modem-79.lithium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.1.79] helo=default) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11CT7V-0007Zv-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:24:05 +0100 Message-ID: <001301bedf13$a0236740$4f01883e@default> From: "michael sleight" To: Subject: subscribe Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 08:24:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0010_01BEDF1C.00B20E60" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 31 Content-Length: 815 ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BEDF1C.00B20E60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 29 subscribe from Mick Sleight ------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BEDF1C.00B20E60 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 416
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------=_NextPart_000_0010_01BEDF1C.00B20E60-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 21:45:26 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA02080 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:45:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA29032 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:45:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49698-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:44:15 +0200 Received: from trolly.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.166]:41936 "EHLO trolley.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49684-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:43:51 +0200 Received: from [62.172.21.246] (helo=default) by trolley.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11CTQb-00068k-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:43:49 +0100 Message-ID: <000101bedfbd$fa050ac0$f615ac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: For Sale Sambus Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:43:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 115 Anybody want to buy the Sambus plus a 1Mb ram expansion. Hardly used. £40.00 the pair plus p&p Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 22:09:50 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA03161 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:09:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA06633 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:09:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49736-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:06:26 +0200 Received: from ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.227.50.25]:21413 "HELO ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49698-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:06:09 +0200 Received: from yavanna.mcs.surrey.ac.uk by ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1-ident) id m11CTmA-0001cOC; Thu, 5 Aug 99 21:06 BST Received: from eep2ag by yavanna.mcs.surrey.ac.uk with local (Exim 0.57 #1) id 11CTm9-0002x3-00; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:06:05 +0100 Subject: Re: Music To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:06:05 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <000f01bedf71$e37d70e0$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> from "Jonathan Bristow" at Aug 5, 99 07:39:43 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 77 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 3455 > Another Question, is this right that portions of the RAM are constrained by > speed of access? > Yes, all of it is, but exactly how restricted it is depends on when you try to access it (accessing it when the ASIC is drawing the border is not as slow as when the ASIC is drawing the main part of the screen). Below is a very useful post that Ian sent a while ago, which should answer your question. -Andy ---------- Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:51:24 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SimCoupe interrupt timings On Sat, Apr 10, 1999 at 02:58:35PM +0100, Si Owen wrote: > LD r,r' says 8 t-states, but the docs I have say it's 7. JR c,e takes 8 > t-states if the condition is not met and 12 if it is, but the docs I have > say it's 7 and 13 respectively. etc. > Could someone explain the 4 t-state rounding? (machine cycles?) I could > understand it being rounded up, but the conditional relative jump is > slightly shorter. I've always done video effects with official timings, and > manual tweaks if necessary! For the moment, assume that the screen is turned off or it happens to be displaying the border. At this time, all accesses to main RAM are restricted by the ASIC to occur only on every fourth cycle. (This does not apply to external RAM or to ROM). The usual effect of this is to round instructions up to the next multiple of 4, because each instruction starts with an opcode fetch and thus has to wait until the next "fourth" cycle. So, for example, if INC HL is executed then it takes 6 cycles of its own plus 2 cycles waiting for the next instruction fetch for a total of 8 cycles. Some instructions involve more than one memory access. In these cases the instruction timing depends on when exactly the Z80 requests the memory access. In the simplest cases of LD A,n, LD HL,nn and so on the accesses follow on from each other and so the time taken is just four cycles for each access. However, for PUSH HL I believe it goes something like this opcode is fetched 4 cycles SP register is decremented 1 cycle Z80 must wait for the next access 3 cycles H is stored at (SP) 3 cycles SP is decremented in parallel with the store so no cycles Z80 must wait for the next access 1 cycle L is stored at (SP) 3 cycles Z80 must wait for the next instruction fetch 1 cycle making 16 cycles in total. As for the JR instruction, you remember wrongly. Docs state that JR takes 12 cycles if the jump is taken, and that is still true. For DJNZ docs state that it takes 13 cycles if the jump is taken, and Sam rounds that up to 16. The Sam never takes less time than the docs say. Now, if the screen is turned on then it is slightly more complicated. The screen is displayed for 256 of every 384 cycles on each line, for 192 of the 312 lines (though this is different in mode 1). During that time memory access is restricted to every eighth cycle, so most instructions take twice as long. INC HL still only takes 8 cycles, though, since it doesn't require memory access once the instruction has been fetched. On the other hand, if a program is running in ROM then the Z80 doesn't have to wait for instruction fetches, so it runs faster. It does have to wait for each instruction which accesses the RAM, however. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 22:44:23 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA05180 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:44:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA16799 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:44:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49698-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:44:01 +0200 Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.82]:35583 "EHLO praseodumium.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49748-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:43:45 +0200 Received: from [195.99.58.172] (helo=register) by praseodumium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11CUMP-0007AA-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:43:33 +0100 From: "Maria Rookyard" To: "SAM Users Mailing List" Subject: bye for now Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:35:11 +0100 Message-ID: <01bedf82$03d53700$LocalHost@register> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.71.1712.3 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.71.1712.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 140 I'm off down south to catch the eclipse, so I'm unsubbing for a while. Have fun folks and I'll probably rejoin at a later date. Maria. x From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 23:43:03 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA08549 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:43:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA05025 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:43:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49744-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:42:03 +0200 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.93]:54725 "EHLO rhenium.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49684-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:41:40 +0200 Received: from host5-99-57-13.btinternet.com ([195.99.57.13] helo=btinternet.com) by rhenium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11CVGb-0004SS-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:41:37 +0100 Message-ID: <37AA0339.831B3988@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 05 Aug 1999 22:33:45 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM Mailing List Subject: SIM Coupé & snapshot file formats Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 636 Hi, I picked up while flicking through some earlier posts that either : a) someone said a snapshot file format would be nice, or b) someone implemented a snapshot file format If this is b), from where can I get such a SIM Coupé & details of the snapshot file format? My aim is to be able to use a DOS based z80 assembler, write a quick raw z80 to SIM snapshot converter and try out my code quickly and without the tedium of copying the file to MS-DOS disk, taking that up to my SAM, loading KE-Disk etc. etc. Alternatively, what are opinions on the amount of time it would take to hack a snapshot loader into SIM? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 23:43:04 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA08552 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:43:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA05029 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:43:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49736-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:42:15 +0200 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.41]:42251 "EHLO finch-post-12.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49684-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:42:05 +0200 Received: from twilighte.demon.co.uk ([193.237.162.10] helo=pre-installedco) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11CVGw-000HGn-0C for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 21:41:58 +0000 Message-ID: <004301bedf8b$7ce0ad60$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> From: "Jonathan Bristow" To: Subject: Re: Music Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:42:57 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 4226 Status: RO X-Lines: 103 So in over all effect, is the SAM relatively faster than the Spectrum in operation? I realise their are more fundamental differences between the two machines and that the SAMs processor is said to run at twice the speed. I considered moving into Z80, since my 8 bit background concentrates on 6502 coding, which is far simpler (For Constant speeds and variety of instructions) but i am rather heavily put off by the speed restrictions noted! Like Driving a sports car all your life through Granny City!! Respect Twilighte -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Gale To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 05 August 1999 21:11 Subject: Re: Music :> Another Question, is this right that portions of the RAM are constrained by :> speed of access? :> : :Yes, all of it is, but exactly how restricted it is depends on when :you try to access it (accessing it when the ASIC is drawing the :border is not as slow as when the ASIC is drawing the main part :of the screen). : :Below is a very useful post that Ian sent a while ago, which should :answer your question. : :-Andy : :---------- : : :Date: Mon, 12 Apr 1999 17:51:24 +0100 :From: Ian Collier :To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no :Subject: Re: SimCoupe interrupt timings : :On Sat, Apr 10, 1999 at 02:58:35PM +0100, Si Owen wrote: :> LD r,r' says 8 t-states, but the docs I have say it's 7. JR c,e takes 8 :> t-states if the condition is not met and 12 if it is, but the docs I have :> say it's 7 and 13 respectively. etc. : :> Could someone explain the 4 t-state rounding? (machine cycles?) I could :> understand it being rounded up, but the conditional relative jump is :> slightly shorter. I've always done video effects with official timings, and :> manual tweaks if necessary! : :For the moment, assume that the screen is turned off or it happens to :be displaying the border. At this time, all accesses to main RAM are :restricted by the ASIC to occur only on every fourth cycle. (This does :not apply to external RAM or to ROM). The usual effect of this is to round :instructions up to the next multiple of 4, because each instruction starts :with an opcode fetch and thus has to wait until the next "fourth" cycle. : :So, for example, if INC HL is executed then it takes 6 cycles of its own :plus 2 cycles waiting for the next instruction fetch for a total of 8 cycles. : :Some instructions involve more than one memory access. In these cases :the instruction timing depends on when exactly the Z80 requests the memory :access. In the simplest cases of LD A,n, LD HL,nn and so on the accesses :follow on from each other and so the time taken is just four cycles for each :access. However, for PUSH HL I believe it goes something like this : : opcode is fetched 4 cycles : SP register is decremented 1 cycle : Z80 must wait for the next access 3 cycles : H is stored at (SP) 3 cycles : SP is decremented in parallel with the store so no cycles : Z80 must wait for the next access 1 cycle : L is stored at (SP) 3 cycles : Z80 must wait for the next instruction fetch 1 cycle : :making 16 cycles in total. : :As for the JR instruction, you remember wrongly. Docs state that JR :takes 12 cycles if the jump is taken, and that is still true. For DJNZ :docs state that it takes 13 cycles if the jump is taken, and Sam rounds :that up to 16. The Sam never takes less time than the docs say. : :Now, if the screen is turned on then it is slightly more complicated. The :screen is displayed for 256 of every 384 cycles on each line, for 192 of :the 312 lines (though this is different in mode 1). During that time :memory access is restricted to every eighth cycle, so most instructions :take twice as long. INC HL still only takes 8 cycles, though, since it :doesn't require memory access once the instruction has been fetched. : :On the other hand, if a program is running in ROM then the Z80 doesn't have :to wait for instruction fetches, so it runs faster. It does have to wait :for each instruction which accesses the RAM, however. : :imc : From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 5 23:59:59 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA09313 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:59:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA10191 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:59:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49744-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:56:25 +0200 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.18]:30059 "EHLO mail1.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49684-344>; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:56:09 +0200 Received: from modem-50.ruthenium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.21.178] helo=default) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11CVUd-0004xk-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 22:56:08 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01bedf28$dd525940$b215883e@default> From: "michael sleight" To: "sam user" Subject: Hello Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 10:56:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 92 Hello to all - from new member of your group. Mick Sleight ps Does anyone remember SUUG? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 6 00:08:05 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA09936 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:08:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA12542 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:08:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49684-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:06:58 +0200 Received: from black-sun.demon.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:212.228.147.62]:6148 "HELO black-sun.demon.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49435-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:06:38 +0200 Received: from black-sun ([127.0.0.1]) by black-sun.demon.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.0.0.990) id BLCK306815CD9 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 20:42:10 +0100 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:42:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Message-ID: In-reply-to: <19990805181419.G3470@comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <003a01bedec2$1d90c080$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco>; from Jonathan Bristow on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 10:41:29PM +0100 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 531 > Not true: Outlook Express has always been corrupted... In some ways, it's quite nice. In others, it needs a good kicking. (For example - the fact that you can't tell it to put the .signature after the message body by default.) Having said that, it doesn't have all the memory leaks that Pegasus does. been using Pegasus for 30 minutes now, and I'm down to 49% system resources. Lovely. Paul -- Mustrum Ridcully did a lot for rare species. For one thing, he kept them rare. -- Terry Pratchett, Lords and Ladies From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 6 00:08:05 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA09939 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:08:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA12549 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:08:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49435-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:07:06 +0200 Received: from black-sun.demon.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:212.228.147.62]:6148 "HELO black-sun.demon.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49744-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:06:44 +0200 Received: from black-sun ([127.0.0.1]) by black-sun.demon.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.0.0.990) id BLCK306815CDF for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 20:42:11 +0100 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:42:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Announcement Message-ID: In-reply-to: <002601bedebc$92394fc0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 487 > > The SAM Coupe project was actually a secret plot to remove all the > > countries elite, one by one, and bring them to a better life across > > the ocean. > *lols* Hey, if I can persuade ST Micro to send me out there sometime... ;) > Still in Seattle... which is cool. It's like Manchester, but with more > trees, hills and lakes :) Isn't Seattle the one that rains a lot? Paul -- You can't second-guess ineffability, I always say. -- Terry Pratchett & Neil Gaiman, Good Omens From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 6 00:08:19 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA09933 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:08:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA12532 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:08:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49748-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:06:57 +0200 Received: from black-sun.demon.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:212.228.147.62]:5636 "HELO black-sun.demon.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49684-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:06:40 +0200 Received: from black-sun ([127.0.0.1]) by black-sun.demon.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.0.0.990) id BLCK306815CDC for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 05 Aug 1999 20:42:11 +0100 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 20:42:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Message-ID: In-reply-to: <000a01bedf71$15c3bb00$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 484 > So are there any fixes out their?, or must i change my e-mail program? > (Which i really do not want to do, since i find it to be very well laid out) Fixed now, it was only the first that came in HTML form. Probably 'cause you were answering one which was in that format - some mail programs are 'intelligent' like that ;) Paul -- I'd offer to change your mind for you, but I don't have a fresh diaper. -- Leah to pro-spammer in news.admin.net-abuse.email From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 6 00:20:59 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA10795 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:20:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA16652 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:20:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49435-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:16:27 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:22145 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49684-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:16:05 +0200 Received: from [212.140.65.195] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11CVns-0003Q4-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:16:02 +0100 Message-ID: <000501bedfd3$3e5f9ea0$c3418cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Hello Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:15:27 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 303 Hello Mick I Remember SUUG. Bob -----Original Message----- From: michael sleight To: sam user Date: 05 August 1999 15:01 Subject: Hello >Hello to all - from new member of your group. > >Mick Sleight > >ps Does anyone remember SUUG? > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 6 00:46:11 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA12267 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:46:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA23808 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:46:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49753-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:43:41 +0200 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.212]:16954 "EHLO mail6.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49736-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:43:24 +0200 Received: from modem-32.strontium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.18.160] helo=default) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11CWDs-0005B4-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 23:42:52 +0100 Message-ID: <000901bedf2f$772198a0$a012883e@default> From: "michael sleight" To: "sam user" Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 11:44:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 114 Hi Bob If you can remember SUUG you have to be old and grey! Can you tell me what it was please? Mick Sleight From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 6 00:57:23 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA12724 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:57:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA27040 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:57:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49777-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:51:01 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:56077 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49771-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 00:50:39 +0200 Received: from ppp-b185.networksplus.net ([199.240.135.185]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 17:51:52 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 18:55:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Announcement In-reply-to: <19990805153617.24375.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990805225052Z49771-344+135@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 282 > Congrats on the wedding James. > > P.S Coule you at sometime if you are popping past Wetherby again pick > up your Jupiter sign from the first/second NSSS. Jupiter sign? Excuse me? Is my last name Ekins? -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 6 04:11:36 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id EAA24545 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 04:11:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id EAA13968 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 04:11:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49793-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 04:05:48 +0200 Received: from swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.120.123]:33223 "EHLO swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49789-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 04:05:33 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip91.seattle14.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.97.91]) by swan.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA08389 for ; Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:05:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003101bedfb0$39fbe440$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: Subject: Re: Announcement Date: Thu, 5 Aug 1999 19:05:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 304 From: Paul Walker > > Still in Seattle... which is cool. It's like Manchester, but with more > > trees, hills and lakes :) > > Isn't Seattle the one that rains a lot? As I said... it's like Manchester, but with more trees, hills and lakes :) Simon (couldn't resist ! :)) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 6 08:49:25 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id IAA10543 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:49:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id IAA25568 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:49:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49524-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:47:30 +0200 Received: from ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.227.50.25]:1208 "HELO ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49548-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 08:47:16 +0200 Received: from torres.mcs.surrey.ac.uk by ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1-ident) id m11Cdmd-0001f5C; Fri, 6 Aug 99 07:47 BST Received: from eep2ag by torres.mcs.surrey.ac.uk with local (Exim 0.57 #1) id 11Cdmc-0000Ne-00; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:47:14 +0100 Subject: Re: Music To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 07:47:13 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <004301bedf8b$7ce0ad60$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> from "Jonathan Bristow" at Aug 5, 99 10:42:57 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 968 > So in over all effect, is the SAM relatively faster than the Spectrum in > operation? Yes, and don't forget that the lower 16k of spectrum memory has an access speed restriction, too.... > I considered moving into Z80, since my 8 bit background concentrates on 6502 > coding, which is far simpler (For Constant speeds and variety of > instructions) but i am rather heavily put off by the speed restrictions > noted! > Like you, my first experience in machine code was 6502 on a Commodore 16, and I found the z80 to be quite weird at first.... lots of odd instructions I thought I'd never need, no zero page, and bizarre 16-bit registers. But I'm glad I did bother learning - the z80 is a lot easier to build hardware for than the 6502, and you can pick up z80s for about a quid. I don't think the speed restrictions are that serious - the excellent games on Sam (eg Prince of Persia) are proof. And you could always turn the screen off to get full speed. Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 6 12:18:49 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA23023 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:18:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA11123 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:18:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49572-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:15:10 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:33798 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49569-344> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:14:44 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:56:09 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C04@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Phew... Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 09:56:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 731 I'm planning to exit to Finland. Not quite USA, but it's still part of the exodus... Maybe in a year or two's time... Just learning the lingo, now... (sheesh, 2500 word variations for the word house...) But at least I know how to order beer and vodka! :) Just need to find some nice Finnish girl to fall madly in love with me. Hmmmm... I don't think that will happen anytime soon. Kuulemisiin, Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Simon Cooke [SMTP:simoncooke@earthlink.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 7:23 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Phew... > > ... talk about Diaspora... the SAM Community seems to be undergoing some > strange mass exodus from the UK :) >   > Oh, and Congrats Allan! >   > Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 6 12:18:49 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA23021 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:18:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA11109 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:18:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49575-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:15:09 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:33798 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49572-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:14:46 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:10:20 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C05@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Music Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:10:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 39 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 1641 > From: Jonathan Bristow [SMTP:arc@twilighte.demon.co.uk] > >:Persona sell SAM Sequencer 3. It's a very good buy. >: >:Unfortunately, it's a little slow.. :( Especially when you're trying to >:actually edit notes. Then again, what do you expect on a 6MHz machine??? > >I don't understand the link!, the Commodore 64 (Eeek!, can i mention it >here?) had great MIDI software for it, yet only ran at a daunting 1Mhtz, so >how can one possibly say that 6 Mhz is not enough? OK.. Perhaps my meaning got lost in my typing. The actual sequencing part of the sequencer is absolutely fine. It's great and quite easy to use. It has a substantial amount of features that you find in modern PC sequencers (OK, /old/ modern PC sequencers). Except when you graphically edit the notes. It seems to take forever and the cut/paste is a bit "iffy". Then again, I was quite used to the instant point/click/select/drag of Cakewalk, etc, before I even touched SAM Seq... I know it's bad, but I was comparing the SAM's MIDI sequencer to that of a PC. >I have even written (Although not completed) A midi Sequencer for the Oric! Cool.. You've done better than me. :) >Another Question, is this right that portions of the RAM are constrained by >speed of access? Close. It's the memory being blocked by the screen-encoding hardware to draw the screen on yer telly; it stops the CPU accessing the memory at the same time. I beleive all internal RAM on the SAM is effected by this. Effectively, it averages the CPU speed to be about 5.1MHz (as I think someone mentioned on here in the past) - unless you turn off the screen in one of the registers. justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 6 12:19:04 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA23018 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:18:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA11104 for ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:18:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49577-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:15:06 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:33798 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49575-344>; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 12:14:46 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:53:42 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C06@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Music Date: Fri, 6 Aug 1999 10:53:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 27 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 903 Twice the speed and four times the amount of screen memory. (hmmm) Yes, the SAM is a fair bit faster than the Spectrum. Justin. PS. "...sports car.....Granny City..." Heh. I like it! :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Bristow [SMTP:arc@twilighte.demon.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, August 05, 1999 10:43 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: Music > > So in over all effect, is the SAM relatively faster than the Spectrum in > operation? > I realise their are more fundamental differences between the two machines > and that the SAMs processor is said to run at twice the speed. > I considered moving into Z80, since my 8 bit background concentrates on > 6502 > coding, which is far simpler (For Constant speeds and variety of > instructions) but i am rather heavily put off by the speed restrictions > noted! > Like Driving a sports car all your life through Granny City!! > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 7 02:59:55 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id CAA14048 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 02:59:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id CAA08095 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 02:59:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49936-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 02:57:36 +0200 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.210]:21258 "EHLO mail2.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49935-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 02:57:33 +0200 Received: from modem-102.glucophage.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.69.230] helo=default) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Cunj-00043v-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 01:57:31 +0100 Message-ID: <000501bee06f$6e4d3d60$e645883e@default> From: "michael sleight" To: "sam user" Subject: help!! Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 01:53:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 198 Hi Everyone I'm having serious trouble with my email - I'm not sure it's working or not - I've just reinstalled my server and it's not sure who I am!!!! Please send a reply Thanks Mick Sleight From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 7 03:32:46 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id DAA16910 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:32:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id DAA16932 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:32:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49939-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:31:26 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:19105 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49936-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:31:16 +0200 Received: from [62.172.26.109] (helo=physics.org) by aisle.tesco.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11CvKM-0000kD-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 02:31:14 +0100 Message-ID: <37AB8BB7.3749466F@physics.org> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 02:28:40 +0100 From: Diggory Gray X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Pegasus References: <003a01bedec2$1d90c080$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco>; from Jonathan Bristow on Wed, Aug 04, 1999 at 10:41:29PM +0100 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 763 > Having said that, it doesn't have all the memory leaks that Pegasus does. > been using Pegasus for 30 minutes now, and I'm down to 49% system > resources. Lovely. I remember that at uni, had to restore my Email folders after deleting one. Use communicator, seems OK, but I cannot get the random sigs to work -sigh- Diggory -- /\ /\ / \ / \ / \___/ \ | | | . . | | Y | \ \_^_/ / \ / / \ / \ / \ | | Y | | | | | | | | | ^ | \__ \__(...)_(...)___ \ \ | _____/ | / ______/ \/ Thomas meowcat http://homepages.tesco.net/~Diggory/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 7 03:33:01 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id DAA16909 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:32:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id DAA16927 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:32:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49937-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:30:56 +0200 Received: from trolly.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.166]:47302 "EHLO trolley.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49936-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:30:49 +0200 Received: from [62.172.26.109] (helo=physics.org) by trolley.tesco.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11CvJu-0006ME-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 02:30:47 +0100 Message-ID: <37AB87D9.19332949@physics.org> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 02:12:08 +0100 From: Diggory Gray X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Bondi Blue? References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 53 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1278 Hello :) > > >Got a Bondi Blue now anyway... > > > > What on earth is one of these? > > I'd guess he's talking about an Apple iMac. Yes got it last November > I'll never understand where they picked the name "Bondi Blue" - that > colour is clearly green. I guess, looks nice though :) > BTW: are you sure you don't mean Blueberry? Unless it really is one of the > dead-old 233MHz models... Yes its the older model, not quite the original, got extra graphics card memory :) I put in 128MB SDRAM extra memory to speed things up though. Its OK for web stuff, fast enough for me (runs SimCoupe nicely) Ah, yes question - if I got a disk drive (sore point for iMAC owners), could I retrieve stuff from original SAM disks? Ooo, another: How do I get things like TD0 and others bits to DSK format for SIMCoupe? (No PC handy) Thanks much-ly Diggory -- /\ /\ / \ / \ / \___/ \ | | | . . | | Y | \ \_^_/ / \ / / \ / \ / \ | | Y | | | | | | | | | ^ | \__ \__(...)_(...)___ \ \ | _____/ | / ______/ \/ Thomas meowcat http://homepages.tesco.net/~Diggory/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 7 03:37:07 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id DAA17140 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:37:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id DAA18064 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:37:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49944-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:33:28 +0200 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.211]:35904 "EHLO mail4.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49941-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:33:09 +0200 Received: from modem-28.gallium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.15.28] helo=atlantic) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11CvMB-00045c-00; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 02:33:07 +0100 Message-ID: <008501bee074$cd13af00$775d883e@atlantic> From: "Dave Hooper" To: , References: <000501bee06f$6e4d3d60$e645883e@default> Subject: Re: help!! Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 02:31:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 107 Hello! dave ----- Original Message ----- > Please send a reply > > Thanks > > Mick Sleight From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 7 03:37:07 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id DAA17138 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:37:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id DAA18058 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:37:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49942-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:33:06 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:40097 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49941-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 03:32:52 +0200 Received: from [62.172.21.128] (helo=physics.org) by aisle.tesco.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11CvLu-0001CC-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 02:32:50 +0100 Message-ID: <37AB8C82.F77218FF@physics.org> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 02:32:03 +0100 From: Diggory Gray X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: help!! References: <000501bee06f$6e4d3d60$e645883e@default> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 694 A reply just for you! michael sleight wrote: > > Hi Everyone > > I'm having serious trouble with my email - I'm not sure it's working or > not - I've just reinstalled my server and it's not sure who I am!!!! > > Please send a reply > > Thanks > > Mick Sleight -- /\ /\ / \ / \ / \___/ \ | | | . . | | Y | \ \_^_/ / \ / / \ / \ / \ | | Y | | | | | | | | | ^ | \__ \__(...)_(...)___ \ \ | _____/ | / ______/ \/ Thomas meowcat http://homepages.tesco.net/~Diggory/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 7 08:02:27 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id IAA02312 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 08:02:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id IAA13634 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 08:02:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49320-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 07:59:21 +0200 Received: from fep4-orange.clear.net.nz ([IPv6:::ffff:203.97.32.4]:8425 "EHLO fep4-orange.clear.net.nz" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49298-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 07:59:14 +0200 Received: from clear.net.nz (a001-m001-u17.dune.clear.net.nz [203.167.192.16]) by fep4-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.3) with ESMTP id RAA13390; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 17:59:05 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <37AB6D8F.B7DEEC00@clear.net.nz> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 00:19:43 +0100 From: Gasson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no, michael sleight Subject: Re: subscribe References: <001301bedf13$a0236740$4f01883e@default> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 205 You want: mailto:sam-users-request@nvg.ntnu.no ^^^^^^^^ (I expect you have discovered / been told this, but...) > michael sleight wrote: > > subscribe > > from Mick Sleight From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 7 09:48:17 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA08159 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 09:48:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id JAA06238 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 09:48:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49335-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 09:47:12 +0200 Received: from trolly.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.166]:26089 "EHLO trolley.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49328-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 09:46:53 +0200 Received: from [212.140.71.116] (helo=default) by trolley.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11D1Br-0001zA-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 08:46:51 +0100 Message-ID: <001101bee0ec$25e01a20$74478cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Re Help Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 08:40:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 65 You got this way OK Mick. Whats the problem... Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 7 12:27:31 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA16961 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:27:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA12098 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:27:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49503-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:25:34 +0200 Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.83]:31712 "EHLO neodymium.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49324-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:25:18 +0200 Received: from [195.171.224.56] (helo=store.house) by neodymium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11D3ew-00051u-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:25:05 +0100 Received: from toy.house [192.168.116.10] by store.house with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11D3eu-0001nk-00; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:25:00 +0100 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37AB87D9.19332949@physics.org> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 11:23:11 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Bondi Blue? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 64 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 2005 At 2:43 am +0100 7/8/99, Diggory Gray wrote: >Ah, yes question - if I got a disk drive (sore point for iMAC owners), could I >retrieve stuff from original SAM disks? I doubt it. I don't know about any Mac software which will read Sam's native disk format. You *might* be able to save files using KE_Disk onto a 720K FAT (PC) floppy disk, and read those - that's what I usually do. BUT I've heard reports that the USB SuperDrive will not read Double-density disks. Then again, I've heard reports that that only applies to Mac DD disks and that PC DD disks are okay.[1] So try before you buy. >Ooo, another: How do I get things like TD0 and others bits to DSK format >for SIMCoupe? >(No PC handy) Tricky. TD0 files are almost dead in the water - most PCs can't read those either, these days. For other files, I have a program (quickly hacked together in C, most of which should be totally cross-platform except calling the Open and Save dialogue boxes) which can transfer files to and from a .dsk image. I guess I should upload it to mnemotech.ucam.org or somewhere... Andrew [1] Which would make a certain amount of sense, because Mac DD disks use a weird position-dependant sector size which has to be supported in hardware, wheras Mac HD disks do not,and PC disks do not. PS. You have a very nice cat, but might I draw your attention to that fact that sig files, by convention, are limited to four lines... > /\ /\ > / \ / \ > / \___/ \ >| | >| . . | > | Y | > \ \_^_/ / > \ / > / \ > / \ >/ \ >| | Y | | >| | | | | >| | ^ | \__ >\__(...)_(...)___ \ > \ | > _____/ | > / ______/ > \/ -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 7 14:01:12 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA22581 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 14:01:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA05037 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 14:01:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49166-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:59:55 +0200 Received: from tantalum.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.80]:10641 "EHLO tantalum.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49156-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 13:59:37 +0200 Received: from host5-171-231-219.btinternet.com ([195.171.231.219] helo=btinternet.com) by tantalum.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11D58Q-0002C5-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 12:59:35 +0100 Message-ID: <37AC1DCB.68B06674@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 07 Aug 1999 12:51:39 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Bondi Blue? References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 428 > For other files, I have a program (quickly hacked together in C, most > of which should be totally cross-platform except calling the Open and > Save dialogue boxes) which can transfer files to and from a .dsk > image. I guess I should upload it to mnemotech.ucam.org or > somewhere... Do it today! Upload the source if you are really in the 'helping the community' mood (and if it isn't too painful). Please? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 7 15:08:50 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id PAA26185 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:08:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id PAA21550 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:08:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49166-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:07:21 +0200 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.81]:2223 "EHLO tungsten.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49156-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 15:07:05 +0200 Received: from [195.171.224.56] (helo=store.house) by tungsten.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11D6Bd-0002cD-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 14:06:58 +0100 Received: from toy.house [192.168.116.10] by store.house with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11D6Bj-0002aS-00; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 14:07:03 +0100 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37AC1DCB.68B06674@btinternet.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 14:06:17 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Bondi Blue? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 829 >> For other files, I have a program (quickly hacked together in C, most >> of which should be totally cross-platform except calling the Open and >> Save dialogue boxes) which can transfer files to and from a .dsk >> image. I guess I should upload it to mnemotech.ucam.org or >> somewhere... > > Do it today! Upload the source if you are really in the 'helping the >community' mood (and if it isn't too painful). Please? Alright, it's there. http://mnemotech.ucam.org/downloads/samdsk.sit Eeeee, I dunno.... The number of times I've mentioned it, and nobody seemed interested until today! Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 7 18:21:07 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA07178 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:21:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA08625 for ; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:21:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49234-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:19:15 +0200 Received: from web1101.mail.yahoo.com ([IPv6:::ffff:128.11.23.121]:18948 "HELO web601.yahoomail.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49186-344>; Sat, 7 Aug 1999 18:18:56 +0200 Message-ID: <19990807161856.13680.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [212.54.221.4] by web1101.mail.yahoo.com; Sat, 07 Aug 1999 09:18:56 PDT Date: Sat, 7 Aug 1999 09:18:56 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?george=20boyle?= Subject: Re: help!! To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 370 Hello ! Englishman in Rhodes --- Dave Hooper wrote: > > Hello! > > > dave > > ----- Original Message ----- > > Please send a reply > > > > Thanks > > > > Mick Sleight > > > === George _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 8 12:40:25 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA09739 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:40:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA14851 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:40:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49242-344>; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:36:00 +0200 Received: from trolly.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.166]:8947 "EHLO trolley.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49195-344>; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 12:35:38 +0200 Received: from [212.140.71.223] (helo=default) by trolley.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11DQIf-0001XG-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:35:33 +0100 Message-ID: <000101bee1cc$e2ae3c00$df478cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: I hate Outlook Express Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 11:34:48 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 286 Does anyone know of a better interface than Outlook Express and if so how do I interface it to my current ISP. Or does anyone know of a free ISP that uses something different from Outlook Express. Microsoft rules the World! But not my machine if I can help it..... Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 8 21:57:00 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA11057 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:56:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA03017 for ; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:56:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49499-344>; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:55:06 +0200 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.214]:53281 "EHLO mail10.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49453-344>; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 21:54:36 +0200 Received: from modem-76.scandium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.10.76] helo=default) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11DZ1e-00032H-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:54:34 +0100 Message-ID: <002b01bee1d6$e04ac500$4c0a883e@default> From: "michael sleight" To: "sam user" Subject: email help Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 20:47:24 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 67 Thanks to all who sent me email It works fine now Mick Sleight From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 9 00:31:53 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA19924 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:31:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA03292 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:31:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49558-344>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:27:28 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:38920 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49553-344>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:27:19 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-3-26.cvx2.telinco.net [212.1.142.26]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CE98F639FB for ; Sun, 08 Aug 1999 18:26:57 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37AE0425.89FF4E44@bonbon.net> Date: Sun, 08 Aug 1999 23:26:45 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: I hate Outlook Express References: <000101bee1cc$e2ae3c00$df478cd4@default> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1403 Hi Rob... Robert Wilkinson wrote: > > Does anyone know of a better interface than Outlook Express and if so how do > I interface it to my current ISP. There are loads of email programs out there (if thats what you mean)... As for free ones, now thats a different matter. Presumably this is for Win95/98 ...I use Netscape (the whole caboodle) but I don't know whats better than that - no doubt *something* is cos frankly its a bit clunky (but free!). Try: http://www.download.com and search for 'email' (or something similar)... You'll get the lot then! > Or does anyone know of a free ISP that uses something different from Outlook > Express. Well, *any* ISP that can use Outlook Express will be able to use *any* other email program ....The only reason you've probably got Outlook Express is that thats what they give you.... If you want help setting anything up lemme know & I'll lend a hand.. Martin Fitzpatrick "Aliens are in control of Blair, say Serb psychics" - From the Independent on Sunday (today)... ..So, my suspicions were well founded :o) (and in the body of the story..) "If one were to switch off the impulses radiated at the US president by the extra-terrestrials, only a sax player would remain" ...So, extra-terrestrial 'impulses' turned him into a lying cheating adulterer? I like this. -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 9 09:02:41 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA28812 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:02:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id JAA08305 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:02:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49309-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:01:22 +0200 Received: from goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.120.18]:6097 "EHLO goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49383-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 09:01:08 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip99.seattle14.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.97.99]) by goose.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id AAA17437 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:01:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002301bee235$03f9d000$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: "samusers" Subject: Win2k challenge :) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 00:01:32 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 260 For those who are following this, I just managed to take out ASP on the Win2k box... I'm going to see if I can use the same hack to get more access to the machine... Confirmation? Sure! http://www.windows2000test.com comes up... the Guestbook doesn't :) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 9 14:17:50 1999 Received: from condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.25]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA17103 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:17:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA10331 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:17:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49595-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:13:22 +0200 Received: from fep3-orange.clear.net.nz ([IPv6:::ffff:203.97.32.3]:57013 "EHLO fep3-orange.clear.net.nz" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49591-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:13:18 +0200 Received: from clear.net.nz (a001-m001-u29.dune.clear.net.nz [203.167.192.28]) by fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.3) with ESMTP id AAA22529; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:13:10 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <37AF5F4D.B631A36C@clear.net.nz> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:07:57 +0100 From: Gasson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: I hate Outlook Express References: <000101bee1cc$e2ae3c00$df478cd4@default> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 55 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1981 Robert Wilkinson wrote: > Does anyone know of a better interface than Outlook Express and if so how do > I interface it to my current ISP. > > Or does anyone know of a free ISP that uses something different from Outlook > Express. > > Microsoft rules the World! But not my machine if I can help it..... > > Bob Wilkinson. I asked roughly this question on comp.os.os2.networking.misc sometime last year, and got the following reply: > My company runs on Outlook (damn it, we switched from being a Mac > shop to a Wintel shop). At work, I ran Outlook98, but I can also > access my mail from Netscape mail (or PMMail/2). The mail from > StarOffice also works fine... > > I don't know if this will work for you (and my explainations may > sound a bit goofy, cause I don't understand Exchange): > > Your mail user name is the path to your Outlook mailbox. It'll be > something like: > nt_network/jbland/Joe_Bland > > and then your incoming mail server will be the NT Exchange server: > nt-exchange.mycompany.com I got Netscape to read the mail using this. I used settings like: Mail Server: server.company.com User Name: domain/fml/FirstL (where f, m & l mean first, middle and last initials) I had a little trouble finding the user name. When I looked up the setting in Outlook mail, it said "First Last" (with a space between), but when I used that in Netscape: User Name: domain/fml/First Last it didn't like it. I discovered that if I typed "FirstL" into the Outlook mail settings, it expanded it to "First Last", and also "FirstL" worked in Netscape. I assume that "FirstL" is the actual username, and "First Last" is a description. This might require a bit of experimentation. This worked fine for a while, but then the administrator changed something on the server. Now I have to enter a username and password to send mail. Also I have recently discovered that attachments do not seem to work. I would be interested to hear how you do with this. -- James Gasson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 9 16:25:58 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id QAA24823 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:25:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id QAA24933 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:25:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49621-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:24:24 +0200 Received: from law-f179.hotmail.com ([IPv6:::ffff:209.185.131.242]:12809 "HELO hotmail.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49617-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:24:11 +0200 Received: (qmail 77097 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 1999 14:19:32 -0000 Message-ID: <19990809141932.77096.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.127.94.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 07:19:32 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.127.94.7] From: "Rob Smith" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Fred n' speccy Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 07:19:32 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed" Content-Length: 519 Couple of questions to anyone who can answer them... What are Colin McDonald and Colin Anderson of FRED fame up to these days? Can anyone recommend a web site with hints, tips, cheats etc for SAM and SPECCY games?... I have searched and searched for them and all I can find are tips for modern platforms... so much for the dawning of the retro gaming (and er.. cheating) era. Yours quizicly Rob Smith ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 9 16:45:00 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id QAA25848 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:44:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id QAA04576 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:44:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49627-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:41:05 +0200 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.39]:57351 "EHLO finch-post-11.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49621-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:40:50 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11DqbW-000BNp-0B for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 14:40:47 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:40:36 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: <19990809141932.77096.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <19990809141932.77096.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 781 Status: RO X-Lines: 24 In message <19990809141932.77096.qmail@hotmail.com>, Rob Smith writes >Couple of questions to anyone who can answer them... > >What are Colin McDonald and Colin Anderson of FRED fame up to these days? > >Can anyone recommend a web site with hints, tips, cheats etc for SAM and >SPECCY games?... I have searched and searched for them and all I can find >are tips for modern platforms... so much for the dawning of the retro gaming >(and er.. cheating) era. I've got a few cheats and maps on my site... But only a few. What are you stuck on? www.duketastrophy.demon.co.uk Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 9 17:04:34 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA27053 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:04:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA15261 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:04:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49651-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:44:43 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:39696 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49648-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:44:30 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA14959 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:44:28 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id PAA11796 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:44:21 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:44:20 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: website nwe address Message-ID: <19990809154420.A11157@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <000701beda04$027b1e20$5033883e@johnnateare> <00a601bedae3$25797220$9f5b883e@atlantic> <000b01bedafd$4098f660$64a5fea9@simcooke3> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <000b01bedafd$4098f660$64a5fea9@simcooke3>; from Simon Cooke on Fri, Jul 30, 1999 at 07:34:44PM -0700 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 309 On Fri, Jul 30, 1999 at 07:34:44PM -0700, Simon Cooke wrote: > BTW: I've recently left Microsoft and am starting a new job at Sierra > software soon... So... remind us why you defected to the US again? :-) I mean, now you have left Microsoft you didn't have the tiniest thought about coming back to UK? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 9 17:23:46 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA28110 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:23:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA26035 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:23:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49621-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:18:15 +0200 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.38]:13585 "EHLO finch-post-10.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49617-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:18:00 +0200 Received: from tissoft.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.177] helo=postoffice.tissoft.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11DrBV-0007Y4-0A for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 15:17:58 +0000 Received: from tistemp3 by postoffice.tissoft.co.uk (8.9.1) id QAA17252; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:16:03 +0100 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <003301bee279$f84defd0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: website nwe address Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:15:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 766 From: Ian Collier >On Fri, Jul 30, 1999 at 07:34:44PM -0700, Simon Cooke wrote: >> BTW: I've recently left Microsoft and am starting a new job at Sierra >> software soon... > >So... remind us why you defected to the US again? :-) >I mean, now you have left Microsoft you didn't have the tiniest thought >about coming back to UK? Notice the rain outside? :) I once considered moving to the States to work as programmer (I was born there so hvae dual nationality and don't need any visas or Green Cards or wotnot). Eventually decided that it was too different to Britain for me, so I worked in sunny Birkenhead and now in sunny London... for less money than I'd be paid in the States... Life doesn't make sense sometimes... Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 9 17:38:39 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA28906 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:38:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA03940 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:38:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49621-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:37:15 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:39441 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49565-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 17:37:07 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id QAA15861 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:37:05 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id QAA11942 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:37:02 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 16:37:01 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: website nwe address Message-ID: <19990809163701.H11157@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <003301bee279$f84defd0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <003301bee279$f84defd0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk>; from Nick Humphries on Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 04:15:09PM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 161 On Mon, Aug 09, 1999 at 04:15:09PM +0100, Nick Humphries wrote: > Notice the rain outside? :) And that makes Seattle more attractive for some reason? :-) imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 9 18:19:49 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA01194 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:19:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA24528 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:19:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49646-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:17:06 +0200 Received: from law-f18.hotmail.com ([IPv6:::ffff:209.185.131.81]:29459 "HELO hotmail.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49621-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:16:49 +0200 Received: (qmail 39841 invoked by uid 0); 9 Aug 1999 16:16:33 -0000 Message-ID: <19990809161633.39840.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.127.94.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:16:32 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.127.94.7] From: "Rob Smith" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 09:16:32 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed" Content-Length: 441 > >I've got a few cheats and maps on my site... But only a few. What are >you stuck on? > >www.duketastrophy.demon.co.uk > >Graham Goring > Thanks for the offer of help For the Speccy "Slaine" and "Stontium Dog" For the Sam "Manic Miner" and the lords of Midnight clone which name alludes me and "Days of Sorcery" Rob Smith ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 9 19:50:30 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id TAA06511 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:50:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id TAA00412 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:50:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49664-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:48:18 +0200 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.23]:16943 "EHLO mail11.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49390-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:48:12 +0200 Received: from modem-62.cortizone.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.58.190] helo=sadsnail) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11DtWs-0008LJ-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:48:11 +0100 Message-ID: <000601bee28f$58502280$be3a883e@sadsnail> From: "Tim" To: References: Subject: Re: Bondi Blue? Date: Sun, 8 Aug 1999 19:56:16 +0100 Organization: Sad Snail Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 359 From: Andrew Collier > For other files, I have a program (quickly hacked together in C, most of > which should be totally cross-platform except calling the Open and Save > dialogue boxes) which can transfer files to and from a .dsk image. I guess > I should upload it to mnemotech.ucam.org or somewhere... How about ftp.nvg.ntnu.no? Tim From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 9 19:50:45 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id TAA06510 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:50:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id TAA00404 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:50:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49667-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:48:17 +0200 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.23]:17199 "EHLO mail11.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49664-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:48:13 +0200 Received: from modem-62.cortizone.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.58.190] helo=sadsnail) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11DtWu-0008LJ-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:48:12 +0100 Message-ID: <000701bee28f$5911ebe0$be3a883e@sadsnail> From: "Tim" To: References: <003a01bedec2$1d90c080$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:47:28 +0100 Organization: Sad Snail Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 606 From: Jonathan Bristow > Hmmm, strange... my settings say that i am sending it out as Plain Text! > Also, although i have set any replies to be indented with >, none are!!! > Damned annoying, maybe somehow Outlook Express has got corrupted along the > way! Mine often seems to get confused if I'm replying to a reply (ie it already has a load of text indented with >'s) I suspect it's to stop mass runs of "> > > > > > " when people keep forwarding things on. Unfortunately it doesn't see a difference between forwarding and replying as some email programs do. Tim ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 9 20:05:49 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA07323 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:05:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA06843 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:05:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49390-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:03:37 +0200 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.39]:4620 "EHLO finch-post-11.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49674-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 20:03:31 +0200 Received: from twilighte.demon.co.uk ([193.237.162.10] helo=pre-installedco) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Dtle-000CnY-0B for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 18:03:26 +0000 Message-ID: <002c01bee291$99e1cd00$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> From: "Jonathan Bristow" To: Subject: Re: Date: Mon, 9 Aug 1999 19:04:17 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 1010 Status: RO X-Lines: 33 Thanks for that Tim, i now know i am not alone on that prob! BTW: Is any one gonna give me a tip-off where i might find an internal Disc drive for the SAM, or am i gonna be forever with just a SAM-Carcass? Respect Twilighte -----Original Message----- From: Tim To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 09 August 1999 18:54 Subject: Re: :From: Jonathan Bristow :> Hmmm, strange... my settings say that i am sending it out as Plain Text! :> Also, although i have set any replies to be indented with >, none are!!! :> Damned annoying, maybe somehow Outlook Express has got corrupted along the :> way! : :Mine often seems to get confused if I'm replying to a reply (ie it already :has a load of text indented with >'s) : :I suspect it's to stop mass runs of "> > > > > > " when people keep :forwarding things on. Unfortunately it doesn't see a difference between :forwarding and replying as some email programs do. : :Tim ....@/ : : From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 9 21:21:57 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA11405 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 21:21:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA03235 for ; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 21:21:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49664-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 21:15:59 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:29700 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49390-20447>; Mon, 9 Aug 1999 21:15:38 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-2-219.cvx4.telinco.net [212.1.136.219]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 9AE0A639D4 for ; Mon, 09 Aug 1999 15:15:27 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37AF28C5.972FCD@bonbon.net> Date: Mon, 09 Aug 1999 20:15:17 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: <19990809141932.77096.qmail@hotmail.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 203 Graham Goring wrote: > www.duketastrophy.demon.co.uk Should that be read "duke catastrophe" or "duck catasrophe"? Martin -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 04:00:39 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id EAA03880 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:00:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id EAA27788 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:00:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49704-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:45:50 +0200 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.38]:25618 "EHLO finch-post-10.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49687-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:45:30 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11E0yg-0008OR-0A for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 01:45:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:43:40 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: <19990809141932.77096.qmail@hotmail.com> <37AF28C5.972FCD@bonbon.net> In-Reply-To: <37AF28C5.972FCD@bonbon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 492 Status: RO X-Lines: 26 In message <37AF28C5.972FCD@bonbon.net>, Martin Fitzpatrick writes > > >Graham Goring wrote: > >> www.duketastrophy.demon.co.uk > >Should that be read "duke catastrophe" or "duck catasrophe"? :) Neither. Duke-tast-roff-ee It's a word taken from the excellent cartoon "The Critic". Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 04:23:19 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id EAA04898 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:23:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id EAA03811 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:23:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49188-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:08:29 +0200 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.20]:18441 "EHLO tele-post-20.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49160-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 04:08:22 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11E1Ku-0007qM-0K for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:08:21 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:45:19 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: <19990809161633.39840.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <19990809161633.39840.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 680 Status: RO X-Lines: 21 In message <19990809161633.39840.qmail@hotmail.com>, Rob Smith writes >Thanks for the offer of help > >For the Speccy "Slaine" and "Stontium Dog" >For the Sam "Manic Miner" and the lords of Midnight clone which name alludes >me and "Days of Sorcery" Hmm, can't help with any of the SAM stuff, tbh (oh, and it's Legend Of Eshan, btw). But I've pretty much finished Strontium Dog in the past, but again Slaine I'm useless at. Have you tried paging the Spectrum Oracle, yet? Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 09:58:09 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA23151 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:58:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id JAA06425 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:58:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49274-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:56:35 +0200 Received: from law-f227.hotmail.com ([IPv6:::ffff:209.185.130.165]:48649 "HELO hotmail.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49261-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:56:28 +0200 Received: (qmail 13658 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 1999 07:56:20 -0000 Message-ID: <19990810075620.13657.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.127.94.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:56:20 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.127.94.7] From: "Rob Smith" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 00:56:20 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 18 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed" Content-Length: 555 >Hmm, can't help with any of the SAM stuff, tbh (oh, and it's Legend Of >Eshan, btw). But I've pretty much finished Strontium Dog in the past, >but again Slaine I'm useless at. Have you tried paging the Spectrum >Oracle, yet? > >Graham Goring In Strontium Dog I used to get passed the door where the guy (mutie) comes out shooting, but I can't work out how to do it anymore. Any sugestions? Er and what or who is the Spectrum Oracle? Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 10:52:17 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA26550 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:52:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA09716 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:52:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49438-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:38:55 +0200 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.70]:59837 "EHLO red.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49417-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:38:39 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11E7Qa-0005KR-00; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:38:36 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:38:36 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy In-Reply-To: <19990809161633.39840.qmail@hotmail.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 336 On Mon, 9 Aug 1999, Rob Smith wrote: > For the Sam "Manic Miner" Which screen(s) in particular? Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 10:52:20 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA26552 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:52:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA09731 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:52:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49305-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:45:46 +0200 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.38]:64013 "EHLO finch-post-10.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49287-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 10:45:33 +0200 Received: from tissoft.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.177] helo=postoffice.tissoft.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11E7XH-0002Wy-0A for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:45:31 +0000 Received: from tistemp3 by postoffice.tissoft.co.uk (8.9.1) id JAA03328; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:46:25 +0100 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <003001bee30c$b72ac9e0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:45:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 268 -----Original Message----- From: Rob Smith > >Er and what or who is the Spectrum Oracle? > SPOT - Spectrum Oracle on Trumpton. It's somewhere off the Your Spectrum Unofficial Archive at http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~jimg/ Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 11:40:35 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA29238 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:40:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA08282 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:40:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49305-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:36:37 +0200 Received: from law-f271.hotmail.com ([IPv6:::ffff:209.185.130.187]:57609 "HELO hotmail.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49287-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:36:34 +0200 Received: (qmail 75742 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 1999 09:36:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19990810093618.75741.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.127.94.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:36:18 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.127.94.7] From: "Rob Smith" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 02:36:18 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 19 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed" Content-Length: 520 > > > For the Sam "Manic Miner" > >Which screen(s) in particular? > >Andrew I was actualy looking for an infinite live cheat for that one, it's a great game but I'm prety rubbish at it... I always get so far then die stupidly and have to start over and spend another half hour getting to where I last died only to get killed just a fraction further on. maybe I need to develop my learning curve. Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 12:07:05 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA00908 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:07:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA23666 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:07:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49261-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:00:57 +0200 Received: from law-f123.hotmail.com ([IPv6:::ffff:209.185.131.186]:16658 "HELO hotmail.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49282-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:00:39 +0200 Received: (qmail 50686 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 1999 10:00:31 -0000 Message-ID: <19990810100031.50685.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.127.94.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:00:31 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.127.94.7] From: "Rob Smith" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 03:00:31 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 18 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed" Content-Length: 349 >SPOT - Spectrum Oracle on Trumpton. > >It's somewhere off the Your Spectrum Unofficial Archive at >http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~jimg/ > >Nick Thanks Nick, I'll try and take a quick look at it while my boss is not looking. Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 13:29:30 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA07536 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:29:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA01856 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:29:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49314-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:28:10 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:12120 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49311-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:28:00 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-2-115.cvx4.telinco.net [212.1.136.115]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6F5A8639E6 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 07:27:38 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37B00C9F.1BFDF95C@bonbon.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:27:27 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: <19990809141932.77096.qmail@hotmail.com> <37AF28C5.972FCD@bonbon.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 370 Graham Goring wrote: > >Should that be read "duke catastrophe" or "duck catasrophe"? > > :) > Neither. > Duke-tast-roff-ee > It's a word taken from the excellent cartoon "The Critic". Well, you learn something everyday.... In a similar vein.. "Cowabunga, dudes" :o).... Classic... Hmm Martin -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 13:42:19 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA08816 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:42:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA07742 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:42:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49386-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:39:39 +0200 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.70]:63373 "EHLO red.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49311-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:39:23 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11EAFU-0000se-00; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:39:20 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:39:20 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy In-Reply-To: <37B00C9F.1BFDF95C@bonbon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 412 On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > Well, you learn something everyday.... In a similar vein.. > > "Cowabunga, dudes" :o).... Classic... Hmm FSVO Classic... Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 14:14:24 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA11474 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:14:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA23534 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:14:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49396-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:09:30 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:15961 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49311-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:09:21 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-2-156.cvx5.telinco.net [212.1.150.156]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 73153639E6 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:09:11 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37B01657.62216977@bonbon.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:08:55 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 469 Andrew Collier wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > > > Well, you learn something everyday.... In a similar vein.. > > > > "Cowabunga, dudes" :o).... Classic... Hmm > > FSVO Classic... Which would mean?... The only reference to 'FSVO' anywhere was about uploading something, saying "uploaded to non-US (FSVO) " So what is it? Tell me, tell me,... Now now now Martin -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 14:36:55 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA12753 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:36:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA05412 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:36:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49386-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:33:20 +0200 Received: from bfd-gate.gbdirect.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.100.1]:45128 "EHLO mailgate.gbdirect.co.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49396-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:32:58 +0200 Received: from gbdirect.co.uk (lee@landlord.gbdirect.co.uk [192.168.0.129]) by mailgate.gbdirect.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id NAA14475 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:32:54 +0100 Received: (from lee@localhost) by gbdirect.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id NAA23783; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:32:54 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: <37B01657.62216977@bonbon.net> X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 10 Aug 1999 13:32:53 +0100 In-Reply-To: Martin Fitzpatrick's message of "Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:08:55 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 18 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 424 Martin Fitzpatrick writes: > > > "Cowabunga, dudes" :o).... Classic... Hmm > > > > FSVO Classic... > > Which would mean?... The only reference to 'FSVO' anywhere was about > uploading something, saying "uploaded to non-US (FSVO) " For Some Valus Of HTH & HAND Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 14:36:55 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA12754 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:36:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA05420 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:36:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49417-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:35:20 +0200 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.70]:43687 "EHLO red.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49396-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:35:12 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11EB7S-0004LN-00; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:35:06 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:35:06 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy In-Reply-To: <37B01657.62216977@bonbon.net> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 26 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 694 On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > Andrew Collier wrote: > > > "Cowabunga, dudes" :o).... Classic... Hmm > > > > FSVO Classic... > > Which would mean?... The only reference to 'FSVO' anywhere was about > uploading something, saying "uploaded to non-US (FSVO) " > > So what is it? Tell me, tell me,... Now now now For Some Values Of. i.e. iff "Classic" means "old" or "outdated" then "Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles" is "Classic". Heath, Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 14:56:35 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA13826 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:56:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA16529 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:56:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49386-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:53:22 +0200 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.70]:62382 "EHLO red.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49440-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:52:59 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11EBOf-0005RG-00; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:52:53 +0100 Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:52:53 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 628 On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Andrew Collier wrote: > > Which would mean?... The only reference to 'FSVO' anywhere was about > > uploading something, saying "uploaded to non-US (FSVO) " > > > > So what is it? Tell me, tell me,... Now now now > > For Some Values Of. This, BTW, is mentioned at http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj/docs/acronym.txt which comes up on a search for FSVO at Altavista... Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 16:20:19 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id QAA18734 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:20:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id QAA01180 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:20:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49697-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:07:00 +0200 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.41]:57349 "EHLO finch-post-12.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49699-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:06:51 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ECYD-0003fy-0C for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:06:49 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:03:06 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: <19990810075620.13657.qmail@hotmail.com> In-Reply-To: <19990810075620.13657.qmail@hotmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 1093 Status: RO X-Lines: 31 In message <19990810075620.13657.qmail@hotmail.com>, Rob Smith writes > >>Hmm, can't help with any of the SAM stuff, tbh (oh, and it's Legend Of >>Eshan, btw). But I've pretty much finished Strontium Dog in the past, >>but again Slaine I'm useless at. Have you tried paging the Spectrum >>Oracle, yet? >> >>Graham Goring > >In Strontium Dog I used to get passed the door where the guy (mutie) comes >out shooting, but I can't work out how to do it anymore. Any sugestions? You have to be brilliant at timing, basically, and get into his stream of fire and shoot him back. VERY difficult. >Er and what or who is the Spectrum Oracle? SPOT-ON, the Spectrum Oracle On Trumpton. And sorta' massive database of Speccy information that has huge amounts of information. I forget the URL, but if you go to WOS (www.void.demon.nl/spectrum, IIRC) you'll be able to find a link to it, no doubt. Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 16:20:19 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id QAA18748 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:20:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id QAA01189 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:20:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49696-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:07:11 +0200 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.38]:62986 "EHLO finch-post-10.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49700-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 16:06:56 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ECYD-00048g-0A for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 14:06:50 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 13:04:34 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: <19990809141932.77096.qmail@hotmail.com> <37AF28C5.972FCD@bonbon.net> <37B00C9F.1BFDF95C@bonbon.net> In-Reply-To: <37B00C9F.1BFDF95C@bonbon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 712 Status: RO X-Lines: 27 In message <37B00C9F.1BFDF95C@bonbon.net>, Martin Fitzpatrick writes > > >Graham Goring wrote: >> >Should that be read "duke catastrophe" or "duck catasrophe"? >> >> :) >> Neither. >> Duke-tast-roff-ee >> It's a word taken from the excellent cartoon "The Critic". > >Well, you learn something everyday.... In a similar vein.. > >"Cowabunga, dudes" :o).... Classic... Hmm Tsk! How could you compare TMNT to The Critic (which was consistently funnier than The Simpsons during it's short 23 episode life)? Pah! Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 17:31:40 1999 Received: from condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.25]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA22851 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:31:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA09060 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:31:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49480-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:25:55 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:4881 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49457-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:25:37 +0200 Received: from man-ppp-b59.networksplus.net ([199.240.135.59]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:11:53 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 09:10:04 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy In-reply-to: <37AF28C5.972FCD@bonbon.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990810152542Z49457-20447+294@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 236 > Graham Goring wrote: > > > www.duketastrophy.demon.co.uk > > Should that be read "duke catastrophe" or "duck catasrophe"? Hmm, that's a real quizibuk. -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 17:51:38 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA23880 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:51:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA16985 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:51:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49457-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:49:47 +0200 Received: from law-f55.hotmail.com ([IPv6:::ffff:209.185.131.118]:31752 "HELO hotmail.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49513-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:49:28 +0200 Received: (qmail 32453 invoked by uid 0); 10 Aug 1999 15:49:18 -0000 Message-ID: <19990810154918.32452.qmail@hotmail.com> Received: from 192.127.94.7 by www.hotmail.com with HTTP; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:49:18 PDT X-Originating-IP: [192.127.94.7] From: "Rob Smith" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 08:49:18 PDT Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 13 Content-Type: text/plain; format="flowed" Content-Length: 403 >SPOT-ON, the Spectrum Oracle On Trumpton. And sorta' massive database of >Speccy information that has huge amounts of information. I forget the >URL, but if you go to WOS (www.void.demon.nl/spectrum, IIRC) you'll be >able to find a link to it, no doubt. Thanks, I'll give it a look. Rob ______________________________________________________ Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 18:14:53 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA24929 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:14:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA28168 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:14:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49496-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:01:48 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:41594 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49483-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:01:32 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-1-58.cvx2.telinco.net [212.1.144.58]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id EB5CE63A02 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:01:16 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37B04CC1.6437A458@bonbon.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:01:05 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 858 Andrew Collier wrote: > > On Tue, 10 Aug 1999, Andrew Collier wrote: > > > > Which would mean?... The only reference to 'FSVO' anywhere was about > > > uploading something, saying "uploaded to non-US (FSVO) " > > > > > > So what is it? Tell me, tell me,... Now now now > > > > For Some Values Of. > > This, BTW, is mentioned at > http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj/docs/acronym.txt which comes up on a > search for FSVO at Altavista... > Ohh well, i guess I didn't look hard enough - I did search on alta-vista though... But, if I can't see anything in the first few lines that looks *remotely* right, I generally give up (its a method thats served me well so far... :o>).. I checked on two acronym searches and found nothing tho.. Are you sure you didn't make it up? :o) Martin -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 18:14:53 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA24931 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:14:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA28173 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:14:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49483-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:03:26 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:45434 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49497-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:03:02 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-1-58.cvx2.telinco.net [212.1.144.58]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 67213639E4 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:02:48 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37B04D1A.56777769@bonbon.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:02:34 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: <19990809141932.77096.qmail@hotmail.com> <37AF28C5.972FCD@bonbon.net> <37B00C9F.1BFDF95C@bonbon.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 880 Graham Goring wrote: > > In message <37B00C9F.1BFDF95C@bonbon.net>, Martin Fitzpatrick > writes > > > > > >Graham Goring wrote: > >> >Should that be read "duke catastrophe" or "duck catasrophe"? > >> > >> :) > >> Neither. > >> Duke-tast-roff-ee > >> It's a word taken from the excellent cartoon "The Critic". > > > >Well, you learn something everyday.... In a similar vein.. > > > >"Cowabunga, dudes" :o).... Classic... Hmm > > Tsk! How could you compare TMNT to The Critic (which was consistently > funnier than The Simpsons during it's short 23 episode life)? Pah! Funnier than The Simpsons? I dont believe it. Is is around in the UK then?... Besides, I hate TMNT (or more accurately TMHT).... I can't believe there was talk of putting "Cowabunga" in the dictionary. Martin -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 18:14:57 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA24938 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:14:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA28179 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:14:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49475-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:09:46 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:2174 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49319-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:09:23 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-1-58.cvx2.telinco.net [212.1.144.58]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1734E63A14 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:09:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37B04E9F.7EA0ED46@bonbon.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:09:03 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: <37B01657.62216977@bonbon.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 810 Lee Willis wrote: > > Martin Fitzpatrick writes: > > > > > "Cowabunga, dudes" :o).... Classic... Hmm > > > > > > FSVO Classic... > > > > Which would mean?... The only reference to 'FSVO' anywhere was about > > uploading something, saying "uploaded to non-US (FSVO) " > > For Some Valus Of > > HTH & HAND Arrrrgghghhh... acronyms ...Ugh... Ugh... But... which version would it be: HTH : Hand To Hand combat HTH : Hand To Heart (I'm being honest) HTH : Happy To Help HTH : Hope This Helps ...and as for 'HAND'....... ... "Have A Nice Day" or "Hell And Nuclear Devices"? ;o) Dont mess with the guy whos just found an acronym finder. :) ..Still have no idea what a quizibuk is though (James) Martin -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 18:14:58 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA24942 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:14:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA28216 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:14:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49480-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:10:16 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:1919 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49319-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:10:06 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-1-58.cvx2.telinco.net [212.1.144.58]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 58A57639E4 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:09:58 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37B04ECD.B053961E@bonbon.net> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:09:49 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 381 Andrew Collier wrote: > > > For Some Values Of. > > This, BTW, is mentioned at > http://home.golden.net/~rebeccaj/docs/acronym.txt which comes up on a > search for FSVO at Altavista... I've found this specific altavista tool thing which seems to do the biz... http://www.mtnds.com/af/gadget.html Martin -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 18:40:41 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA26460 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:40:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA08177 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:40:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49457-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:32:38 +0200 Received: from bfd-gate.gbdirect.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.100.1]:47915 "EHLO mailgate.gbdirect.co.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49319-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 18:32:21 +0200 Received: from gbdirect.co.uk (lee@landlord.gbdirect.co.uk [192.168.0.129]) by mailgate.gbdirect.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA18880 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:32:13 +0100 Received: (from lee@localhost) by gbdirect.co.uk (8.8.7/8.8.7) id RAA11168; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:32:12 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: <37B01657.62216977@bonbon.net> <37B04E9F.7EA0ED46@bonbon.net> X-Face: "J~~0'L`GfL^sW4%+i35x#X308)K/$7\]qy)UZ$`k:}Bx]6mgAA^N5,@brn/19TPn%o;j28 W7mD)UN~se8P9\3?wU.g+i9)X Date: 10 Aug 1999 17:32:11 +0100 In-Reply-To: Martin Fitzpatrick's message of "Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:09:03 +0100" Message-ID: Lines: 14 User-Agent: Gnus/5.070095 (Pterodactyl Gnus v0.95) Emacs/20.3 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 318 Martin Fitzpatrick writes: > > HTH & HAND > > HTH : Hope This Helps > > ... "Have A Nice Day" You commonly see these together on application help-lists ... Lee. -- I was doing object-oriented assembly at 1 year old ... For some reason my mom insists on calling it "Playing with blocks" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 20:12:15 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA01475 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:12:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA12813 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:12:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49498-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:07:12 +0200 Received: from web1104.mail.yahoo.com ([IPv6:::ffff:128.11.23.124]:11537 "HELO web601.yahoomail.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49497-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 20:07:02 +0200 Message-ID: <19990810180638.19650.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [212.54.221.7] by web1104.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:06:38 PDT Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 11:06:38 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?george=20boyle?= Subject: David Ledbury To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 303 Sorry to anybody on the mailing list, but that's life! David wherever you are? Tried contacting you bye-mail, but no reply. Out here in sunny Rhodes. R.S.V.P === George _____________________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 23:34:54 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA12217 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:34:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA16851 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:34:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49674-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:17:19 +0200 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.211]:21113 "EHLO mail4.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49667-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:16:54 +0200 Received: from modem-55.osmium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.37.183] helo=johnnateare) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11EJGO-0002pm-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:16:52 +0100 Message-ID: <000201bee376$7b3576a0$5421883e@johnnateare> From: "Johnna Teare" To: References: <19990810093618.75741.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:16:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 46 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1265 [god i hate the way outlook puts the reply message afterwards...] regarding sam manic miner - i seem to remember pressing teh nmi button put the game in test mode, but i didn't know anything from there. There was a cheat wherby you could press f9 and willy would turn green (nurse?) and become invincible, but i can't remember it, or be bothered digging out my sam to load it up again. anybody? Peace Love and Kisses, [JohnnaPig Teare] [johnnapig@theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk] [www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk] ----- Original Message ----- From: Rob Smith To: Sent: Tuesday, August 10, 1999 10:36 AM Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy > > > > > > For the Sam "Manic Miner" > > > >Which screen(s) in particular? > > > >Andrew > > I was actualy looking for an infinite live cheat for that one, it's a great > game but I'm prety rubbish at it... I always get so far then die stupidly > and have to start over and spend another half hour getting to where I last > died only to get killed just a fraction further on. maybe I need to develop > my learning curve. > > Rob > > > ______________________________________________________ > Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmail.com > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 10 23:35:08 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA12216 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:34:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA16847 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:34:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49607-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:17:17 +0200 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.211]:21625 "EHLO mail4.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49674-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:16:55 +0200 Received: from modem-55.osmium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.37.183] helo=johnnateare) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11EJGP-0002pm-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 22:16:53 +0100 Message-ID: <000301bee376$7bfd5a80$5421883e@johnnateare> From: "Johnna Teare" To: References: <19990810093618.75741.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Down neddy... Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 12:20:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 301 Anybody got any ideas on how to slow SIMCoupe down when running in W98? It's way too fast to do anything on...nothing like the SAM then...ha ha ha. I'm knocking up a SAM hints, tips and cheats page as we speak so if anybody has any to add, please mail them to me: johnnapig@deathsdoor.com cheers. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 00:00:02 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA13374 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:00:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA23269 for ; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:59:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49667-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:56:47 +0200 Received: from imo21.mx.aol.com ([IPv6:::ffff:198.81.17.65]:14603 "EHLO imo21.mx.aol.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49602-20447>; Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:56:36 +0200 Received: from Gouranga@aol.com by imo21.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id iDVHa20495 (15548); Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:41:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Gouranga@aol.com Message-ID: <6ef1edc9.24e1f696@aol.com> Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 17:41:42 EDT Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy To: Rob Smith , sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL NetMail version 2.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 446 > Couple of questions to anyone who can answer them... > > What are Colin McDonald and Colin Anderson of FRED fame up to these days? Colin Anderson completed his degree, and is now working towards being a Chartered Accountant somewhere in Nottingham. And myself, I'm still doing games - up at DMA Design. I'm Producer on Grand Theft Auto 2 which comes out in just a few months, so the (unpaid!) overtime is only getting marginally tedious.... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 02:17:33 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id CAA21032 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:17:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id CAA25379 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:17:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49708-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:10:53 +0200 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.23]:16428 "EHLO mail11.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49704-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:10:34 +0200 Received: from modem-34.beryllium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.1.162] helo=atlantic) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11ELyR-00017s-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:10:32 +0100 Message-ID: <01de01bee38d$ee0a5120$a517883e@atlantic> From: "Dave Hooper" To: References: <19990810093618.75741.qmail@hotmail.com> <000301bee376$7bfd5a80$5421883e@johnnateare> Subject: Re: Down neddy... Date: Tue, 10 Aug 1999 23:58:44 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 271 > Anybody got any ideas on how to slow SIMCoupe down when running in W98? It's > way too fast to do anything on...nothing like the SAM then...ha ha ha. Urm, can't you just tell SimCoupe to sync to a 50Hz timer? It's on one of the menus, I'm sure (F6 or whatever) dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 02:17:48 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id CAA21031 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:17:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id CAA25374 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:17:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49709-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:10:51 +0200 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.23]:16940 "EHLO mail11.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49708-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:10:34 +0200 Received: from modem-34.beryllium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.1.162] helo=atlantic) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11ELyS-00017s-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:10:33 +0100 Message-ID: <01df01bee38d$eeaa88c0$a517883e@atlantic> From: "Dave Hooper" To: References: <19990810093618.75741.qmail@hotmail.com> Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:02:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 862 > I was actualy looking for an infinite live cheat for that one, it's a great > game but I'm prety rubbish at it... I always get so far then die stupidly > and have to start over and spend another half hour getting to where I last > died only to get killed just a fraction further on. maybe I need to develop > my learning curve. > > Rob As far as I remember, there ain't no infinite lives *cheat* unless you POKE it yrself. There is a level skip cheat, though. There's two versions of Manic Miner: Bug Byte version: type 6031769 A 'boot' will appear and you can skip level by holding down the 6 key and also a combination of keys from 1 to 5. (eg press 6+1+3 at the same time, etc) Software Projects version: as above, but the cheat is TYPEWRITER ps - I just laughed when I got told 6031769 was also I cheat in Grand Theft Auto. I lurve DMA for it. dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 02:31:21 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id CAA21831 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:31:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id CAA28597 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:31:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49709-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:27:21 +0200 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.41]:43528 "EHLO finch-post-12.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49704-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:27:12 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11EMEZ-0006Xt-0C for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:27:11 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:25:40 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: <37AF28C5.972FCD@bonbon.net> <19990810152542Z49457-20447+294@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> In-Reply-To: <19990810152542Z49457-20447+294@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 512 Status: RO X-Lines: 22 In message <19990810152542Z49457-20447+294@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no>, James R Curry writes > > >> Graham Goring wrote: >> >> > www.duketastrophy.demon.co.uk >> >> Should that be read "duke catastrophe" or "duck catasrophe"? > >Hmm, that's a real quizibuk. Hello? Webster? How much to make dukelicious a word? Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 02:31:21 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id CAA21833 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:31:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id CAA28601 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:31:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49711-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:28:51 +0200 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.39]:5395 "EHLO finch-post-11.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49708-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:28:34 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11EMFt-000MuJ-0B for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:28:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:27:27 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: <19990809141932.77096.qmail@hotmail.com> <37AF28C5.972FCD@bonbon.net> <37B00C9F.1BFDF95C@bonbon.net> <37B04D1A.56777769@bonbon.net> In-Reply-To: <37B04D1A.56777769@bonbon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 553 Status: RO X-Lines: 17 In message <37B04D1A.56777769@bonbon.net>, Martin Fitzpatrick writes >Funnier than The Simpsons? I dont believe it. Is is around in the UK >then?... Besides, I hate TMNT (or more accurately TMHT).... I can't >believe there was talk of putting "Cowabunga" in the dictionary. It's only been run on The Paramount Comedy channel and Bravo, I'm afraid. Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 02:31:22 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id CAA21835 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:31:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id CAA28604 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:31:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49708-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:28:53 +0200 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.39]:4627 "EHLO finch-post-11.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49704-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 02:28:34 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11EMFt-000MuI-0B for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 00:28:33 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 01:26:51 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: <37B01657.62216977@bonbon.net> <37B04E9F.7EA0ED46@bonbon.net> In-Reply-To: <37B04E9F.7EA0ED46@bonbon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 380 Status: RO X-Lines: 14 In message <37B04E9F.7EA0ED46@bonbon.net>, Martin Fitzpatrick writes >HTH : Hand To Heart (I'm being honest) Surely that'd be HOH, Hand *ON* Heart? (Or Head Over Heels... Eek!) Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 07:58:08 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id HAA10367 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:58:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id HAA21357 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:57:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49316-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:54:32 +0200 Received: from penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se ([IPv6:::ffff:194.237.142.110]:51352 "EHLO penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49275-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:54:28 +0200 Received: from edh3.edh.ericsson.se (edh3.edh.ericsson.se [193.180.212.12]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id HAA10614 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:54:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from asmal.edh.ericsson.se (asmal [193.180.212.34]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id HAA10244 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:54:24 +0200 (MET DST) From: Frode Tenneboe Received: by asmal.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1b+Sun/client-1.7) id HAA13313; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:54:24 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199908110554.HAA13313@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 07:54:23 +0200 (MET DST) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: removals X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 539 I have just unsubscirbed these two addresses from the list due to failure of delivery. Please notify if you have an alternative address. Stephen Harding sh5655@bristol.ac.uk Dean Liversidge d.liversidge@uk.insight.com -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: ft@edh.ericsson.se ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. | Isebakkeveien 49 | | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | N-1788 Halden | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 10:00:24 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA17483 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:00:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA21053 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 10:00:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49505-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:56:14 +0200 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.70]:5515 "EHLO red.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49492-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 09:55:58 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11ETEp-0006pd-00; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:55:55 +0100 Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 08:55:55 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy In-Reply-To: <01df01bee38d$eeaa88c0$a517883e@atlantic> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 32 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 1269 On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Dave Hooper wrote: > As far as I remember, there ain't no infinite lives *cheat* unless you POKE > it yrself. > There is a level skip cheat, though. There's two versions of Manic Miner: > > Bug Byte version: type 6031769 > Software Projects version: as above, but the cheat is TYPEWRITER Or three, if you count the Sam version which is the one everybody's talking about... neither of the above cheats work... Note that if you press the NMI (Break) Button, the words "TEST MODE" appear flashing at the bottom left of the scren. I remeber talking to David Ledbury some time ago, and he said they put that "feature" in just to see how many people would write to them about it, saying "I've got into the test mode, but nothing else changes" or whatever.... Then again, I think someone mentioned that in fact there actually was a cheat, but didn't say what it was. Oh well, tricky to find out at this stage without hacking the code. Hmmm, did somebody mention something about adding a debugger to SimCoupe? Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 13:21:27 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA28897 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:21:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA18173 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:21:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49560-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:18:39 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:50692 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49579-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:18:25 +0200 Received: from ppp-b190.networksplus.net ([199.240.135.190]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:20:18 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:17:55 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy In-reply-to: References: <19990810152542Z49457-20447+294@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990811111835Z49579-20447+454@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 476 > Hello? Webster? How much to make dukelicious a word? > > Graham Goring >From memory: ...Playing scrabble. Duke: There. "Quizibuk". Jay: That's not a word! Duke: Get Webster on the phone. Hey, how you doing? How much to make "Quizibuk" a word? What's it mean? Oh, I dunno. A big problem. What about that other word I invented, "Dukelicious"? No- one's using it?! What a Duketastrophy! -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 13:21:41 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA28896 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:21:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA18155 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:21:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49535-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:11:58 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:33028 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49542-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:11:40 +0200 Received: from ppp-b190.networksplus.net ([199.240.135.190]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:13:29 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:11:46 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy In-reply-to: <37B04D1A.56777769@bonbon.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990811111153Z49542-20447+452@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 358 > Funnier than The Simpsons? I dont believe it. Is is around in the UK > then?... Besides, I hate TMNT (or more accurately TMHT).... I can't > believe there was talk of putting "Cowabunga" in the dictionary. "The Critic" is, IMHO, one of the finest shows ever to grace television. -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 13:21:41 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA28895 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:21:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA18168 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:21:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49543-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:13:08 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:35844 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49539-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 13:12:46 +0200 Received: from ppp-b190.networksplus.net ([199.240.135.190]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:14:35 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 06:12:52 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy In-reply-to: <37B04E9F.7EA0ED46@bonbon.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990811111257Z49539-20447+453@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 164 > ..Still have no idea what a quizibuk is though (James) Oh, I dunno. A big problem... :) -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 15:13:32 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id PAA05246 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:13:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id PAA04845 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:13:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49659-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:09:43 +0200 Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.22]:39186 "EHLO mail9.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49715-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:09:14 +0200 Received: from modem-90.amlodipine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.50.218] helo=johnnateare) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11EY80-0002q6-01 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:09:13 +0100 Message-ID: <003601bee3fb$8a0914e0$b725883e@johnnateare> From: "Johnna Teare" To: References: <19990811111153Z49542-20447+452@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:12:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 883 How about the episode of The Simspons where Jay Sherman comes to visit Springfield? Surely the best of both worlds (although the episode was a bit crap if I remember - me not like The Critic...) Peace Love and Kisses, [JohnnaPig Teare] [johnnapig@theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk] [www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk] ----- Original Message ----- From: James R Curry To: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 7:11 AM Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy > > > Funnier than The Simpsons? I dont believe it. Is is around in the UK > > then?... Besides, I hate TMNT (or more accurately TMHT).... I can't > > believe there was talk of putting "Cowabunga" in the dictionary. > > "The Critic" is, IMHO, one of the finest shows ever to grace > television. > -- > James R Curry - James@curry.com > > "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 15:13:32 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id PAA05242 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:13:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id PAA04835 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:13:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49721-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:09:41 +0200 Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.22]:34578 "EHLO mail9.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49659-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:09:14 +0200 Received: from modem-90.amlodipine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.50.218] helo=johnnateare) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11EY7w-0002q6-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:09:08 +0100 Message-ID: <003301bee3fb$8738dde0$b725883e@johnnateare> From: "Johnna Teare" To: References: <199908110554.HAA13313@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> Subject: Re: removals Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:09:04 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1032 Frode, You might want to unsub my old address aswell... j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk Can't remember if I ever unsubbed and I certainly have no plans to go back to _that_ place again! Cheers. Peace Love and Kisses, [JohnnaPig Teare] [johnnapig@theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk] [www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk] ----- Original Message ----- From: Frode Tenneboe To: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 6:54 AM Subject: removals I have just unsubscirbed these two addresses from the list due to failure of delivery. Please notify if you have an alternative address. Stephen Harding sh5655@bristol.ac.uk Dean Liversidge d.liversidge@uk.insight.com -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: ft@edh.ericsson.se ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. | Isebakkeveien 49 | | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | N-1788 Halden | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 15:13:46 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id PAA05240 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:13:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id PAA04820 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:13:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49658-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:09:40 +0200 Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.22]:38418 "EHLO mail9.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49721-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:09:16 +0200 Received: from modem-90.amlodipine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.50.218] helo=johnnateare) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11EY7x-0002q6-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:09:09 +0100 Message-ID: <003401bee3fb$87e857c0$b725883e@johnnateare> From: "Johnna Teare" To: References: Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 14:10:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 542 From: Andrew Collier To: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 8:55 AM Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy > > Note that if you press the NMI (Break) Button, the words "TEST MODE" > appear flashing at the bottom left of the scren. I remeber talking to > David Ledbury some time ago, and he said they put that "feature" in just > to see how many people would write to them about it, saying "I've got into > the test mode, but nothing else changes" or whatever.... ha ha ha - hilarious eh? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 15:39:01 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id PAA06789 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:38:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id PAA24214 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:38:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49722-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:35:41 +0200 Received: from penguin-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se ([IPv6:::ffff:194.237.142.110]:50650 "EHLO penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49543-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:35:18 +0200 Received: from edh3.edh.ericsson.se (edh3.edh.ericsson.se [193.180.212.12]) by penguin.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id PAA09523 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:35:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from asmal.edh.ericsson.se (asmal [193.180.212.34]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id PAA06619 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:35:10 +0200 (MET DST) From: Frode Tenneboe Received: by asmal.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1b+Sun/client-1.7) id PAA13874; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:35:10 +0200 (MET DST) Message-Id: <199908111335.PAA13874@asmal.edh.ericsson.se> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 15:35:09 +0200 (MET DST) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re[2]: removals In-Reply-To: <003301bee3fb$8738dde0$b725883e@johnnateare> X-Mailer: Ishmail 1.3.4-990530-sol MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 657 "Johnna Teare" wrote: > Frode, > > You might want to unsub my old address aswell... > > j.d.teare@uclan.ac.uk > > Can't remember if I ever unsubbed and I certainly have no plans to go back > to _that_ place again! *sigh* I ain't your mum you know....but if it's just this once... :) -Frode PS: Fix your quoting.... -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: ft@edh.ericsson.se ^ | Ericsson Radar AS. | Isebakkeveien 49 | | Phone: +47 69 21 41 47 | N-1788 Halden | | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer; | From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 17:43:26 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA13732 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:43:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA20778 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:43:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49747-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:34:52 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:39956 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49757-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 17:34:35 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-1-141.cvx2.telinco.net [212.1.144.141]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id A0A01639FE for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 11:34:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37B197E6.177B6D74@bonbon.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:33:58 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: <37B01657.62216977@bonbon.net> <37B04E9F.7EA0ED46@bonbon.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 627 Graham Goring wrote: > > In message <37B04E9F.7EA0ED46@bonbon.net>, Martin Fitzpatrick > writes > >HTH : Hand To Heart (I'm being honest) > > Surely that'd be HOH, Hand *ON* Heart? (Or Head Over Heels... Eek!) Dont argue with *me*... I only mindlessly cut and paste from search engines. ...They have some obscure acronyms on there... And the definition of "MI5" is "British version of FBI".... Pretty lame for something which is supposed to explain what acronyms stand for. Perhaps the MI5 should be called BVOFBI? Martin -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 21:07:45 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA24750 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:07:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA20661 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:07:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49747-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:03:16 +0200 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.211]:61286 "EHLO mail4.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49742-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:03:02 +0200 Received: from modem-60.achilles-tang.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.221.60] helo=atlantic) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Ede9-0008K2-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:02:45 +0100 Message-ID: <005d01bee42c$19f47e20$3cdd883e@atlantic> From: "Dave Hooper" To: References: Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:55:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 571 > > There is a level skip cheat, though. There's two versions of Manic Miner: > > Or three, if you count the Sam version which is the one everybody's > talking about... neither of the above cheats work... Sorry - I msut've got confused between this thread and the one asking for help with Strontium Dog, etc > Hmmm, did somebody mention something about adding a debugger to SimCoupe? I thought there already WAS one, but you had to compile it in yourself from the source. Never tried it, though. (My djgpp setup didn't seem to like Allan's makefile :( dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 21:07:45 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA24749 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:07:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA20654 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:07:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49592-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:54:30 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:12725 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49543-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:54:07 +0200 Received: from [212.140.70.20] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11EdVl-0002b5-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:54:05 +0100 Message-ID: <00f501bee46e$05ee6e80$14468cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re : SUUG Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:34:33 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 381 -----Original Message----- From: michael sleight To: sam user Date: 05 August 1999 15:48 >Hi Bob > >If you can remember SUUG you have to be old and grey! > >Can you tell me what it was please? > >Mick Sleight > > Older and greyer...... Spectrum Unemployed User Group... Did you forget mister... Bob Wilkinson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 21:07:45 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA24747 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:07:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA20645 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:07:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49525-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:54:29 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:14005 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49592-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:54:10 +0200 Received: from [212.140.70.20] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11EdVm-0002b5-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:54:07 +0100 Message-ID: <00f601bee46e$06b7d900$14468cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Re. I hate Outlook Express. Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:40:23 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 590 Martin Fitzpatrick Wrote. There are loads of email programs out there (if thats what you mean)... As for free ones, now thats a different matter. Presumably this is for Win95/98 ...I use Netscape (the whole caboodle) but I don't know whats better than that - no doubt *something* is cos frankly its a bit clunky (but free!). Try: http://www.download.com and search for 'email' (or something similar)... You'll get the lot then! Thanks Martin. I found Navigator on a CD. Tried it. Also downloaded Acorn E-mail. Have now reapraised my views on Outlook Express. Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 21:07:45 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA24748 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:07:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA20634 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:07:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49542-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:54:27 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:15797 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49629-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:54:12 +0200 Received: from [212.140.70.20] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11EdVq-0002b5-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:54:10 +0100 Message-ID: <00f701bee46e$08b70460$14468cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Re: I hate Outlook Express Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:49:25 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 571 James Gasson Wrote. I asked roughly this question on comp.os.os2.networking.misc sometime last year, and got the following reply: Thanks for the reply James. I tried a couple of different programs. Netscape Navigator and Acorn E-mail. Both Lack features that Im using in Outlook Express. Ditched Navigator via the control panel. Guess what... Outlook wouldn't start. Curses.!! Re-installed Outlook Express so all is well. Acorn E-mail is OK for what it is but Outlook is better. It would be I suppose. Acorn comes as a zip file of 1.44 Mb, Bob Wilkinson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 21:07:59 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA24746 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:07:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA20640 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:07:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49629-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:54:28 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:11445 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49525-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:54:10 +0200 Received: from [212.140.70.20] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11EdVj-0002b5-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:54:03 +0100 Message-ID: <00f401bee46e$047eb1e0$14468cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Re . Does anyone use the Simcoupe. Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:32:44 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 339 Lars Persson Wrote I have n't used SimCoupe that much, but I can't run it from Windows 9x very well. Well it crashes. Have noticed so many other bad things with it. Ok the sound emulation could be on a real time basis so my Sample Editor would work properly. :-) So What other problems have you found on the Simcoupe. Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 21:07:59 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA24745 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:07:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA20630 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:07:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49643-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:54:25 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:17077 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49542-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:54:16 +0200 Received: from [212.140.70.20] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11EdVs-0002b5-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:54:12 +0100 Message-ID: <00f801bee46e$09f5ed00$14468cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Funny Thing Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:53:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 65 Hey my eyes went funny today at about 10 past 11 Did yours.... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 21:58:17 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA27389 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:58:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA09975 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:58:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49542-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:54:20 +0200 Received: from server0.screaming.net ([IPv6:::ffff:212.49.224.1]:15116 "EHLO server0.screaming.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49592-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:54:10 +0200 Received: from ukonline.co.uk (dyn241-ras8.screaming.net [212.49.231.241]) by server0.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA29390 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:04:10 +0100 Message-ID: <37B1D561.C0F5C2A4@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 20:56:17 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Re. I hate Outlook Express. References: <00f601bee46e$06b7d900$14468cd4@default> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 727 Robert Wilkinson wrote: > > Martin Fitzpatrick Wrote. > > There are loads of email programs out there (if thats what you mean)... > As for free ones, now thats a different matter. Presumably this is for > Win95/98 ...I use Netscape (the whole caboodle) but I don't know whats > better than that - no doubt *something* is cos frankly its a bit clunky > (but free!). Try: http://www.download.com and search for 'email' (or > something similar)... You'll get the lot then! > Well for newsgroups and sending emails I recommend Forte's Free Agent. A brilliant bit of software and free!! However it doesn't receive emails but netscape is fine for that anyway its just newsgroups its not so good at. Its what I use anyway. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 22:31:52 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA29475 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:31:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA23189 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:31:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49592-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:30:01 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:17386 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49375-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:29:46 +0200 Received: from [62.172.30.185] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11Ef0K-0006C2-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:29:44 +0100 Message-ID: <000601bee47b$62f0a140$b91eac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Password Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:27:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 98 Does anyone know why Outlook Express will not remember my password. Bob Wilkinson. (frustrated) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 22:32:07 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA29474 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:31:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA23186 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:31:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49525-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:29:40 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:10986 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49375-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:29:31 +0200 Received: from [62.172.30.185] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11Ef00-00065z-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:29:27 +0100 Message-ID: <000501bee47b$574061a0$b91eac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Re. I hate Outlook Express. Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:24:40 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1073 -----Original Message----- From: Martin Wilson To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 11 August 1999 13:00 Subject: Re: Re. I hate Outlook Express. > > >Robert Wilkinson wrote: >> >> Martin Fitzpatrick Wrote. >> >> There are loads of email programs out there (if thats what you mean)... >> As for free ones, now thats a different matter. Presumably this is for >> Win95/98 ...I use Netscape (the whole caboodle) but I don't know whats >> better than that - no doubt *something* is cos frankly its a bit clunky >> (but free!). Try: http://www.download.com and search for 'email' (or >> something similar)... You'll get the lot then! >> > >Well for newsgroups and sending emails I recommend Forte's Free Agent. A >brilliant bit of software and free!! > >However it doesn't receive emails but netscape is fine for that anyway >its just newsgroups its not so good at. Its what I use anyway. > I'm not totaly sure that I get your drift. Are you saying that Forte's is good at sending but not at receiving. Bob Wilkinson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 22:42:29 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA29923 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:42:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA26566 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:42:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49592-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:41:03 +0200 Received: from server0.screaming.net ([IPv6:::ffff:212.49.224.1]:8503 "EHLO server0.screaming.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49542-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:40:42 +0200 Received: from ukonline.co.uk (dyn241-ras8.screaming.net [212.49.231.241]) by server0.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04463 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:50:42 +0100 Message-ID: <37B1E03B.F8A71275@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:42:35 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Re. I hate Outlook Express. References: <000501bee47b$574061a0$b91eac3e@default> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 716 Robert Wilkinson wrote: > >However it doesn't receive emails but netscape is fine for that anyway > >its just newsgroups its not so good at. Its what I use anyway. > > > > I'm not totaly sure that I get your drift. > > Are you saying that Forte's is good at sending but not at receiving. > > Bob Wilkinson Yes it doesn't receive emails. Its slightly restricted being the free version. Its a full featured newsgroup package and you can send emails from it but not receive. Of course cough up for the full package and you'll get that too plus killfile options. I know your probably thinking 'can't receive emails, what a pile of rubbish' but check it out anyway if you deal with newsgroups you won't regret it. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 22:48:50 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA00197 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:48:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA28801 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:48:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49643-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:43:20 +0200 Received: from server0.screaming.net ([IPv6:::ffff:212.49.224.1]:43588 "EHLO server0.screaming.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49629-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:43:09 +0200 Received: from ukonline.co.uk (dyn241-ras8.screaming.net [212.49.231.241]) by server0.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA04863 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:52:59 +0100 Message-ID: <37B1E0CF.13CD5AD0@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:45:03 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Password References: <000601bee47b$62f0a140$b91eac3e@default> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 306 Robert Wilkinson wrote: > > Does anyone know why Outlook Express will not remember my password. > > Bob Wilkinson. (frustrated) Well I don't use Outlook myself (I hate it) but here's my guess, its because you have multiple users/profiles for outlook so it doesn't keep passwords for security reasons. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 22:53:22 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA00568 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:53:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA00927 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:53:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49592-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:51:01 +0200 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.211]:28724 "EHLO mail4.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49375-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:50:37 +0200 Received: from modem-68.manisyl.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.77.196] helo=default) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11EfKQ-0007ac-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:50:31 +0100 Message-ID: <005401bee40e$fdbc3e40$c44d883e@default> From: "michael sleight" To: References: Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 16:34:17 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1720 Andrew Try Bob Wilkinson. He did a very good debugger (excuse the language), called SINGLE STEP, for the Speccy. I'm sure he converted it for the SAM or was it the Amstrad. Ask him anyway, he needs a project. Mick Sleight ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Collier To: Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 8:55 AM Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy > On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Dave Hooper wrote: > > > As far as I remember, there ain't no infinite lives *cheat* unless you POKE > > it yrself. > > There is a level skip cheat, though. There's two versions of Manic Miner: > > > > Bug Byte version: type 6031769 > > Software Projects version: as above, but the cheat is TYPEWRITER > > Or three, if you count the Sam version which is the one everybody's > talking about... neither of the above cheats work... > > Note that if you press the NMI (Break) Button, the words "TEST MODE" > appear flashing at the bottom left of the scren. I remeber talking to > David Ledbury some time ago, and he said they put that "feature" in just > to see how many people would write to them about it, saying "I've got into > the test mode, but nothing else changes" or whatever.... > > Then again, I think someone mentioned that in fact there actually was a > cheat, but didn't say what it was. Oh well, tricky to find out at this > stage without hacking the code. > > Hmmm, did somebody mention something about adding a debugger to SimCoupe? > > Andrew > > -- > -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other > -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a > -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file > -- > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 23:44:30 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA03199 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:44:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA19041 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:44:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49748-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:40:56 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:61069 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49747-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:40:35 +0200 Received: from [62.172.29.196] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11Eg6o-0003gV-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:40:30 +0100 Message-ID: <001701bee485$46270c20$c41dac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Re. I hate Outlook Express. Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:35:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 977 Ok, I'll give it a look at. Thanks. Bob W -----Original Message----- From: Martin Wilson To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 11 August 1999 13:46 Subject: Re: Re. I hate Outlook Express. > > >Robert Wilkinson wrote: > >> >However it doesn't receive emails but netscape is fine for that anyway >> >its just newsgroups its not so good at. Its what I use anyway. >> > >> >> I'm not totaly sure that I get your drift. >> >> Are you saying that Forte's is good at sending but not at receiving. >> >> Bob Wilkinson > >Yes it doesn't receive emails. Its slightly restricted being the free >version. Its a full featured newsgroup package and you can send emails >from it but not receive. Of course cough up for the full package and >you'll get that too plus killfile options. I know your probably thinking >'can't receive emails, what a pile of rubbish' but check it out anyway >if you deal with newsgroups you won't regret it. > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 11 23:44:44 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA03198 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:44:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA19038 for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:44:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49742-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:40:55 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:63885 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49748-20447>; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:40:37 +0200 Received: from [62.172.29.196] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11Eg6q-0003gV-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:40:32 +0100 Message-ID: <001801bee485$47984f60$c41dac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Password Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 22:37:14 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 536 Ahh!! Thanks I'll look at that. Bob W. -----Original Message----- From: Martin Wilson To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 11 August 1999 13:46 Subject: Re: Password > > >Robert Wilkinson wrote: >> >> Does anyone know why Outlook Express will not remember my password. >> >> Bob Wilkinson. (frustrated) > >Well I don't use Outlook myself (I hate it) but here's my guess, its >because you have multiple users/profiles for outlook so it doesn't keep >passwords for security reasons. > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 00:26:02 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA05508 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:26:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA01366 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:25:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49742-20447>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:24:16 +0200 Received: from black-sun.demon.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:212.228.147.62]:4612 "HELO black-sun.demon.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49745-20447>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:24:06 +0200 Received: from black-sun ([127.0.0.1]) by black-sun.demon.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.0.0.990) id BLCK3211177AB for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:55:09 +0100 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:55:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy Message-ID: References: In-reply-to: <19990811111835Z49579-20447+454@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 354 > problem. What about that other word I invented, "Dukelicious"? No- > one's using it?! What a Duketastrophy! Mm. Sounds like The Tick was a damn sight funnier. Orders of magnitude, in fact. Paul -- A good hacker should never leave a trail. A GREAT hacker leaves a fake trail. -- Robert A. Allen, quoting Hacker X in news.admin.net-abuse.email From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 01:13:36 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA08110 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:13:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA15743 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:13:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49749-20447>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:12:13 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:16907 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49748-20447> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:11:51 +0200 Received: from [195.8.76.26] (helo=du-019-0026.claranet.co.uk) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11EhXB-000GcO-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:11:50 +0100 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Re : SUUG Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:12:17 GMT Message-ID: <37b2016e.42455476@relay.clara.net> References: <00f501bee46e$05ee6e80$14468cd4@default> In-Reply-To: <00f501bee46e$05ee6e80$14468cd4@default> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 219 On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:34:33 -0700 Wed, 11 Aug 99 23:35:44 BST, "Robert Wilkinson" wrote: > > >Spectrum Unemployed User Group... Didn't Derek Morgan have something to do with that too? Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 01:13:51 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA08109 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:13:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA15740 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:13:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49745-20447>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:11:34 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:8971 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49742-20447> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:11:24 +0200 Received: from [195.8.76.26] (helo=du-019-0026.claranet.co.uk) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11EhWk-000Gbw-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:11:22 +0100 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: ooer Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:11:50 GMT Message-ID: <37b3027f.42728868@relay.clara.net> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 137 Did anyone see Martin & Maria dancing naked in the moon shadow at Marazion on the telly this (oh hang on) yesterday morning? RFC Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 01:35:16 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA09344 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:35:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA21804 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:35:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49761-20447>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:32:55 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:5297 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49763-20447>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:32:41 +0200 Received: from [212.140.75.111] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11EhrL-00070c-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:32:40 +0100 Message-ID: <001701bee494$effd4c00$6f4b8cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:31:53 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 70 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 2054 Did it for Spectrum then CPC6128 finally Sam. Lerm got the Credits Though.. Bob W. -----Original Message----- From: michael sleight To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 11 August 1999 13:54 Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy >Andrew > >Try Bob Wilkinson. He did a very good debugger (excuse the language), >called SINGLE STEP, for the Speccy. I'm sure he converted it for the SAM or >was it the Amstrad. Ask him anyway, he needs a project. > > >Mick Sleight > >----- Original Message ----- >From: Andrew Collier >To: >Sent: Wednesday, August 11, 1999 8:55 AM >Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy > > >> On Wed, 11 Aug 1999, Dave Hooper wrote: >> >> > As far as I remember, there ain't no infinite lives *cheat* unless you >POKE >> > it yrself. >> > There is a level skip cheat, though. There's two versions of Manic >Miner: >> > >> > Bug Byte version: type 6031769 >> > Software Projects version: as above, but the cheat is TYPEWRITER >> >> Or three, if you count the Sam version which is the one everybody's >> talking about... neither of the above cheats work... >> >> Note that if you press the NMI (Break) Button, the words "TEST MODE" >> appear flashing at the bottom left of the scren. I remeber talking to >> David Ledbury some time ago, and he said they put that "feature" in just >> to see how many people would write to them about it, saying "I've got into >> the test mode, but nothing else changes" or whatever.... >> >> Then again, I think someone mentioned that in fact there actually was a >> cheat, but didn't say what it was. Oh well, tricky to find out at this >> stage without hacking the code. >> >> Hmmm, did somebody mention something about adding a debugger to SimCoupe? >> >> Andrew >> >> -- >> -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other >> -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a >> -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file >> -- >> >> > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 01:35:31 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA09343 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:35:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA21801 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:35:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49768-20447>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:32:54 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:4785 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49761-20447>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:32:41 +0200 Received: from [212.140.75.111] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11EhrK-00070c-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:32:38 +0100 Message-ID: <001601bee494$ef33e180$6f4b8cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Re : SUUG Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:28:50 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 450 Seems to Ring a bell. Mick Sleight had it as well. Bob.. -----Original Message----- From: Dave Whitmore To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 11 August 1999 16:16 Subject: Re: Re : SUUG On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:34:33 -0700 Wed, 11 Aug 99 23:35:44 BST, "Robert Wilkinson" wrote: > > >Spectrum Unemployed User Group... Didn't Derek Morgan have something to do with that too? Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 02:21:03 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id CAA11792 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 02:21:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id CAA04697 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 02:21:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49781-20447>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 02:06:54 +0200 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.39]:48647 "EHLO finch-post-11.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49780-20447>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 02:06:41 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11EiOF-0002jA-0B for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:06:40 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:04:47 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy References: <19990811111835Z49579-20447+454@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 497 Status: RO X-Lines: 18 In message , Paul Walker writes >> problem. What about that other word I invented, "Dukelicious"? No- >> one's using it?! What a Duketastrophy! > >Mm. Sounds like The Tick was a damn sight funnier. Orders of magnitude, in >fact. No taste at all... Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 06:17:04 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id GAA25424 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 06:17:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id GAA13627 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 06:17:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49263-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 06:15:55 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:11529 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49276-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 06:15:39 +0200 Received: from man-ppp-b37.networksplus.net ([199.240.135.37]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:17:20 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 23:15:42 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy In-reply-to: References: <19990811111835Z49579-20447+454@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990812041546Z49276-10487+19@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 186 > Mm. Sounds like The Tick was a damn sight funnier. Orders of magnitude, in > fact. Ahh, what do you know? ;) -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 11:49:40 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA13785 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:49:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA15961 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:49:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49402-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:32:07 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:6157 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49360-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:31:53 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:39:09 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C22@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Funny Thing Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:39:01 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 11 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 307 Nah.. It was a government conspiracy. A cover-up, I tell you. :) > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Wilkinson [SMTP:Wilkinson40@tesco.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 3:53 AM > To: Sam Usergroup > Subject: Funny Thing > > Hey my eyes went funny today at about 10 past 11 > > Did yours.... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 11:55:58 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA14114 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:55:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA19665 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:55:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49402-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:54:07 +0200 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.38]:35080 "EHLO finch-post-10.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49360-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:53:45 +0200 Received: from tissoft.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.177] helo=postoffice.tissoft.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ErYL-000HsP-0A for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 09:53:42 +0000 Received: from tistemp3 by postoffice.tissoft.co.uk (8.9.1) id KAA07637; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:54:33 +0100 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <021501bee4a8$a2149890$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Screenshots wanted Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:54:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 54 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1940 Hi there! It's summer, which means lots of hot weather (maybe) and a lot of rain (definitely), but also lots of free time for a lot of you. Bored yet? If you fancy doing something fun and also something that'll help The Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years, here's the perfect solution: play loads of Speccy and SAM games! The YSRnRY needs your help. We need screenshots. Lot's of 'em. We've got screens for the vast majority of the games mentioned in the first thirty issues of YS, but that's not enough - we're aiming for as close to total coverage as possible. So, send us any screenshots you have made, or, if you're feeling particularly generous, pick an issue which has missing screenshots and fill in the gaps. Owners of Speccy game CDs like the WOS CD will find this much easier as they won't have to download some games before they play them. It'll be a good idea to send me a quick email before you do an issue's worth to verify that that issue hasn't been done yet. Any picture format is welcome, so long as it isn't compressed (so GIF, PCX, BMP and PNG is OK, but JPEG isn't). It doesn't matter if the shot includes the border or not (i.e. x128 screenshots includes a bit of the BORDER, Z80 doesn't) - I'll chop out the border later. One important thing to remember is that we're after in-game screenshots, NOT loading screens, nor front-ends. Send your screenshots to @the-den.clara.net e.g. z80@the-den.clara.net x128@the-den.clara.net wibble-emu@the-den.clara.net so I can distinguish between which emu took which shot and process them accordingly. Extra screenshots should appear on the site within the two weeks after you've sent them to me. Many thanks for any help you can give me. -- - Nick Humphries, via DejaNews - - (Home email nick@the-den.clara.net) - - The Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years - - http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/cover.htm - From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 12:03:16 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA14620 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:03:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA23336 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:03:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49372-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:55:57 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:10872 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49356-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:55:43 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-1-41.cvx2.telinco.net [212.1.144.41]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id CF12C639D7 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 05:55:26 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net> Date: Wed, 11 Aug 1999 21:01:48 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Funny Thing References: <00f801bee46e$09f5ed00$14468cd4@default> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1079 Robert Wilkinson wrote: > > Hey my eyes went funny today at about 10 past 11 > > Did yours.... Yeh mine did... But that might have had something to do with me looking directly at the sun (duh). Unintentional... but I was using them glasses & then my mate handed me a different (better) pair. So, still staring at the sun I removed the first pair, not realising (duh) that the other pair wouldn't suddenly start working and position themselves in front of my eyes. Momentary stunning. Ouch. Damn. A bit of "hmm, have I gone blind". Then realising that it was just a coloured blodge in my eyes. Which faded. Having said that, it carried on for a while. Maybe it was just psycho-somatic. On a similar subject.... I was thinking - in the future when they finally get around to producing 'eye headset' things - so you can watch tv while walking around. It'll be great ..no need to go to cornwall (or wherever). Just switch on BBC and stare at the sky.... It'll be like the real thing. Martin -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 12:27:49 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA15963 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:27:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA07242 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:27:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49169-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:25:36 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:5388 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49226-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:25:25 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA18991 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:25:23 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id LAA15744 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:25:17 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:25:16 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Funny Thing Message-ID: <19990812112516.A15460@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <00f801bee46e$09f5ed00$14468cd4@default> <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net>; from Martin Fitzpatrick on Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 09:01:48PM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 687 On Wed, Aug 11, 1999 at 09:01:48PM +0100, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > Robert Wilkinson wrote: > > Hey my eyes went funny today at about 10 past 11 > > Did yours.... No. > Yeh mine did... But that might have had something to do with me looking > directly at the sun (duh). What sun? > On a similar subject.... I was thinking - in the future when they > finally get around to producing 'eye headset' things - so you can watch > tv while walking around. It'll be great ..no need to go to cornwall (or > wherever). Sassen frassen rassen. Going to Cornwall was a complete waste of time. Not a single break in the cloud. It didn't even go properly dark like they said it would. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 12:38:03 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA16565 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:37:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA12389 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:37:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49360-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:35:46 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:32780 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49356-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:35:33 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19371 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:35:27 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id LAA15768 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:35:24 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:35:24 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted Message-ID: <19990812113524.B15460@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <021501bee4a8$a2149890$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <021501bee4a8$a2149890$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk>; from Nick Humphries on Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 10:54:09AM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 328 On Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 10:54:09AM +0100, Nick Humphries wrote: > Any picture format is welcome, so long as it isn't compressed (so GIF, > PCX, BMP and PNG is OK, but JPEG isn't). But GIF, PCX and PNG are compressed. You of course meant "lossily compressed", but then JPEG is just about the only format which does that. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 12:49:33 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA17196 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:49:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA18197 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:49:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49430-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:42:27 +0200 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.41]:41995 "EHLO finch-post-12.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49414-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:42:24 +0200 Received: from tissoft.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.177] helo=postoffice.tissoft.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11EsJS-0005VN-0C for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:42:22 +0000 Received: from tistemp3 by postoffice.tissoft.co.uk (8.9.1) id LAA09107; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:43:05 +0100 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <024e01bee4af$69cbb480$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:42:45 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 423 From: Ian Collier >On Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 10:54:09AM +0100, Nick Humphries wrote: >> Any picture format is welcome, so long as it isn't compressed (so GIF, >> PCX, BMP and PNG is OK, but JPEG isn't). > >But GIF, PCX and PNG are compressed. You of course meant "lossily >compressed", but then JPEG is just about the only format which does that. Bleah... you knew what I meant :) Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 13:03:10 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA18101 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:02:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA25467 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:02:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49360-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:02:19 +0200 Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.121.85]:49902 "EHLO gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49372-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:02:03 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip114.seattle14.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.97.114]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA10659 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:02:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <002101bee4b2$24c2a440$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <00f801bee46e$09f5ed00$14468cd4@default> <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net> Subject: Re: Funny Thing Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:02:17 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 595 From: Martin Fitzpatrick > Yeh mine did... But that might have had something to do with me looking > directly at the sun (duh). Unintentional... but I was using them > glasses & then my mate handed me a different (better) pair. So, still > staring at the sun I removed the first pair, not realising (duh) that > the other pair wouldn't suddenly start working and position themselves > in front of my eyes. 'sfunny... I used to stare at the sun for minutes at a time when I was younger... didn't affect me at all. ... now car headlights at night on the other hand... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 13:03:20 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA18100 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:02:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA25455 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:02:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49356-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:01:28 +0200 Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.121.85]:49388 "EHLO gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49226-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:01:18 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip114.seattle14.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.97.114]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id EAA09971 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:01:02 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001b01bee4b2$0205d1c0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <021501bee4a8$a2149890$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 04:01:18 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 646 From: Nick Humphries > One important thing to remember is that we're after in-game screenshots, > NOT loading screens, nor front-ends. > > Send your screenshots to @the-den.clara.net > > e.g. z80@the-den.clara.net > x128@the-den.clara.net > wibble-emu@the-den.clara.net > > so I can distinguish between which emu took which shot and process them > accordingly. Hmmm... what about screenshots that weren't taken by an emulator... like my SAM Lemmings, Prince of Persia and Exodus ones? You wouldn't happen to have a multirom@the-den.clara.net thingy set up would you? :) :) :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 13:11:56 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA18598 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:11:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA01431 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:11:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49428-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:10:18 +0200 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.38]:17930 "EHLO finch-post-10.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49402-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:09:59 +0200 Received: from tissoft.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.177] helo=postoffice.tissoft.co.uk) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Esk9-0006sx-0A for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 11:09:57 +0000 Received: from tistemp3 by postoffice.tissoft.co.uk (8.9.1) id MAA09739; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:10:48 +0100 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <027301bee4b3$497e5e90$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 12:10:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 469 -----Original Message----- From: Simon Cooke > >Hmmm... what about screenshots that weren't taken by an emulator... like my >SAM Lemmings, Prince of Persia and Exodus ones? You wouldn't happen to have >a multirom@the-den.clara.net thingy set up would you? :) :) :) As it happens, I can accept ANYTHING which ends with @the-den.clara.net - means I have an automatic filing system. The PoP screenshot would come in useful though. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 17:35:30 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA03245 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:35:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA26081 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:35:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49539-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:32:06 +0200 Received: from orange.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.77]:51434 "EHLO orange.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49531-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:31:58 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by orange.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11Ewpf-0005ju-00; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:31:55 +0100 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:31:55 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted In-Reply-To: <027301bee4b3$497e5e90$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 18 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 637 On Thu, 12 Aug 1999, Nick Humphries wrote: > As it happens, I can accept ANYTHING which ends with @the-den.clara.net - means > I have an automatic filing system. The PoP screenshot would come in useful > though. What about TV-card@the-den.clara.net then? I can take screenshots of programs which SimCoupe can't run, but (as has been discussed to death already) the quality isn't exactly perfect. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 17:58:13 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA04374 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:58:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA07354 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:58:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49584-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:36:45 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:7942 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49583-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:36:28 +0200 Received: from man-ppp-a251.networksplus.net ([198.243.69.251]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:38:33 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:36:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Funny Thing In-reply-to: <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990812153639Z49583-10487+99@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 585 > On a similar subject.... I was thinking - in the future when they > finally get around to producing 'eye headset' things - so you can watch > tv while walking around. It'll be great ..no need to go to cornwall (or > wherever). Just switch on BBC and stare at the sky.... It'll be like > the real thing. They already exist. And I *WANT* some...! Although there's no BBC in these parts. Still, I can stare at the sky and see typical FOX style sleaze. Interrupted every 3 minutes for commercials... ;p -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 17:58:13 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA04379 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:58:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA07364 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:58:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49581-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:36:48 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:3590 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49578-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:36:24 +0200 Received: from man-ppp-a251.networksplus.net ([198.243.69.251]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:38:22 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:36:30 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted In-reply-to: <024e01bee4af$69cbb480$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990812153639Z49578-10487+97@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 545 > >On Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 10:54:09AM +0100, Nick Humphries wrote: > >> Any picture format is welcome, so long as it isn't compressed (so GIF, > >> PCX, BMP and PNG is OK, but JPEG isn't). > > > >But GIF, PCX and PNG are compressed. You of course meant "lossily > >compressed", but then JPEG is just about the only format which does that. > > > Bleah... you knew what I meant :) > > Nick What about JPEG with the compression level set at zero? Is *THAT* alright? -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 17:58:13 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA04376 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:58:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA07361 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:58:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49583-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:36:47 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:4614 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49581-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:36:26 +0200 Received: from man-ppp-a251.networksplus.net ([198.243.69.251]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:38:27 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 10:36:31 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Funny Thing In-reply-to: <002101bee4b2$24c2a440$64a5fea9@simcooke3> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990812153639Z49581-10487+98@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 373 > 'sfunny... I used to stare at the sun for minutes at a time when I was > younger... didn't affect me at all. > > ... now car headlights at night on the other hand... > Simon, is it me, or does your email address change so frequently that we need a slow motion instant replay to keep up with it? -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 17:58:14 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA04386 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:58:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA07370 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:58:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49554-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:55:14 +0200 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.39]:44294 "EHLO finch-post-11.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49552-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:54:58 +0200 Received: from tissoft.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.177] helo=postoffice.tissoft.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ExBv-000Mpr-0B for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:54:55 +0000 Received: from tistemp3 by postoffice.tissoft.co.uk (8.9.1) id QAA20225; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:55:47 +0100 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <006f01bee4db$1a6fae10$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:55:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 148 From: James R Curry >What about JPEG with the compression level set at zero? Is *THAT* >alright? Yeah, that's fine. Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 17:58:29 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA04382 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:58:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA07367 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:58:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49531-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:54:26 +0200 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.41]:6408 "EHLO finch-post-12.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49558-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:54:03 +0200 Received: from tissoft.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.177] helo=postoffice.tissoft.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11ExB2-000Hud-0C for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 15:54:01 +0000 Received: from tistemp3 by postoffice.tissoft.co.uk (8.9.1) id QAA20181; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:54:52 +0100 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <006801bee4da$f9e91c80$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 16:54:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 328 -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Collier > >What about TV-card@the-den.clara.net then? I can take screenshots of >programs which SimCoupe can't run, but (as has been discussed to death >already) the quality isn't exactly perfect. That's fine - anything is better than nothing at the moment. Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 18:15:05 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA05274 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:15:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA15952 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:15:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49605-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:04:26 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:12818 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49589-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:04:08 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA24967 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:03:59 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id RAA16771 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:03:52 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:03:51 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted Message-ID: <19990812170351.D15460@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <006f01bee4db$1a6fae10$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <006f01bee4db$1a6fae10$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk>; from Nick Humphries on Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 04:55:30PM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1176 On Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 04:55:30PM +0100, Nick Humphries wrote: > From: James R Curry > >What about JPEG with the compression level set at zero? > Yeah, that's fine. Actually I doubt that very much, so it's better avoided. There *is* such a thing as "lossless jpeg" but it's hardly ever used. The cjpeg manual page has this to say. The -quality switch lets you trade off compressed file size against quality of the reconstructed image: the higher the quality setting, the larger the JPEG file, and the closer the output image will be to the original input. [snip] -quality 100 will generate a quantization table of all 1's, minimizing loss in the quantization step (but there is still information loss in subsampling, as well as roundoff error). This setting is mainly of interest for experimental pur- poses. Quality values above about 95 are not recommended for normal use; the compressed file size goes up dramati- cally for hardly any gain in output image quality. In other words, even if you set quality to 100% the JPEG will not be identical to the original image. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 18:15:05 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA05280 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:15:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA15957 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:15:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49612-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:08:45 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:14867 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49552-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:08:37 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:15:42 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C34@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Screenshots wanted Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 17:15:39 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 19 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 405 Isn't JPEG with 0 compression also known as TIFF? > -----Original Message----- > From: Nick Humphries [SMTP:nhum@tissoft.co.uk] > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 4:56 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted > > From: James R Curry > >What about JPEG with the compression level set at zero? Is *THAT* > > >alright? > > > Yeah, that's fine. > > > Nick > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 20:01:13 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA11215 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:01:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA27924 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:01:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49632-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:59:41 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:7184 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49612-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:59:24 +0200 Received: from [195.8.84.61] (helo=default) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Ez8L-000EJB-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:59:22 +0100 Message-ID: <37B30B27.6F9A@clara.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:57:59 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C34@mailhost.aculab.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1449 Justin Skists wrote: > Isn't JPEG with 0 compression also known as TIFF? > No! Joint Photographic Experts Group = Tagged Image File Format? TIFF is pretty much the standard bitmap graphic format for most types of repro work - scanned images for magazines, etc. TIFFs can be compressed using LZW (Lempel Ziv Welch) compression, never JPEG compression. Also they can be saved as either RGB (screen) or CMYK (print) separated. Personally, I prefer DCS EPS as they're a lot faster to print (and can be JPEG compressed, if necessary), but that seems to place me in a minority of one, and DCS doesn't work too well in most PC apps anyway. JPEG on the other hand is a rather nasty format on the whole (IMO). Sure, it makes tiny files which don't look too bad on screen, but when printed, all the blocks of colour (are they called 'artifacts' or something strange like that?) become _really_ obvious, even with minimal compression. They're RGB only, and they take a huge length of time to decompress when printing via even the newer RIPs... In fact, most times they'd be converted into TIFFs before printing. But now I'm getting all Pre-Press Bureau Nerd-y. Gordon The Pre-Press Bureau Guy With The Acronym Fetish. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 20:10:56 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA11645 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:10:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA00930 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:10:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49661-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:03:34 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:14098 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49771-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:03:23 +0200 Received: from [195.8.84.61] (helo=default) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11EzCE-000ES2-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:03:22 +0100 Message-ID: <37B30C18.6DD6@clara.net> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:02:00 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Persona Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 640 I had a call from David Ledbury earlier today asking me to remove his section from the Persona site, then a little while later to remove "the whole lot". I gather - but don't quote me on this - that it had something to do with something happening at his office today. Basically, the Persona site is down for the moment. I guess either David or I will be replacing it soon(?)... Watch this space. Gord. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 20:25:49 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA12342 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:25:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA05883 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:25:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49612-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:24:42 +0200 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.38]:16399 "EHLO finch-post-10.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49632-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:24:32 +0200 Received: from idalziel.demon.co.uk ([194.222.47.6]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11EzWg-000E3x-0A for Sam-users@nvg.unit.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:24:30 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:21:56 +0100 To: Sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: Funny Thing References: <00f801bee46e$09f5ed00$14468cd4@default> <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net> In-Reply-To: <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 X-Orcpt: rfc822;Sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 403 Status: RO X-Lines: 13 In article <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net>, Martin Fitzpatrick writes > But that might have had something to do with me looking >directly at the sun (duh). > A bit of "hmm, have I gone blind". Seems to me, if looking momentarily at the sun made you go blind, the only idea we'd have about what it looked like would come from stories told by blind people... -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 21:05:34 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA14528 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:05:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA17826 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:05:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49777-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:01:54 +0200 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.41]:36872 "EHLO finch-post-12.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49776-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:01:36 +0200 Received: from wholehog.demon.co.uk ([193.237.133.156]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11F06Y-000DNF-0C for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 19:01:34 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 20:01:25 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Stuart Brady Subject: Re: Funny Thing In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 254 Status: RO X-Lines: 9 Ian Dalziel wrote: >Seems to me, if looking momentarily at the sun made you go blind, the >only idea we'd have about what it looked like would come from stories >told by blind people... Your eyes _would_ be adjusted to the darkness... -- Stuart Brady From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 12 22:35:48 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA19335 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:35:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA14447 for ; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:35:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49776-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:33:36 +0200 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.214]:34626 "EHLO mail10.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49766-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:33:25 +0200 Received: from modem-99.plutonium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.46.227] helo=default) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11F1XL-0001iC-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 21:33:20 +0100 Message-ID: <001801bee456$2304f380$e32e883e@default> From: "michael sleight" To: References: <00f501bee46e$05ee6e80$14468cd4@default> <37b2016e.42455476@relay.clara.net> Subject: Re: Re : SUUG Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:03:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 476 Derek Morgan - That name rings a bell with me too - say more!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Dave Whitmore To: Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 12:12 AM Subject: Re: Re : SUUG > On Wed, 11 Aug 1999 19:34:33 -0700 Wed, 11 Aug 99 23:35:44 BST, > "Robert Wilkinson" wrote: > > > > > > >Spectrum Unemployed User Group... > > > Didn't Derek Morgan have something to do with that too? > > > Dave > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 00:00:39 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA24080 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:00:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA08793 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:00:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49779-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:58:44 +0200 Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.82]:14256 "EHLO praseodumium.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49479-10487>; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:58:41 +0200 Received: from [62.6.27.72] (helo=store.house) by praseodumium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11F2rp-0002EF-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 22:58:33 +0100 Received: from toy.house [192.168.116.10] by store.house with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11Eybz-00009d-00; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 18:25:55 +0100 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005401bee40e$fdbc3e40$c44d883e@default> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 00:39:13 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1164 >Andrew > >Try Bob Wilkinson. He did a very good debugger (excuse the language), >called SINGLE STEP, for the Speccy. I'm sure he converted it for the SAM or >was it the Amstrad. Ask him anyway, he needs a project. Ah, that's not quite the point - I already have a good sam-hosted single stepper (two good ones in fact... I generally use GI_Mon by Paul Horridge for that sort of thing because I like the GUI, but TurboMon is also good). But these both use part of Sam's memory, and naturally the Sam's CPU can't emulate itself at full speed (closer to 2% speed....) But something external to the Sam, that would be different... and it's exactly the sort of thing which could be tacked onto the side of SimCoupe. It would take up almost no extra system resources, it would introduce no compatibilities, and best of all it would have minimal impact on execution speed. But hey, this is all pie in the sky at the moment... Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 00:12:19 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA24527 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:12:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA12424 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:12:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49785-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:09:54 +0200 Received: from black-sun.demon.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:212.228.147.62]:8452 "HELO black-sun.demon.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49782-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:09:39 +0200 Received: from black-sun ([127.0.0.1]) by black-sun.demon.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.0.0.990) id BLCK322917A69 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:30:05 +0100 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:30:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted Message-ID: In-reply-to: <19990812113524.B15460@comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: <021501bee4a8$a2149890$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk>; from Nick Humphries on Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 10:54:09AM +0100 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 362 > But GIF, PCX and PNG are compressed. You of course meant "lossily > compressed", but then JPEG is just about the only format which does that. Anyone transporting image files around in BMP format should also be shot, for waste of space/bandwidth/time/everything. Paul -- Snorting NoDoz is not a happening scene. -- Peter Gutmann in alt.sysadmin.recovery From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 00:12:19 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA24530 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:12:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA12427 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:12:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49782-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:09:55 +0200 Received: from black-sun.demon.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:212.228.147.62]:7172 "HELO black-sun.demon.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49479-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:09:38 +0200 Received: from black-sun ([127.0.0.1]) by black-sun.demon.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.0.0.990) id BLCK322917A66 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:30:04 +0100 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:30:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Fred n' speccy Message-ID: References: In-reply-to: <19990812041546Z49276-10487+19@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 51 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 2338 > > Mm. Sounds like The Tick was a damn sight funnier. Orders of magnitude, in > > fact. > Ahh, what do you know? ;) Nowt, since I've never seen the critic. ;) Earthworm Jim was good too, though. == Begin JIMTAGS.TAG "Earthworm Jim, this time-time-time-time you shall not escape-cape-cape!" "Fear not, my super suit gives me the strength of a thousand tree surgeons." "Gosh darn them all to heck!" "He feels that he's a monkey trapped in the body of an ape." "I am Titania, Queeeen of the Fairies..." "I don't suppose you'd change your mind if I explained that this will ultimately lead to the end of the universe? Nah, I thought not." "I have a sudden desire to wear ... corduroy jackets with leather patches on the elbows!" "I yearn for the sweet embrace of the grave." "I'm ... a HAGGIS? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooooooooooo!" "It is done. The universe is just as it was ... except that for some reason, the main character in `Death of a Salesman' is now called Erkel. This I do not understand." "It was either love, or a stuffed-crust pizza..." "Jim, that's your pants phone, aren't you going to answer it?" - "In a sec, I'm kinda enjoying it." "Just say /no/ to running into walls." "Let's just acknowledge that I made a mistake and move on." - "Move on?! How can we move on, the entire /universe/ is destroyed!" "Okay, a dog in a dress - just take off your helmet, pinhead!" "Pat my facial hair? Please make furry ham?" - "IT'S PROFESSOR MONKEY FOR A HEAD, PMFH, PROFESSOR MONKEY FOR A HEAD!" "Peter, do you happen to have an aromatherapy kit on you?" - "By a mind- boggling coincidence, yes." "Refresh my memory, exactly why didn't I just stay in bed today?" "Test patterns get more viewers than we do!" "That is unquestionably the worst line of dialogue I've ever heard." "We'd better hurry - I think I'm starting to congeal." "We're doomed, doomed I tell you, doomed in case you weren't paying attention, doomed!" "What's that muttering about?" - "Oh, he's just going to turn into a monster and maul us." - "Kind of a drawback in a sidekick, y'know." "I have eaten my words and found them bitter as the lingering regrets of a failed love affair..." "I think they like you." -EWJim "THEY'RE DEVOURING MY FLESH!" - Peter == End Paul -- Don't *WHAM* touch *WHAM* that! *WHAM*WHAM*WHAM* -- Michael J. Peterson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 00:12:19 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA24532 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:12:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA12431 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:12:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49479-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:09:57 +0200 Received: from black-sun.demon.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:212.228.147.62]:7428 "HELO black-sun.demon.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49779-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:09:38 +0200 Received: from black-sun ([127.0.0.1]) by black-sun.demon.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.0.0.990) id BLCK322917A6C for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:30:06 +0100 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 13:30:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Re. I hate Outlook Express. Message-ID: In-reply-to: <37B1E03B.F8A71275@ukonline.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 567 > from it but not receive. Of course cough up for the full package and > you'll get that too plus killfile options. I know your probably thinking > 'can't receive emails, what a pile of rubbish' but check it out anyway > if you deal with newsgroups you won't regret it. Free Agent's okay for newsgroups (still haven't found a windows newsreader I actually like greatly, but it'll do). Pegasus is very nice for email, though, and free. (http://www.pmail.gen.nz/) Paul -- Why does the world turn? How can I stop it? -- Answers to a Few Common Questions, SCOhelp. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 00:17:20 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA24802 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:17:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA13588 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:17:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49788-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:13:23 +0200 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.81]:35020 "EHLO tungsten.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49779-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:13:12 +0200 Received: from host5-171-239-101.btinternet.com ([195.171.239.101] helo=btinternet.com) by tungsten.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11F35x-00010U-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:13:09 +0100 Message-ID: <37B3451F.C39482BC@btinternet.com> Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:05:19 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Password References: <000601bee47b$62f0a140$b91eac3e@default> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 669 > Does anyone know why Outlook Express will not remember my password. A common windows 95/98 password forgetting problem can be brought down to '.pwl' files in 'c:\windows' (or wherever) - delete your .pwl file (it is associated to whatever name you state in the 'login' window when you switch on, unless you have your system set to single desktop, in which case you should ignore the advice anyway), go around retyping all your passwords, and it may remember them this time. That is advice straight from a microsoft related USENET channel! Although, in all fairness, Microsoft do not claim to be making windows 95 and 98 as multi-user operating system. -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 01:01:50 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA27357 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:01:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA23535 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:01:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49782-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:00:05 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:29150 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49559-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:59:47 +0200 Received: from [62.172.29.139] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11F3p2-0005Vj-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:59:45 +0100 Message-ID: <000701bee559$80bef1c0$8b1dac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Password Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:58:39 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 42 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1334 Thanks for the info Thomas. I found one .pwl file and renamed the .pwl to .ppp That worked so now I will delete the file. One more problem, every time I first start up windows and then go for Outlook Express, I get a box that states "WNetGetUser returned" I can't get the dial up box until I click OK on this. Opening Outlook Express after that is OK. It only happens after Windows is first started. What is it. It happens on a friends machine as well.. Bob Wilkinson. -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Harte To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 12 August 1999 15:15 Subject: Re: Password >> Does anyone know why Outlook Express will not remember my password. > > A common windows 95/98 password forgetting problem can be brought down to >'.pwl' files in 'c:\windows' (or wherever) - delete your .pwl file (it is >associated to whatever name you state in the 'login' window when you switch >on, unless you have your system set to single desktop, in which case you >should ignore the advice anyway), go around retyping all your passwords, and >it may remember them this time. > > That is advice straight from a microsoft related USENET channel! Although, in >all fairness, Microsoft do not claim to be making windows 95 and 98 as >multi-user operating system. > > -Thomas > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 01:08:30 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA27464 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:08:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA25018 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:08:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49786-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:05:24 +0200 Received: from mail11.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.23]:44840 "EHLO mail11.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49559-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:05:01 +0200 Received: from modem-91.erythromycin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.65.219] helo=atlantic) by mail11.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11F3u6-00027G-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:04:58 +0100 Message-ID: <00b101bee517$1ac0bd00$db41883e@atlantic> From: "Dave Hooper" To: References: Subject: WinCoupe (Was Re: Fred n' Speccy) Date: Thu, 12 Aug 1999 23:38:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 736 > It would take up almost no extra system resources, it would introduce no > compatibilities, and best of all it would have minimal impact on execution speed. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^ ! That'd be incompatibilities? WinCoupe or Sim32 or whateverthehellitsgonnabecalled should, I agree, feature some kind of debugger, and not even any kind of advanced one. It wouldn't be difficult, at all, to incorporate a single-stepper into such an emulator - and a popup window could show the paging registers, interrupt status and stuff, and the PC and both register sets ... (Having said that, I would be very surprised if there wasn't ALREADY some kind of single-stepping / debugging stuff in the source. Vital for emulator development, shurely) dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 01:36:04 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA29071 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:36:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA00652 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:36:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49782-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:34:25 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:1544 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49559-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:34:06 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA13309 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:34:04 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id AAA17668 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:34:00 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 00:34:00 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: WinCoupe (Was Re: Fred n' Speccy) Message-ID: <19990813003400.C17449@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <00b101bee517$1ac0bd00$db41883e@atlantic> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <00b101bee517$1ac0bd00$db41883e@atlantic>; from Dave Hooper on Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 11:38:00PM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 906 On Thu, Aug 12, 1999 at 11:38:00PM +0100, Dave Hooper wrote: > (Having said that, I would be very surprised if there wasn't ALREADY some > kind of single-stepping / debugging stuff in the source. Vital for emulator > development, shurely) Not really. The code for xz80 (on which SimCoupé's cpu emulation is based) contains a simple-minded thing for printing out a log of register contents (not even the code being executed), which generates a *lot* of output as the thing runs. If that was not sufficient then debugging the emulator involved using a C-debugger to set breakpoints, examine and set registers, etc. A breakpoint in the Z80 code is set by setting the C variable "breakpoint" and putting a C breakpoint at the code: if(pc==breakpoint && pc) breaks++; /* some code at which to set a breakpoint */ And all this isn't compiled in by default as it slows the emulator down. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 03:01:41 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id DAA04701 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:01:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id DAA19065 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 03:01:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49782-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:59:25 +0200 Received: from black-sun.demon.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:212.228.147.62]:7175 "HELO black-sun.demon.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49559-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 02:59:13 +0200 Received: from black-sun ([127.0.0.1]) by black-sun.demon.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.0.0.990) id BLCK324117C57 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:57:30 +0100 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 01:57:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted Message-ID: References: <024e01bee4af$69cbb480$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> In-reply-to: <19990812153639Z49578-10487+97@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 308 > What about JPEG with the compression level set at zero? Is *THAT* > alright? Why bother, when you could just create a file in a truly lossless format? Paul -- Damian Steele> Please defive reasonable size. Tim Parsons> nable size. Next? -- Tim Parsons and Damian Steele, COMMON-ROOM, 8th April 1999 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 10:40:20 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA00089 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:40:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA24996 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:40:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49400-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:38:35 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:21771 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49363-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 10:38:17 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:45:34 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C36@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Screenshots wanted Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 09:45:23 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 18 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 396 I stand corrected.... :) (I was tired OK...?) :) Justin > -----Original Message----- > From: Gordon Wallis [SMTP:hexdidnt@clara.net] > Sent: Thursday, August 12, 1999 6:58 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted > > Justin Skists wrote: > > Isn't JPEG with 0 compression also known as TIFF? > > > No! Joint Photographic Experts Group = Tagged Image File Format? > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 20:10:29 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA02180 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:10:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA08684 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:10:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49651-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:06:21 +0200 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.39]:5645 "EHLO finch-post-11.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49630-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:06:13 +0200 Received: from idalziel.demon.co.uk ([194.222.47.6]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11FLiR-00010f-0B for Sam-users@nvg.unit.no; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:06:07 +0000 Message-ID: <089R2BAX2Ft3EwYP@idalziel.demon.co.uk> Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:01:59 +0100 To: Sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Ian Dalziel Subject: Re: Funny Thing References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Version 4.01 X-Orcpt: rfc822;Sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 471 Status: RO X-Lines: 14 In article , Stuart Brady writes >>Seems to me, if looking momentarily at the sun made you go blind, the >>only idea we'd have about what it looked like would come from stories >>told by blind people... > >Your eyes _would_ be adjusted to the darkness... Wot darkness? It didn't get dark here, and where it did you couldn't see the sun. Or do you go blind if you look at clouds, too? -- Ian Dalziel From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 20:10:29 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA02182 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:10:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA08688 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:10:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49675-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:07:21 +0200 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.39]:44045 "EHLO finch-post-11.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49630-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:07:15 +0200 Received: from wholehog.demon.co.uk ([193.237.133.156]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11FLjW-00016N-0B for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:07:14 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:07:05 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Stuart Brady Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 3.05 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 456 Status: RO X-Lines: 11 In message , Paul Walker writes >> But GIF, PCX and PNG are compressed. You of course meant "lossily >> compressed", but then JPEG is just about the only format which does that. > >Anyone transporting image files around in BMP format should also be shot, for >waste of space/bandwidth/time/everything. I think that you should shoot those who use xpm first. It's worse. -- Stuart Brady From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 20:19:40 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA02573 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:19:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA11412 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:19:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49788-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:16:30 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:43528 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49786-10487> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:16:09 +0200 Received: from [212.126.131.30] (helo=du-018-0030.claranet.co.uk) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11FLs8-000KZv-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 19:16:08 +0100 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Re : SUUG Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 18:16:36 GMT Message-ID: <37b45dce.34710332@relay.clara.net> References: <00f501bee46e$05ee6e80$14468cd4@default> <37b2016e.42455476@relay.clara.net> <001801bee456$2304f380$e32e883e@default> In-Reply-To: <001801bee456$2304f380$e32e883e@default> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 932 On Thu, 12 Aug 1999 01:03:03 +0100 Fri, 13 Aug 99 11:28:44 BST, "michael sleight" wrote: >Derek Morgan - That name rings a bell with me too - say more!! Derek used to run 'SAM PD' and 'F9 Software' (the latter title cunningly invented by me!). He was an agent for SAMCo and was (I should say 'is' because as far as I know he's still alive!) a very helpful chap regarding all things SAM. We regularly used to attend the shows in Gloucester together (and before that at the AFF at Birmingham and Haydock), but I haven't heard anything from him for ages. I should really pick up the phone and see how he's doing, but he works funny shifts. ISTR Derek saying that he was involved in the afore mentioned 'Unemployed Spectrum User Group' once or twice. Quite a hilarious title, isn't it!? Can you imagine anything like that these days. :-) Dave (Founding member of the unemployed CD Burners club) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 13 20:30:05 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA02997 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:29:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA14619 for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:29:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49682-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:23:52 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:20746 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49675-10487>; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 20:23:42 +0200 Received: from man-ppp-b39.networksplus.net ([199.240.135.39]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:25:10 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 13 Aug 1999 13:23:19 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Screenshots wanted In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990813182345Z49675-10487+335@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 569 > >> But GIF, PCX and PNG are compressed. You of course meant "lossily > >> compressed", but then JPEG is just about the only format which does that. > > > >Anyone transporting image files around in BMP format should also be shot, for > >waste of space/bandwidth/time/everything. > > I think that you should shoot those who use xpm first. It's worse. > -- > Stuart Brady Firstly I'd like to shoot all those people who thought that I was being serious about using a zero compressed JPEG. :P -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 14 02:48:43 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id CAA23514 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:48:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id CAA04774 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:48:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49479-10487>; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:46:09 +0200 Received: from pc-212-51-220-7.p.lodz.pl ([IPv6:::ffff:212.51.220.7]:1028 "EHLO sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49786-10487>; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:45:56 +0200 Received: from sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl (pa136.sieradz.ppp.tpnet.pl [212.160.30.136]) by sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id CAA00163; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:55:52 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from yarek@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl) Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:55:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Jarek Message-Id: <199908140055.CAA00163@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl> To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 0 Status: RO X-Lines: 0 From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 14 12:24:20 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA25253 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:24:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA08304 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:24:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49378-10487>; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:23:13 +0200 Received: from mail6.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.212]:22570 "EHLO mail6.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49369-10487>; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 12:23:03 +0200 Received: from modem-100.astelin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.53.228] helo=johnnateare) by mail6.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Faxa-0000Ce-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 11:22:49 +0100 Message-ID: <004001bee63f$eec57a40$dc23883e@johnnateare> From: "Johnna Teare" To: References: <00f501bee46e$05ee6e80$14468cd4@default> <37b2016e.42455476@relay.clara.net> <001801bee456$2304f380$e32e883e@default> <37b45dce.34710332@relay.clara.net> Subject: Re: Re : SUUG Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 11:29:20 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 79 > > Dave (Founding member of the unemployed CD Burners club) > Can I join? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 14 21:25:42 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA24213 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:25:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA02453 for ; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:25:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49463-10487>; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:24:10 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:62387 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49461-10487>; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 21:23:56 +0200 Received: from [62.172.28.211] (helo=physics.org) by aisle.tesco.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11FjP9-0000KV-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:23:47 +0100 Message-ID: <37B5C23A.C80E151C@physics.org> Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 20:23:39 +0100 From: Diggory Gray X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: References: <199908140055.CAA00163@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 397 Pardon? Subject: Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:55:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Jarek Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) You got through my filters with that :) Jarek wrote: Not very much ;) Digs -- /\ /\ http://homepages.tesco.net/~Diggory/ / \_/ \ / . . \EOW CAT Y From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 03:19:28 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id DAA14075 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 03:19:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id DAA01013 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 03:19:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49613-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 03:14:53 +0200 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.214]:19824 "EHLO mail10.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49607-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 03:14:43 +0200 Received: from modem-25.protactinium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.45.25] helo=richard) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Fosj-0002Ky-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 02:14:42 +0100 Message-ID: <001701beb6cc$36725a00$192d883e@richard> From: "Richard Jowett" To: "Sam User Group" References: <000701bee559$80bef1c0$8b1dac3e@default> Subject: Re: Password Date: Tue, 15 Jun 1999 02:12:10 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 969 This problem might be invalid characters including spaces in the computer name box. To change the name go to Control panel double click on the network icon. Then click on the Identification tab, and change the computer name to anything you like but only use alphanumeric characters and no spaces. Richard. ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Wilkinson To: Sent: 13 August 1999 07:58 Subject: Re: Password > Thanks for the info Thomas. > > I found one .pwl file and renamed the .pwl to .ppp > > That worked so now I will delete the file. > > One more problem, every time I first start up windows and then go for > Outlook Express, I get a box that states "WNetGetUser returned" > I can't get the dial up box until I click OK on this. > Opening Outlook Express after that is OK. It only happens after Windows is > first started. > > What is it. It happens on a friends machine as well.. > > Bob Wilkinson. > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 19:49:06 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id TAA07451 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:49:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id TAA25108 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:49:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49511-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:46:45 +0200 Received: from black-sun.demon.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:212.228.147.62]:6916 "HELO black-sun.demon.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49477-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 19:46:31 +0200 Received: from black-sun ([127.0.0.1]) by black-sun.demon.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.0.0.990) id BLCK33031800A for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:30:03 +0100 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 15:30:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Er .. ignore me. Message-ID: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 293 Hello. Just to see if this one comes back, and what email address the list is sending it to. Apologies, just ignore it. (Or email me privately if it got out.) Ta, Paul -- Give me a fast modem, for I intend to go in harm's way. -- Doktor DynaSoar Iridium in news.admin.net-abuse.usenet From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 22:35:43 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA16500 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:35:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA14864 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:35:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49555-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:25:09 +0200 Received: from nemesis.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.86]:5386 "EHLO nemesis.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49551-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:24:38 +0200 Received: from [195.8.76.136] (helo=trout) by nemesis.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 11G6pY-0004HF-00 for sam-users@nvg.unit.no; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:24:37 +0100 Message-ID: <001401bee75c$3ff3c3a0$020a0a64@trout> From: "Colin Piggot" To: Subject: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:24:59 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1283 Being one of the first people on this list (and being able to claim that I made the first two postings to it!) it is becoming apparent that the list is filling up with spam and non-sam related postings. This also seems to the feeling of other list subscribers from what they've said to me so I have taken it apon myself to create another mailing list: The Sam Developer Forum This is a MODERATED mailing list for the needs of Sam Users and Developers alike. To subscribe, see my webpage at http://www.quazar.clara.net/forum/ for information. Although it is entitled The Sam Developer Forum it will cater for all sam users, and in a sensible no-nonsence manner. Going back to the Sam itself, I develop and release software for the Sam every month (Soundbyte is now on issue 51 at time of writing!), and several other full titles are in development. Colin Piggot. +------------------------+-------------------------------+ | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | | quazar@clara.net | /| | | | | / | | |\ | | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | | QUAZAR: Hardware and | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | | Software for the Sam | | +------------------------+-------------------------------+ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 22:35:43 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA16501 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:35:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA14867 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:35:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49580-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:32:49 +0200 Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:152.78.71.4]:29347 "EHLO rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49545-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:32:43 +0200 Received: from stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk (stork [152.78.71.1]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id VAA21417 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:33:39 +0100 (BST) Received: from soolin.ecs.soton.ac.uk (IDENT:rwb197@soolin [152.78.71.19]) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id VAA22569 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:32:41 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:32:40 +0100 (GMT) From: Robert Brady To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Er .. ignore me. In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 15 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 286 On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Paul Walker wrote: > Hello. > > Just to see if this one comes back, and what email address the list is > sending it to. Apologies, just ignore it. (Or email me privately if it got > out.) I'm afraid I didn't recieve your mail. Sorry. -- Robert (Ancalimon) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 22:47:54 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA17115 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:47:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA16473 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:47:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49547-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:46:48 +0200 Received: from server0.screaming.net ([IPv6:::ffff:212.49.224.1]:8970 "EHLO server0.screaming.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49546-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:46:34 +0200 Received: from ukonline.co.uk ([212.49.239.208]) by server0.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA18812 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:57:41 +0100 Message-ID: <37B727A4.9E1A53C5@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:48:36 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Er .. ignore me. References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 531 Robert Brady wrote: > > On Sun, 15 Aug 1999, Paul Walker wrote: > > > Hello. > > > > Just to see if this one comes back, and what email address the list is > > sending it to. Apologies, just ignore it. (Or email me privately if it got > > out.) > > I'm afraid I didn't recieve your mail. Sorry. > > -- Me neither. In fact none of the above emails to the list came my way. And now something on topic. Are Fred issues available for download anywhere? Would anyone care if I uploaded the ones I had. > Robert > (Ancalimon) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 22:47:55 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA17116 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:47:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA16476 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:47:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49546-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:46:50 +0200 Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.22]:16140 "EHLO mail9.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49548-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:46:41 +0200 Received: from modem-75.tinactin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.89.75] helo=johnna-teare) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11G7AL-0003Fm-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:46:07 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:52:57 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM In-reply-to: <001401bee75c$3ff3c3a0$020a0a64@trout> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 837 On 15 Aug 99, at 21:24, Colin Piggot wrote: > Being one of the first people on this list (and being able to claim that I > made the first two postings to it!) it is becoming apparent that the list > is filling up with spam and non-sam related postings. This also seems to > the feeling of other list subscribers from what they've said to me so I > have taken it apon myself to create another mailing list: The principles behind it are grand - but aside from what is going on in the Quazar camp, is there anything else in development in teh SAM world at the minute? Anybody got any nice surprises for teh SAM's 10th birthday? And was anything ever suggested as to a show or anything? Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 22:55:59 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA17552 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:55:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA17720 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:55:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49551-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:51:28 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:58373 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49545-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:51:12 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id VAA02690 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:51:10 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id VAA22454 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:51:05 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:51:04 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM Message-ID: <19990815215104.A22440@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <001401bee75c$3ff3c3a0$020a0a64@trout> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <001401bee75c$3ff3c3a0$020a0a64@trout>; from Colin Piggot on Sun, Aug 15, 1999 at 09:24:59PM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 697 On Sun, Aug 15, 1999 at 09:24:59PM +0100, Colin Piggot wrote: > Being one of the first people on this list (and being able to claim that I > made the Your mailer is broken. It wrapped this horribly. > first two postings to it!) it is becoming apparent that the list is filling > up with spam What spam? > and non-sam related postings. That is just the nature of a mailing list. This is not meant to be a deadly serious courtroom where all chat is banned unless absolutely relevant. If you want a Sam-related topic then try starting one. > I have taken it apon myself to create > another mailing > list: Well good luck with it but I won't be joining. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 23:00:29 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA17944 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:00:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA18309 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:00:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49546-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:59:19 +0200 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.210]:64013 "EHLO mail2.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49545-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:59:11 +0200 Received: from modem-75.tinactin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.89.75] helo=johnna-teare) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11G7Mz-0006Jd-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:59:09 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:06:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Er .. ignore me. In-reply-to: <37B727A4.9E1A53C5@ukonline.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 1607 > And now something on topic. Are Fred issues available for download > anywhere? Would anyone care if I uploaded the ones I had. The last time this one was mentioned someone went on to say that they shouldn't be uploaded because of various copyright reasons. But I think this one is a bit lame because much of the stuff actually on teh Fred magazine would habve been PD anyway and so therer would be no copyright on the programs. Isn't it about time that we put together a decent SAM website to encourage people to stay interested / get interested in the SAM wither thoruhg the original machine or through SIMCoupe? By that I mean declaring a copyright free zone on anything that is over five years old - quite a few games could go up then and lots of disk magazines. If we did what the Speccy scene did we really could keep a healthy SAM scene going into Y2K - stick the stuff up on an ftp server, or make a CD available for the PC's which SAM users could buy for a token fee - say a tenner - and the money could go back into producing SAM stuff or to the people whose stuff was included on the CD. I'm all for keeping new software coming out on the machine, but surely there are not going to be many people who have not bought Defenders Of The Earth who still intend to - why not stick it up ther and let everyone have a look to see what it was like. just my tuppence... so tell me i'm wrong... > > > > > Robert > > (Ancalimon) > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 23:04:57 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA18074 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:04:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA19163 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:04:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49547-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:03:48 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:57103 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49545-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:03:23 +0200 Received: from [195.8.88.80] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11G7R0-000Kcm-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:03:18 +0100 Message-ID: <002001bdc887$a6dbba40$505808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: "sam-users" Subject: Well Done Colin Piggot!!!! Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:02:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_001D_01BDC890.07C5EEE0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 40 Content-Length: 1182 ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BDC890.07C5EEE0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 193 Well - I unsubed from this list due to bulshit on it, and I'm just = popping back on to thank colin for setting up a new one ,... without the = crap that has ruined this one. Good luck Col! ------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BDC890.07C5EEE0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 618
Well - I unsubed from this list due to = bulshit on=20 it, and I'm just popping back on to thank colin for setting up a new one = ,...=20 without the crap that has ruined this one.
 
Good luck Col!
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_001D_01BDC890.07C5EEE0-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 23:11:19 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA18406 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:11:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA20210 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:11:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49548-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:05:58 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:33552 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49545-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:05:33 +0200 Received: from [195.8.88.80] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11G7T9-000KfS-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:05:31 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01bdc887$f64fb180$505808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: "sam-users" Subject: Why did I leave this list? Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:04:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002C_01BDC890.574AAF00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 99 Content-Length: 3663 ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BDC890.574AAF00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 1195 I'll tell you why I left. To be perfectly honest, these days I'm that knackered due to work (you = know youself I've tyically gotten back home from 8pm onwards) that = basically I've no=20 energy for concentrating on SAM work. I mean, let's face it, who really = needs any effort for using a PC? With SAM u need too much effort at that sort of = state - you just cant be arsed. I've not lost interest in SAM myself, I'm still a great fan of the = little bugger - and I've put too much effort and time into it to pack it = all in completely. But I cant spend what time I have got devoted = entirely to it. Which is one of the reasons I left the list - just too much innane crap = which has bugger all to do with SAM, too many people who are too ready = to jump in with snidey attitudes with no reason. As for Persona - goodness knows what's going on at the moment. But if I = dont hear anything from Duncan in the next munf - I'll post Blitz up on = the net myself... and as for some of the other coders who have done = stuff for Persona - I'll see what they want to do. I dont want to see = their work wasted. Anyway, best of luck on the new list... I'll be one of the first on it! David ------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BDC890.574AAF00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 2095
I'll tell you why I left.
 
To be perfectly honest, these days I'm = that=20 knackered due to work (you know youself I've tyically gotten back home = from 8pm=20 onwards) that basically I've no
energy for concentrating on SAM work. I = mean, let's=20 face it, who really needs any
effort for using a PC? With SAM u need = too much=20 effort at that sort of state - you just cant be arsed.
 
I've not lost interest in SAM myself, = I'm still a=20 great fan of the little bugger - and I've put too much effort and time = into it=20 to pack it all in completely. But I cant spend what time I have got = devoted=20 entirely to it.
 
Which is one of the reasons I left the = list - just=20 too much innane crap which has bugger all to do with SAM, too many = people who=20 are too ready to jump in with snidey attitudes with no = reason.
 
As for Persona - goodness knows what's = going on at=20 the moment. But if I dont hear anything from Duncan in the next munf - = I'll post=20 Blitz up on the net myself... and as for some of the other coders who = have done=20 stuff for Persona - I'll see what they want to do. I dont want to see = their work=20 wasted.
 
Anyway, best of luck on the new list... = I'll be one=20 of the first on it!
 
David
 
------=_NextPart_000_002C_01BDC890.574AAF00-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 23:16:55 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA18787 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:16:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA21034 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:16:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49546-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:16:18 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:57092 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49545-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:16:12 +0200 Received: from [195.8.88.80] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11G7dS-000Kzb-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:16:10 +0100 Message-ID: <005801bdc889$72fe8700$505808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: "sam-users" Subject: Sigh.. not again Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:15:28 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0055_01BDC891.D3F98480" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 48 Content-Length: 1398 ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BDC891.D3F98480 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 243 After succeeded from causing me to leave the list for ages, seems like = Ian wants to kill off this new great venture in it's infancy. Shush! Let Colin get on with it! Sod the line lenghts, clock settings and all that bullshit...=20 David ------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BDC891.D3F98480 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 784
After succeeded from causing me to = leave the list=20 for ages, seems like Ian wants to kill off this new great venture in = it's=20 infancy.
 
Shush! Let Colin get on with = it!
 
Sod the line lenghts, clock settings = and all that=20 bullshit...
 
David
 
------=_NextPart_000_0055_01BDC891.D3F98480-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 23:18:29 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA18795 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:18:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA21307 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:18:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49555-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:17:58 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:35077 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49550-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:17:46 +0200 Received: from [195.8.88.80] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11G7ez-000L2I-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:17:45 +0100 Message-ID: <006101bdc889$ab90a4e0$505808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: "sam-users" Subject: Fred stuff Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 21:17:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_005E_01BDC892.0C934380" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 39 Content-Length: 1108 ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01BDC892.0C934380 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 112 Re fred copyright - will Colin McD ring/mail me? If u cant reach me at home - email: david@scan.co.uk Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_005E_01BDC892.0C934380 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 625
Re fred copyright - will Colin McD = ring/mail=20 me?
 
If u cant reach me at home - email: david@scan.co.uk
 
Thanks
 
------=_NextPart_000_005E_01BDC892.0C934380-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 23:24:19 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA19131 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:24:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA22175 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:24:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49545-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:18:59 +0200 Received: from mail9.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.22]:27996 "EHLO mail9.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49547-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:18:48 +0200 Received: from modem-75.tinactin.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.89.75] helo=johnna-teare) by mail9.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11G7fy-00025B-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:18:46 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:26:14 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Why did I leave this list? In-reply-to: <002f01bdc887$f64fb180$505808c3@persona> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 205 >I'll tell you why I left.  Erm...did somebody ask? ;-) Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 15 23:24:20 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA19133 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:24:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA22179 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:24:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49551-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:22:19 +0200 Received: from server2.screaming.net ([IPv6:::ffff:212.49.224.3]:65294 "EHLO server2.screaming.net" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49550-10487>; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:22:13 +0200 Received: from ukonline.co.uk ([212.49.239.208]) by server2.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA30405 for ; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 21:33:04 GMT Message-ID: <37B72FFD.103ADA29@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 22:24:13 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Er .. ignore me. References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1156 Johnna Teare wrote: > > > And now something on topic. Are Fred issues available for download > > anywhere? Would anyone care if I uploaded the ones I had. > > The last time this one was mentioned someone went on to say that > they shouldn't be uploaded because of various copyright reasons. > Of course they're right but like you I think the sam scene is a bit bland with so little decent downloads available on the internet. I agree that if we all sorted ourselves out we could really do a great sam ftp site. I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with commercial games but disk magazines tend to be more topical and therefore I think devalued by time. I must admit in all fairness I'd be motivated enough to download mags from the internet but not enough to buy them at £2-3. I did subscribe to Fred for quite a while but the editorial went down hill so did my interest and I didn't renew. I say this in all honesty that I think many Sam mags are very impressive and it would be nice to show ST and Amiga users how good the sam scene was at its best. For a minority machine we seem to have more than our fair share of talented programmers and writers. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 00:29:29 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA22485 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:29:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA01362 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:29:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49550-10487>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:27:59 +0200 Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.83]:7360 "EHLO neodymium.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49548-10487>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:27:50 +0200 Received: from [62.172.60.36] (helo=store.house) by neodymium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11G8kc-0006Ej-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:27:39 +0100 Received: from toy.house [192.168.116.10] by store.house with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11G8lw-0000iB-00; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:29:00 +0100 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001401bee75c$3ff3c3a0$020a0a64@trout> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:26:27 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 58 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 2361 >Being one of the first people on this list (and being able to claim that I >made the >first two postings to it!) it is becoming apparent that the list is filling >up with spam >and non-sam related postings. This also seems to the feeling of other list >subscribers >from what they've said to me so I have taken it apon myself to create >another mailing >list: > >The Sam Developer Forum > >This is a MODERATED mailing list for the needs of Sam Users and Developers >alike. To subscribe, see my webpage at http://www.quazar.clara.net/forum/ >for information. Although it is entitled The Sam Developer Forum it will >cater for all >sam users, and in a sensible no-nonsence manner. No offense, but I really don't think that's a terribly good idea... Sam-users isn't a very high traffic list. It's not like subscribers get overrun with "spam and non-sam related postings" - in fact I can't recall ever seeing any spam on here. Nor are we really in the midst of long-overrunning flamewars, since Bob's clones [1] seem to be behaving at the moment... The truth is, there's really not a lot of genuine Sam discussion at the moment, because that isn't what is keeping the Sam alive. There's nothing about the technology of the machine that keeps me interested any more - the reason I still use my Sam at all is because of the people I associate with it, that is the sense of community which the Sam has been able to develop over the last ten years. The way to develop the community is to keep all the users (of genuine AND emulated machines) together - not to add a sterile list where anything but "certified clean discussion" would be frowned upon and have to get moved somewhere else, that way nearly anyone interested would just have to subscribe to both lists anyway. Much better to allow the discussion to develop in a natural environmant... Just my 0.02 Andrew [1] Not, I hasten to add, Bob Wilkinson who, having joined the list only recently, probably has no idea what I'm talking about and might get offended if he thought I were talking about him, which I'm not[2]. But another Bob. [2]Except in the footnote, obviously. -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 00:29:29 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA22486 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:29:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA01365 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:29:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49548-10487>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:28:00 +0200 Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.82]:38827 "EHLO praseodumium.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49547-10487>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:27:45 +0200 Received: from [62.172.60.36] (helo=store.house) by praseodumium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11G8kd-0000Wz-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:27:39 +0100 Received: from toy.house [192.168.116.10] by store.house with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11G8lx-0000iB-00; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:29:01 +0100 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <005801bdc889$72fe8700$505808c3@persona> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:27:00 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Sigh.. not again X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 943 > Sod the line lenghts, clock settings and all that bullshit... David Personally I don't object so much to the broken date headers or text formatting - but what I *do* object to is people with an attitude problem who actually know quite well that things are wrong, but who just don't give a damn about rules, standards, or other people's inconvenience. Yes, perhaps Ian could have put things more politely when he pointed out your broken clock just before you unsubbed. But it wasn't the first time it had been mentioned, and FWIW we were in the middle of a thread in which you had posted a message about people who couldn't or wouldn't configure their machines properly. Just my tuppence-worth. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 00:44:04 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA00858 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:44:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA02976 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:44:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49551-10487>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:42:10 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:22288 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49546-10487>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 00:42:05 +0200 Received: from [195.8.87.183] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11G8yZ-000Mws-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 15 Aug 1999 23:42:03 +0100 Message-ID: <002301bdc895$72f23480$b75708c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: Subject: Re: Sigh.. not again Date: Sat, 15 Aug 1998 22:41:22 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1277 Tact. Useful word and I think perhaps at least two people on the list could do with more of it. 1, admittedly being me! ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew Collier To: Sent: Sunday, August 15, 1999 11:27 PM Subject: Re: Sigh.. not again > > Sod the line lenghts, clock settings and all that bullshit... David > > Personally I don't object so much to the broken date headers or text > formatting - but what I *do* object to is people with an attitude problem > who actually know quite well that things are wrong, but who just don't give > a damn about rules, standards, or other people's inconvenience. > > Yes, perhaps Ian could have put things more politely when he pointed out > your broken clock just before you unsubbed. But it wasn't the first time it > had been mentioned, and FWIW we were in the middle of a thread in which you > had posted a message about people who couldn't or wouldn't configure their > machines properly. > > Just my tuppence-worth. > > Andrew > > -- > -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other > -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a > -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file > -- > > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 02:21:24 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id CAA06395 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 02:21:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id CAA13782 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 02:21:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49555-10487>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 02:18:43 +0200 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.214]:7961 "EHLO mail10.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49546-10487> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 02:18:37 +0200 Received: from modem-31.androstenedione.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.52.159] helo=johnna-teare) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11GATy-00066P-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:18:35 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 01:26:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Subject: SAM Downloads In-reply-to: <37B72FFD.103ADA29@ukonline.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 78 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Length: 3574 On 15 Aug 99, at 22:24, Martin Wilson wrote: > > The last time this one was mentioned someone went on to say that > > they shouldn't be uploaded because of various copyright reasons. > > > > I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with commercial games but disk magazines > tend to be more topical and therefore I think devalued by time. I must > admit in all fairness I'd be motivated enough to download mags from the > internet but not enough to buy them at £2-3. Why can't we do what the Speccy world did - stick the things up there and ask anybody who objects to them being there to ask for their removal? Does anybody know what kind of copyright _actually_ exists on teh SAMCo / Revelation titles? There were loads of stories from various sources saying they were entitled to sell them, but did the copyright to such games actually ever leave the hands of the receivers? It certainly didnt regarding production of the machine... And if Speccy Defenders Of The Earth / Pipemania / Famous Five etc. are up on the ftp site, what is the problem with the SAM versions going up there? They have no commercial value anymore - I doubt very much they would take away sales from new SAM games because they would only be accessible to PC / Mac owners who would, I imagine, sooner spend a fiver on a Sold Out rereleased game such as Unreal than spend upwards of 15 quid on a game for their SAM's. The real SAM users, the ones who still use their computers as their main machines, will not be able to get hold of the games and so will still be reliant on the new products of companies like Quazar etc. And if the files were up there in .dsk format they'd run rather nicely on SIMCoupe. > > I say this in all honesty that I think many Sam mags are very impressive > and it would be nice to show ST and Amiga users how good the sam scene was > at its best. For a minority machine we seem to have more than our fair > share of talented programmers and writers. > Back on to the topic you mention - yes, the SAM Magazine scene was its crowning glory and there should be a full representation of it up on an ftp somewhere - including copies of FRED and, dare I say it, even OCR'd copies of FORMAT. The SAM Coupe is somethign that was special to all of us and we should try as hard as we can to pool all our resources and give ourselves the best chance of preserving it, and all the related paraphenalia that goes with it, somewhere in cyberspace for the rest of the future generations of 8bit geeks to look at fondly. Alternatively, we could whine on about copyright restrictions and the like and see most of the people who might stick with the SAM move on to something else somewhere else and forget all about the whole shebang. And in reality - who in teh SAM world is going to have the funds to bring a breach of copyright lawsuit against anyone other individual? Especially for teh sake of about sixty pence. The worst that could happen if we all just revolted would be a few idle threats from those desperate to cling on to their fading empire. I'm not encouraging piracy - it has always existed on teh SAM scene and is probably now at it lowest level ever because of the few numbers still involved in the machines ongoings. However, trying to erect some kind of memorial to our favourite blue (or black) footed friend would make sense. I'm ready to step into my asbestos suit as I speak. Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 10:10:13 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA04040 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:10:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA17415 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:09:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49297-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:07:05 +0200 Received: from bundy.katowice.pkp.com.pl ([IPv6:::ffff:195.136.30.131]:35448 "EHLO bundy.katowice.pkp.com.pl" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49250-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:06:50 +0200 Received: from katowice.pkp.com.pl (tomek.katowice.pkp.com.pl [195.136.30.102]) by bundy.katowice.pkp.com.pl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id JAA18566 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:45:47 +0200 Message-ID: <37B7C674.3A7E3AE1@katowice.pkp.com.pl> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:06:12 +0200 From: Tomasz =?iso-8859-2?Q?Pud=B3o?= Organization: CIK X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [pl] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: pl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: References: <199908140055.CAA00163@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Length: 331 Witam tylko nie wiem o co chodzi bo wiadomo¶æ jest pusta > Subject: Date: Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:55:52 +0200 (CEST) From: Jarek Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no To: unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) proszê o wiêcej :-) pozdrawiam Tomek From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 10:25:14 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA05071 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:25:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA27831 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:25:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49298-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:23:44 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:47880 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49297-4013> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:23:36 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:30:11 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C42@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:30:09 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Length: 681 English, I can understand... Finnish, I will be able to understand... But, contrary to what my surname is, I can't read Polish. Sorry... Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Tomasz Pudlo [SMTP:tombox@katowice.pkp.com.pl] > Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 9:06 AM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: > > Witam tylko nie wiem o co chodzi bo wiadomo¶æ jest pusta > > > Subject: > Date: > Sat, 14 Aug 1999 02:55:52 +0200 (CEST) > From: > Jarek > Reply-To: > sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > To: > unlisted-recipients:; (no To-header on input) > > proszê o wiêcej :-) > > pozdrawiam > Tomek From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 11:21:44 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA08445 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:21:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA10885 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:21:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49328-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:18:38 +0200 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.41]:43527 "EHLO finch-post-12.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49326-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:18:23 +0200 Received: from tissoft.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.177] helo=postoffice.tissoft.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11GIuA-000EZb-0C for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:18:11 +0000 Received: from tistemp3 by postoffice.tissoft.co.uk (8.9.1) id KAA20699; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:12:37 +0100 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <02ae01bee7c7$6d41ce90$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: My take on the SAM Scene Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:12:12 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1888 The SAM isn't dead. Not in the technical sense anyway - people are still developing for it, albeit on a VERY small scale. But there are some basic facts we should all be told: * How many new SAMs are being sold a month? If we're talking about single figures here (or even zero) then it's time to start seriously thinking about accepting a combined future with SimCoupe. * How many units of any particular software title are being sold a month? * Is there any possibility of the older titles being rereleased either on a compilation or separately. Single figure sales and no commitment to rereleasing or compilations means that these titles are not marketable anymore, so is there any good reason for not putting them onto an FTP site? There are plenty of parallels with today's Spectrum scene - there's about the same amount of support (hardware and software) for the Spectrum today as for the SAM, yet there's a thriving emulation scene. The World of Spectrum website has been actively hunting around for permissions from game writers and old publishers, and when contact has been made, the response has usually been very positive (the same can be said about my YS Rock'n'Roll Years website - the people involved are usually quite honoured to have their work remembered with fondness). Emulation is welcomed in the Speccy scene (for non-new games), why not the SAM? Is there any money being made by programmers anymore? Is Chris White still getting any royalties from Prince of Persia or Lemmings? Is Rob Holman getting any royalties from any more sales of the first few SAM games? Would the authors of any SAM games not getting any more royalties please stand up? Would YOU mind your games being made available on an FTP site? IMHO any game that's not being sold in higher quantities than single figures a month should be considered fair game in the emulation scene. Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 11:31:53 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA09065 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:31:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA17223 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:31:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49345-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:26:56 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:15629 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49377-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:26:38 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:32:52 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C48@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:32:51 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 22 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 760 Where on earth do you find time for it all? I finally find some time, switch on my SAM, load up my CP/M disks ready to write my MIDI-Kern, try to decide where to begin, search for ages for my development notes, fail to find my development notes (due to the fact they were in a red folder hiding under my bed that I didn't find til I cleaned up the place) and then go "Sod it! Where's my 'Teach Yourself Finnish' kit?" (Even that seems a waste of time at the moment...) Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Colin Piggot [SMTP:quazar@clara.net] > > Going back to the Sam itself, I develop and release software for the Sam > every > month (Soundbyte is now on issue 51 at time of writing!), and several > other > full titles > are in development. > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 11:32:07 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA09064 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:31:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA17214 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:31:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49344-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:22:43 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:5372 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49335-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:22:34 +0200 Received: from [212.140.71.100] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11GIyK-0000dn-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:22:28 +0100 Message-ID: <00d801bee80c$00b276e0$bd408cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Re Sam User Group + Downloads Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:22:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 653 >From R Wilkinson. If everyone here met once a week or so there would be some healthy banter. People will ask questions about other things. Sam is not the be-all and end-all. This group is for Sam users to help and support each other is it not. If only Sam topics were raised here, then there would not be enough material to go round. ....... RE Downloads I am willing to allow Outwrite to be downloaded by anyone that wants it just as long as I retain copyright. Im new to this sort of thing (only had a modem for about 4 weeks) so how do I go about it. I also have a Morse code tutor written for the Sam. Anyone want that.. Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 11:44:13 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA09653 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:44:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA24406 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:44:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49373-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:32:43 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:33805 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49329-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:32:32 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:39:35 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C49@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Re Sam User Group + Downloads Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:39:34 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 42 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 1117 Oooh... I'd be interested in downloading Outwrite. Since it now seems like it'll be many many moons (darn it!) before I get around to buying a PC, I'm going to need a word-processor type thing for the SAM... Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Wilkinson [SMTP:Wilkinson40@tesco.net] > Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 6:22 PM > To: Sam Usergroup > Subject: Re Sam User Group + Downloads > > From R Wilkinson. > > If everyone here met once a week or so there would be some healthy banter. > > People will ask questions about other things. Sam is not the be-all and > end-all. > > This group is for Sam users to help and support each other is it not. > > If only Sam topics were raised here, then there would not be enough > material > to go round. > > ....... > > RE Downloads > > > I am willing to allow Outwrite to be downloaded by anyone that wants it > just > as long as I retain copyright. > Im new to this sort of thing (only had a modem for about 4 weeks) so how > do > I go about > it. > I also have a Morse code tutor written for the Sam. Anyone want that.. > > Bob Wilkinson. > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 11:51:52 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA10144 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:51:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA29295 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:51:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49326-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:50:24 +0200 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.39]:52492 "EHLO finch-post-11.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49329-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:50:08 +0200 Received: from tissoft.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.177] helo=postoffice.tissoft.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11GJOy-000HMc-0B for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 09:50:02 +0000 Received: from tistemp3 by postoffice.tissoft.co.uk (8.9.1) id KAA22860; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:32:42 +0100 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <02b901bee7ca$3bfeffd0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: Re Sam User Group + Downloads Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 10:32:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 624 From: Robert Wilkinson >I am willing to allow Outwrite to be downloaded by anyone that wants it just >as long as I retain copyright. >Im new to this sort of thing (only had a modem for about 4 weeks) so how do >I go about >it. >I also have a Morse code tutor written for the Sam. Anyone want that.. > >Bob Wilkinson. FAN-TASTIC! This should set a good example to the rest of us, and should be welcomed. Outwrite was a great product - I remember getting version 1 of it so many years ago (along with the slow, noisy, messy 9-pin dot matrix printer from SAMCo). So how about anyone else? Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 12:11:45 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA11303 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:11:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA11216 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:11:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49329-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:09:53 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:194.70.160.131] ([IPv6:::ffff:194.70.160.131]:58895 "EHLO gate1.pcfax.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49320-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:09:41 +0200 Received: from [194.70.160.3] by gate1.pcfax.com (NTMail 4.30.0012/NT9682.00.dfbf7236) with ESMTP id zoysaaaa for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:10:55 +0100 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:09:26 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) In-Reply-To: <001401bee75c$3ff3c3a0$020a0a64@trout> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1681 Colin Piggot wrote: > so I have taken it apon myself to create another mailing list Is this really such a good idea? The SAM world seems thin enough as it is without spreading it out over two mailing lists. The discussion on this list isn't always on-topic, but it's not as though hundreds of messages a day come through on it - the off-topic chit-chat actually seems to help keep the list alive! > This is a MODERATED mailing list for the needs of Sam Users and > Developers alike. To subscribe, see my webpage at > http://www.quazar.clara.net/forum/ for information. The web page also says: "This list is for REAL people who use REAL Sam computers" and "No emulation. As stated above this is for users of real Sams". So, does this also exclude REAL users who develop REAL SAM software on the emulator? Since this REAL software can also be run on a REAL SAM and would benefit other REAL users. Are you discriminating against emulation because you feel it's a threat to the Quazar (like Dave L does with the hardware he's involved with) and/or it can't be used with the emulator? Good luck with your new list - I'm afraid I won't be joining you tho. > +------------------------+-------------------------------+ > | COLIN PIGGOT | __ ___ __ | > | quazar@clara.net | /| | | | | / | | |\ | > | | / | | | |__| / |__| |_\ | > | QUAZAR: Hardware and | /_\| |__| | | /__ | | | \ | > | Software for the Sam | | > +------------------------+-------------------------------+ Your new list may allow large sigs, but I believe this one has a limit of 4 lines ;-) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 12:32:14 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA12581 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:32:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA22358 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:32:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49320-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:30:14 +0200 Received: from bundy.katowice.pkp.com.pl ([IPv6:::ffff:195.136.30.131]:20603 "EHLO bundy.katowice.pkp.com.pl" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49335-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:30:05 +0200 Received: from katowice.pkp.com.pl (tomek.katowice.pkp.com.pl [195.136.30.102]) by bundy.katowice.pkp.com.pl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id MAA22029 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:10:35 +0200 Message-ID: <37B7E866.57ED285A@katowice.pkp.com.pl> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:31:02 +0200 From: Tomasz =?iso-8859-2?Q?Pud=B3o?= Organization: CIK X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [pl] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: pl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C42@mailhost.aculab.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Length: 220 Justin Skists napisa³(a): > English, I can understand... Finnish, I will be able to understand... > But, contrary to what my surname is, I can't read Polish. Sorry... mea culpa... bad "To:" field :-( > Justin. Tom From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 12:43:58 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA13274 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:43:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA28435 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:43:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49335-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:41:25 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:39692 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49320-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:41:05 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA19154 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:41:03 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id LAA23662 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:40:56 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:40:55 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users Subject: Re: Why did I leave this list? Message-ID: <19990816114055.A23152@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users References: <002f01bdc887$f64fb180$505808c3@persona> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <002f01bdc887$f64fb180$505808c3@persona>; from David L on Sat, Aug 15, 1998 at 09:04:50PM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 932 On Sat, Aug 15, 1998 at 09:04:50PM +0100, David L wrote: > Which is one of the reasons I left the list - just too much innane crap [>]which has bugger all to do with SAM, too many people who are too ready to [>]jump in with snidey attitudes with no reason. A general observation: this is not a high volume list - 1200 messages since March making an average of 8.4 per day (or 20kB per day). If anyone here doesn't like irrelevant postings then press your 'delete' button - it won't wear out if you only have to press it 8 times a day. If *everyone* here didn't like irrelevant postings then there wouldn't be any because no one would post them! If Colin succeeds in his venture then all he is going to do is remove Sam content from this list, making it even more full of irrelevant postings. > Anyway, best of luck on the new list... I'll be one of the first on it! I hope you and Colin have a nice chat together... (o: imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 12:52:26 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA13921 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:52:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA03858 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:52:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49360-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:49:44 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:6673 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49344-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:49:40 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:56:50 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851C4C@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Why did I leave this list? Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 11:56:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 446 [snipped a load of stuff] Isn't this just creating more of a rift between everyone? Now Bob/Samsboss/B-Ritman have disappeared, do we all still have unused "anger" left over to attack each other instead? Peace men (and any women, if they are on-line)... Justin PS. Has anyone noticed the other Y2K bug? (Which will have nothing to do with adding machines blinking out or sad pimply-faced boys crying over the disappearence of Lara Croft...) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 13:15:40 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA15336 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:15:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA18566 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:15:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49361-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:13:55 +0200 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.18]:3706 "EHLO mail1.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49344-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:13:32 +0200 Received: from modem-31.ytterbium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.34.159] helo=johnna-teare) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11GKhk-00005U-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:13:29 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:13:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene In-reply-to: <02ae01bee7c7$6d41ce90$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 2555 On 16 Aug 99, at 10:12, Nick Humphries wrote: > * How many new SAMs are being sold a month? > Even if we knew the figures - which we are never likely to find out - the real question should be how many new SAMs are being sold to _new users_ each month? I'd hazard that most of the new machines sold are bought by people replacing their old ones. How on earth are we to expect new users to come to the machine when there is no publicity for it? There is no excuse for whoever holds the rights to the production of the SAM (Bob I think?) not to have website at the very least with the latest prices etc. I'm sure there would be loads of people ready to help him put one up there - I would be one. And what better way to put the word around about the SAM than by getting a decent emulator like SIMCoupe freely distributed among the PC world. The same kind of thing worked for the C64 and Speccy - people are actively huntuing down the orignial machines to run the software on. > If we're talking about single figures here (or even zero) then it's time > to start seriously thinking about accepting a combined future with > SimCoupe. It would surprise me if there have been more than ten sold in the last year. > * How many units of any particular software title are being sold a month? > * Is there any possibility of the older titles being rereleased either on > a compilation or separately. Now that is perhaps a very valid point. There would be a great demand for, say , The Enigma Collection or Pop, Lemmings and ONML all in the one pack. If the people who hold their licences still want to try and feed their families on the back of SAM Software sales, then this is the way forward. If not, let's get some stuff up on the FTP site. Hats off to Bob for getting the ball rolling with Outwrite - the best word processor the SAM has seen. I'm not sure how to get stuff onto the FTP - which was decided as the best format? Meanwhile, if anybody would like to help me get a SAM website cobbled together similar to World Of Spectrum then please private mail me - I'll be after screenshots, articles, reviews, links etc. But it's all got to be brand new stuff. I'm only starting on the idea now, and like everything I do it will probably take forever to get to completion, but I'd like to see the whole thing up to celebrate Happy 10th Birthday for Mr Coupe. Let me know. Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 13:15:55 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA15334 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:15:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA18562 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:15:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49373-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:13:54 +0200 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.18]:4474 "EHLO mail1.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49361-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:13:32 +0200 Received: from modem-31.ytterbium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.34.159] helo=johnna-teare) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11GKhm-00005U-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:13:30 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 12:13:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: FTP Site In-reply-to: References: <001401bee75c$3ff3c3a0$020a0a64@trout> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 595 If we are going to start putting new stuff up on the FTP site, could we not make it so that we can track who has downloaded what so that, if the author of the particular item wanted to contact the owners of teh software via email to perhaps offer upgrades, sell manuals, offer other deals etc. he / she could? At least then the people who brought us the software would have a chance of recouping some money? Is this kind of thing possible? Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 13:34:32 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA16403 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:34:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA00352 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:34:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49377-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:31:56 +0200 Received: from fep3-orange.clear.net.nz ([IPv6:::ffff:203.97.32.3]:17327 "EHLO fep3-orange.clear.net.nz" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49335-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:31:36 +0200 Received: from clear.net.nz (a001-m001-u60.dune.clear.net.nz [203.167.192.59]) by fep3-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.3) with ESMTP id XAA11281; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:31:23 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <37B88356.C0AF7D33@clear.net.nz> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:32:06 +0100 From: Gasson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Downloads References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1445 Johnna Teare wrote: >>> The last time this one was mentioned someone went on to say that >>> they shouldn't be uploaded because of various copyright reasons. Martin Wilson wrote: >> I'm not so sure I'm comfortable with commercial games but disk magazines >> tend to be more topical and therefore I think devalued by time. I must >> admit in all fairness I'd be motivated enough to download mags from the >> internet but not enough to buy them at £2-3. Johnna Teare wrote: > Why can't we do what the Speccy world did - stick the things up > there and ask anybody who objects to them being there to ask for > their removal? (...) It may well be better for everyone if this was done, but I strongly believe that people should have the right to choose to do things that are not in their best interests, or anyone elses. This is the foundation of a liberal democracy and capatilist society. ;-) Perhaps if someone were to set up a tidy web site with a catalogue of known Sam games (a picture of the box a breif description, etc.), then wrote a nice letter to the copyright holders... The distributable games could have a little note saying "Generously made available by (Author's name) and the kind people at (...) Software. To have a look at some of their new work, check out the site: (...)". BTW... Honestly Johnna, the name of your web site is obscene... No part of a URL should consist of more than 16 characters. :-p -- James Gasson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 15:16:11 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id PAA22588 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:16:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id PAA06311 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:16:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49169-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:14:17 +0200 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.214]:35192 "EHLO mail10.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49373-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:14:06 +0200 Received: from modem-86.amantadine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.49.214] helo=johnna-teare) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11GMaS-0001WV-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:14:05 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:13:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Downloads In-reply-to: <37B88356.C0AF7D33@clear.net.nz> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 585 On 16 Aug 99, at 22:32, Gasson wrote: > BTW... Honestly Johnna, the name of your web site is obscene... No part of > a URL should consist of more than 16 characters. :-p As I was logging on to freeserve, they didn't tell me the bloody line I typed in as my user name would become part of my email address AND website address. Boy do I regret it now! But its my own fault for being thick I suppose! > > -- > James Gasson > > > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 15:32:38 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id PAA23411 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:32:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id PAA17640 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:32:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49469-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:21:28 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:50703 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49490-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:21:17 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22057 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:21:15 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id OAA24152 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:21:08 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:21:07 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Message-ID: <19990816142107.D23152@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <37B88356.C0AF7D33@clear.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Johnna Teare on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 02:13:43PM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 380 On Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 02:13:43PM +0100, Johnna Teare wrote: > As I was logging on to freeserve, they didn't tell me the bloody line I > typed in as my user name would become part of my email address > AND website address. Now I can't believe that. Although it is almost a year (gosh) since I got my freeserve account I seem to remember the procedure being very clear. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 16:25:57 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id QAA26397 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:25:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id QAA23968 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:25:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49344-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:22:29 +0200 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.39]:27666 "EHLO finch-post-11.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49169-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 16:22:12 +0200 Received: from tissoft.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.177] helo=postoffice.tissoft.co.uk) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11GNeF-000P8n-0B for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 14:22:05 +0000 Received: from tistemp3 by postoffice.tissoft.co.uk (8.9.1) id PAA13981; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:22:44 +0100 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <00ed01bee7f2$b579c1b0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:22:02 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1373 From: Johnna Teare >On 16 Aug 99, at 10:12, Nick Humphries wrote: >> * How many units of any particular software title are being sold a month? >> * Is there any possibility of the older titles being rereleased either on >> a compilation or separately. >Now that is perhaps a very valid point. There would be a great >demand for, say , The Enigma Collection or Pop, Lemmings and >ONML all in the one pack. If the people who hold their licences still >want to try and feed their families on the back of SAM Software >sales, then this is the way forward. Re-releasing could be the way forward. After eight years or so, Prince of Persia simply isn't worth £9.99 in today's market. Back in the Spectrum days, games got re-released about four years after its original release (and the period got shorter towards the end of the Spectrum era, sometimes down to the order of a few months). Why haven't the SAM software sellers followed suit? An uncharitable mind would put it down to greed, to squeeze every last penny out of the SAM market. Put PoP et al out for £2.99 or £3.99 and you'd sell a few copies. Create three or four game compilations and put them out for a tenner and you'll make some more money. In a games market which is very probably non-existent, any sales are better than none at all. Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 20:01:55 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA08352 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:01:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA06802 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:01:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49592-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:00:16 +0200 Received: from nemesis.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.86]:43784 "EHLO nemesis.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49581-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:59:57 +0200 Received: from [195.8.87.141] (helo=trout) by nemesis.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 11GR35-0000Rs-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 18:59:55 +0100 Message-ID: <006801bee811$33d5f2e0$020a0a64@trout> From: "Colin Piggot" To: Subject: Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:00:18 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1283 From: Si Owen >Is this really such a good idea? The SAM world seems thin enough as it is >without spreading it out over two mailing lists. The discussion on this list >isn't always on-topic, but it's not as though hundreds of messages a day come >through on it - the off-topic chit-chat actually seems to help keep the list >alive! Is there anything wrong with another list? I'm not trying to split it, just offering another channel for more serious discussion. The same negativity is being shown here just like when Gavin Smith first announced his Sam-Community idea, which was nearly scrapped due to the responces here. But the Sam-Community is active - well done to Gavin! >Are you discriminating against emulation Emulation, I feel, will attract more people to the Sam, but I cannot see many emulator users rushing out to buy a Sam, or to buy software for it - more just leeching it off the web whenever something appears - take the N64 emulators that have appeared this year for the PC - all that created was a plethora of sites with pirate ROM images to feed the hungrey masses. Also, you have to remember there the majority of Sam users do not have access to the net, so a consise archive may form included on disks for them to read, and even comment on. Colin P. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 20:15:16 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA09083 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:15:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA11050 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:15:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49636-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:02:56 +0200 Received: from nemesis.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.86]:31244 "EHLO nemesis.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49633-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:02:34 +0200 Received: from [195.8.87.141] (helo=trout) by nemesis.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 11GR5d-00015k-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:02:33 +0100 Message-ID: <007701bee811$91d38880$020a0a64@trout> From: "Colin Piggot" To: Subject: Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:02:56 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 261 From: Justin Skists : >Where on earth do you find time for it all? Well, I try to do a bit of Sam work every day! Depends what I'm working on - when I was writing Stratosphere I'd spend whole days on it at a time, especially when optimising it all. Colin P. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 20:15:16 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA09090 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:15:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA11057 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:15:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49633-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:06:47 +0200 Received: from nemesis.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.86]:40465 "EHLO nemesis.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49643-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:06:38 +0200 Received: from [195.8.87.141] (helo=trout) by nemesis.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.11 #1) id 11GR9Z-0001jo-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:06:37 +0100 Message-ID: <008001bee812$238310c0$020a0a64@trout> From: "Colin Piggot" To: Subject: Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:07:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 264 From: Si Owen: >Good luck with your new list Thank you. > I'm afraid I won't be joining you tho. No problem! I'm not ordering people to. If people are intrested they will subscribe, if they aren't then that's fine too - it's there decision entirely. Colin P. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 20:26:51 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA09588 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:26:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA14842 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:26:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49581-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:22:48 +0200 Received: from server0.screaming.net ([IPv6:::ffff:212.49.224.1]:15960 "EHLO server0.screaming.net" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49629-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:22:39 +0200 Received: from ukonline.co.uk (dyn47-ras10.screaming.net [212.49.233.47]) by server0.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA06428 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:33:51 +0100 Message-ID: <37B85762.F8501846@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 19:24:34 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene References: <00ed01bee7f2$b579c1b0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 2159 > Re-releasing could be the way forward. After eight years or so, Prince of Persia > simply isn't worth £9.99 in today's market. Back in the Spectrum days, games got > re-released about four years after its original release (and the period got > shorter towards the end of the Spectrum era, sometimes down to the order of a > few months). Why haven't the SAM software sellers followed suit? > > An uncharitable mind would put it down to greed, to squeeze every last penny out > of the SAM market. Put PoP et al out for £2.99 or £3.99 and you'd sell a few > copies. Create three or four game compilations and put them out for a tenner and > you'll make some more money. In a games market which is very probably > non-existent, any sales are better than none at all. > > Nick I must admit I do like my games but hate spending money. I can pick up game for my Saturn and 3DO for just a few pounds (£3.99 for example) and therefore can't actually see Sam games being worth much at all now. Back when I first got my Sam it was competing quite reasonably with the scene at the time which was ST, Amiga, Specturm, CPC, C64 and perhaps Sega Master System but now it obviously doesn't compete. I know people will shoot me down in flames for this but I dont' think Sam games have any real commercial value now. I mean some of those Sega Master System games cost a good fraction of a million to develop but the Master system is a completely dead format now. Take the ST scene, this is almost completely dead too but ST commercial games are available easily over the internet. Perhaps we ought to compile a list of all the stuff we each have and then start making dsk files from them making sure we are not duplicating our efforts. I'm sure I can get a good fast ftp UK site with enough capacity for all of it. A friend works at ukonline and I won't have any problem getting space there. UkOnline is part of Easynet and they have some damn fast servers. Perhaps I can sort it so about six of us have full access to upload to the site and we can share maintenance and credit for it. Once we've sorted out the uploading we can start giving it a nice html front end. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 21:43:46 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA13683 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:43:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA08872 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:43:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49632-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:37:17 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:21353 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49631-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 21:37:00 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-2-63.cvx4.telinco.net [212.1.136.63]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 6778E63A0F for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 15:36:41 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37B8683D.901E8903@bonbon.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 20:36:30 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Funny Thing References: <00f801bee46e$09f5ed00$14468cd4@default> <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net> <002101bee4b2$24c2a440$64a5fea9@simcooke3> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1501 Hullo... Simon Cooke wrote: > > From: Martin Fitzpatrick > > Yeh mine did... But that might have had something to do with me looking > > directly at the sun (duh). Unintentional... but I was using them > > glasses & then my mate handed me a different (better) pair. So, still > > staring at the sun I removed the first pair, not realising (duh) that > > the other pair wouldn't suddenly start working and position themselves > > in front of my eyes. > > 'sfunny... I used to stare at the sun for minutes at a time when I was > younger... didn't affect me at all. Yeh... I said that to me mum and she was all like "noo noo noo, if you look at it you'll go blind straight away." blah blah blah.... Clearly I had not, so it wasn't true. > ... now car headlights at night on the other hand... I think that was kinda the point really... I'd been looking through the glasses so it was all dark & then I took em off and *flash* ouch.. oh buggery etc. etc. Its actually not entirely better yet, but when I went to the opticians today he said "oh, hmm, quite normal really... just ignore it".... no big pictures of the sun in my eyes or anything - just a might sensitive to light, so i get echos when going from light to dark.... give it a few weeks... :o) ...a fair bit of it is probably psycho somatic anyway - if it had happened on any other day of the year I'd probably be fine by now. Martin -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 22:10:17 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA15199 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:10:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA17017 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:10:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49632-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:06:30 +0200 Received: from gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.121.85]:64454 "EHLO gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49631-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:06:11 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip165.seattle14.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.97.165]) by gull.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id NAA20373 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:05:56 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <007201bee822$cb9dc880$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <00f801bee46e$09f5ed00$14468cd4@default> <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net> <002101bee4b2$24c2a440$64a5fea9@simcooke3> <37B8683D.901E8903@bonbon.net> Subject: Re: Funny Thing Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 13:06:13 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 633 From: Martin Fitzpatrick > just ignore it".... no big pictures of the sun in my eyes or anything > - just a might sensitive to light, so i get echos when going from light > to dark.... give it a few weeks... :o) > > ...a fair bit of it is probably psycho somatic anyway - if it had > happened on any other day of the year I'd probably be fine by now. You might also want to take beta-carotine and Vitamin D & E supplements for a while... they'll improve your night vision (or rather, your eyes ability to adapt to differing light levels), and that should help get rid of the effects you're seeing :) Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 23:33:32 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA19694 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:33:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA15108 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:33:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49642-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:30:11 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:2829 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49631-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:29:51 +0200 Received: from [195.8.86.74] (helo=default) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11GUKD-0002G3-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:29:49 +0100 Message-ID: <37B8827D.1FCC@clara.net> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:28:29 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene References: <00ed01bee7f2$b579c1b0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> <37B85762.F8501846@ukonline.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 490 Martin Wilson wrote: > I must admit I do like my games but hate spending money. I can pick up > game for my Saturn and 3DO for just a few pounds (£3.99 for example) Two questions: "Where?!" and "Got 'Policenauts' yet?" Gord. (the Policenauts fanatic) -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 16 23:44:32 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA20254 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:44:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA18252 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:44:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49642-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:41:11 +0200 Received: from server0.screaming.net ([IPv6:::ffff:212.49.224.1]:62274 "EHLO server0.screaming.net" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49631-4013>; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:40:45 +0200 Received: from ukonline.co.uk ([212.49.238.162]) by server0.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id WAA08013 for ; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:52:04 +0100 Message-ID: <37B885D7.8A334D9A@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 16 Aug 1999 22:42:47 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene References: <00ed01bee7f2$b579c1b0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> <37B85762.F8501846@ukonline.co.uk> <37B8827D.1FCC@clara.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 731 Gordon Wallis wrote: > > Martin Wilson wrote: > > I must admit I do like my games but hate spending money. I can pick up > > game for my Saturn and 3DO for just a few pounds (£3.99 for example) > > Two questions: "Where?!" and "Got 'Policenauts' yet?" > > Gord. (the Policenauts fanatic) > Well special reserve still have 3do software at £3.99 Saturn stuff is being cleared out in the high st by some Game and EB stores. I've seen it as low as 99p for an early football game. Better bundles have been stuff like Quake/duke nukem £15 for the pair. If you've got a Saturn I've got Alien Trilogy,Alone in the dark and blast chamber up for swop. After hexen and starfighter amongst others. I don't know what policenauts is? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 17 00:41:00 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA23417 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:40:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA02111 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:40:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49647-4013>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:38:28 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:28678 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49636-4013>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 00:38:09 +0200 Received: from [195.8.87.38] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11GVOJ-00045c-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 16 Aug 1999 23:38:07 +0100 Message-ID: <001b01bdc95e$0fc32d00$265708c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: <00ed01bee7f2$b579c1b0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> <37B85762.F8501846@ukonline.co.uk> <37B8827D.1FCC@clara.net> <37B885D7.8A334D9A@ukonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene Date: Sun, 16 Aug 1998 22:37:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 959 For more on policenauts - see Gordons site!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Wilson To: Sent: Monday, August 16, 1999 10:42 PM Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene Gordon Wallis wrote: > > Martin Wilson wrote: > > I must admit I do like my games but hate spending money. I can pick up > > game for my Saturn and 3DO for just a few pounds (£3.99 for example) > > Two questions: "Where?!" and "Got 'Policenauts' yet?" > > Gord. (the Policenauts fanatic) > Well special reserve still have 3do software at £3.99 Saturn stuff is being cleared out in the high st by some Game and EB stores. I've seen it as low as 99p for an early football game. Better bundles have been stuff like Quake/duke nukem £15 for the pair. If you've got a Saturn I've got Alien Trilogy,Alone in the dark and blast chamber up for swop. After hexen and starfighter amongst others. I don't know what policenauts is? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 17 09:37:37 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA24264 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:37:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id JAA05779 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:37:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49265-4013>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:33:13 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:194.70.160.131] ([IPv6:::ffff:194.70.160.131]:41225 "EHLO gate1.pcfax.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49342-4013>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 09:32:52 +0200 Received: from [194.70.160.3] by gate1.pcfax.com (NTMail 4.30.0012/NT9682.00.dfbf7236) with ESMTP id wazsaaaa for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:34:12 +0100 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: My take on the SAM Scene Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 08:32:44 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <02ae01bee7c7$6d41ce90$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 670 Nick Humphries wrote: > Single figure sales and no commitment to rereleasing or compilations > means that these titles are not marketable anymore, so is there any > good reason for not putting them onto an FTP site? It's not surprising sales are low as they're impossible to get hold of! It'd be sad to see some of them being given away when there are a few of us that are still interested in paying for them, if they could find where to buy them from. Could we build a list of known titles and where they can be bought from? Have places like Fred/Persona got full control over certain titles? Are they open for business or when are they expected to be? etc. Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 17 11:16:40 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA00099 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:16:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA13238 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:16:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49567-4013>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:08:06 +0200 Received: from trolly.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.166]:26245 "EHLO trolley.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49562-4013>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:07:45 +0200 Received: from [212.140.65.102] (helo=default) by trolley.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11GfDa-00037m-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:07:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000101bee8d3$1acf76a0$66418cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Help: Outwrite! Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 10:06:42 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 758 I've created so many different versions of Outwrite that I can't remember what version is out there at the moment. I think it's version 2. Trouble is I messed around and did'nt always change the ver number in the program. ( tch,tch smacked wrist ) If anybody uses Outwrite! can they please let me know the following information. When using the drop down menus, can you select an option using the cursor keys and Return, as well as a hot key. Does anyone have version one. If so, when you press the edit key does the top line of the screen flash waiting for an input. Answering these questions will enable me to put the correct version up for grabs. I have Ver 3, but this will only run on a 512k Sam... Could put both up I suppose. Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 17 15:18:51 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id PAA14280 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:18:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id PAA21382 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:18:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49242-4013>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:13:58 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:42256 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49241-4013>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 15:13:37 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id OAA22549 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:13:34 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id OAA27059 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:13:31 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 14:13:31 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM Message-ID: <19990817141330.E26347@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <006801bee811$33d5f2e0$020a0a64@trout> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <006801bee811$33d5f2e0$020a0a64@trout>; from Colin Piggot on Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 07:00:18PM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 792 On Mon, Aug 16, 1999 at 07:00:18PM +0100, Colin Piggot wrote: > Is there anything wrong with another list? I'm not trying to split it, just > offering > another channel for more serious discussion. Your mailer is still misbehaving. If everyone joins both lists then there is no point in having two lists. If some people leave this list to go to the other one then you will indeed have split the list. If not everyone from this list joins the other one then the rest of the list members will be deprived some Sam-related discussion. But you are not trying to split the list? > The same negativity is being shown here just like when Gavin Smith first > announced his Sam-Community idea, which was nearly scrapped due to the > responces here. Would that have been a bad thing? imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 17 18:51:53 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA26333 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:51:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA03148 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:51:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49293-4013>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:42:51 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:19568 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49342-4013>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 18:42:31 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-1-74.cvx6.telinco.net [212.1.153.74]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 2DB7E639C9 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 12:42:08 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37B990D2.A3D5192A@bonbon.net> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 17:41:54 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Funny Thing References: <00f801bee46e$09f5ed00$14468cd4@default> <37B1D6AC.A9A2B6E0@bonbon.net> <002101bee4b2$24c2a440$64a5fea9@simcooke3> <37B8683D.901E8903@bonbon.net> <007201bee822$cb9dc880$64a5fea9@simcooke3> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 52 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 2135 Simon Cooke wrote: > > From: Martin Fitzpatrick > > just ignore it".... no big pictures of the sun in my eyes or anything > > - just a might sensitive to light, so i get echos when going from light > > to dark.... give it a few weeks... :o) > > > > ...a fair bit of it is probably psycho somatic anyway - if it had > > happened on any other day of the year I'd probably be fine by now. > > You might also want to take beta-carotine and Vitamin D & E supplements for > a while... they'll improve your night vision (or rather, your eyes ability > to adapt to differing light levels), and that should help get rid of the > effects you're seeing :) Hehe... not only are you a bit good at coding, you also do a bit of health advice :o)... Well, I'll do what you say... I'm already on something (dunno what), can't help to add a bit more in there... At worst it'll improve my diet. I've also taken to wearing shades (any excuse) to reduce the glare.... I think I'll carry on after its sorted anyway - maybe cheaper in the long run than buying lots of anti-glare screen things. The only problem is it gets a bit dark at night... But got to make sacrifices.. On another point, I went to the optician & they did this test thing (to check if my eyes were aligned properly) by beaming a laser into my eye (making a nice red line) horizontally and vertically.... I ended up walking around with a 'cyborg-like' crosshair for the next few minutes... Which (leading onto something vaguely sam related) - about the eye things (yknow like headset things), didn't someone once mention making one to do 3d animations or something on the Sam (or is that my imagination)... It was definately in a sam magazine somewhere.... (Was it you Simon? :o>)... Something to do with displaying an image to the screen then obscuring one eye with an LCD, then showing another and obscuring the other eye.... Just outta interest... Im in the mood to build something ultimately pointless yet strangely entertaining.. Anyways... thanks for the tip Martin -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 17 20:48:44 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA02687 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:48:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA16172 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:48:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49499-4013>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:47:13 +0200 Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.82]:49794 "EHLO praseodumium.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49505-4013>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:47:00 +0200 Received: from host5-171-232-17.btinternet.com ([195.171.232.17] helo=btinternet.com) by praseodumium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11GoG7-00001r-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:46:55 +0100 Message-ID: <37B9AE20.6B64E32C@btinternet.com> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 19:46:56 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Help: Outwrite! References: <000101bee8d3$1acf76a0$66418cd4@default> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 342 > Does anyone have version one. If so, when you press the edit key does the > top line of the screen flash waiting for an input. I seem to remember having a version 1 which did the flashing top line thing. Might be confused, but I am fairly sure. Alas that disk (and most everything else) is long dead though, so I can't check. -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 17 21:20:29 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA04556 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:20:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA26677 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:20:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49536-4013>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:19:34 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:2571 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49521-4013>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:19:14 +0200 Received: from [195.8.86.253] (helo=default) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11GolL-0006JJ-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:19:12 +0100 Message-ID: <37B9B560.141@clara.net> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 20:17:52 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene References: <00ed01bee7f2$b579c1b0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> <37B85762.F8501846@ukonline.co.uk> <37B8827D.1FCC@clara.net> <37B885D7.8A334D9A@ukonline.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1681 Martin Wilson wrote: [snip] > Well special reserve still have 3do software at £3.99 > Hm. Just think, if I'd actually got a 3DO, I'd be able to buy _that_ version of Policenauts, too! Quite a good version, too, being the 'original' (apart from the PC9821 version which came out the year before) > Saturn stuff is being cleared out in the high st by some Game and EB > stores. I've seen it as low as 99p for an early football game. Better > bundles have been stuff like Quake/duke nukem £15 for the pair. > I think I've got all the UK software I'm after, though I often turn up interesting curiosities in Computer Exchange... Most of the stuff that's still on the shelves in Game or EB is stuff I can easily live without. > If you've got a Saturn I've got Alien Trilogy,Alone in the dark and > blast chamber up for swop. After hexen and starfighter amongst others. > You might try http://www.next-gen.co.uk - I'm fairly sure I saw at least one of those two in their stock, possibly both. They also buy 2nd hand, I think. > I don't know what policenauts is? > Briefly, it's an interactive anime (with shooting bits) by Hideo Kojima (Metal Gear series), set on a huge space colony in the year 2040. It's often called the prequel to Snatcher, but they're not connected, strictly speaking. Unfortunately, the PS/SS English translations were canned when about 90% complete. Not sure if the 3DO got an English version, but it's unlikely. Gord. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 17 23:41:14 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA12053 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:41:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA10849 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:41:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49240-4013>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:38:08 +0200 Received: from server2.screaming.net ([IPv6:::ffff:212.49.224.3]:44648 "EHLO server2.screaming.net" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49595-4013>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:38:02 +0200 Received: from ukonline.co.uk ([212.49.241.189]) by server2.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA25428 for ; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 21:49:25 GMT Message-ID: <37B9D6AF.9AB82523@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:39:59 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene References: <00ed01bee7f2$b579c1b0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> <37B85762.F8501846@ukonline.co.uk> <37B8827D.1FCC@clara.net> <37B885D7.8A334D9A@ukonline.co.uk> <37B9B560.141@clara.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 966 Gordon Wallis wrote: > > Martin Wilson wrote: > [snip] > > Well special reserve still have 3do software at £3.99 > > On the subject of Special Reserve I'm well annoyed with them. I ordered a slot 1 converter from them on a sunday then quickly discovered about a half hour later that their price was about three times that of another supplier. So I went back to the special reserve site to find the sales department email address like you would for many internet shopping sites but there isn't one. I used the webmasters email address to cancel the slot 1 converter but they still sent it anyway or at least it now says on the site it has been despatched. I couldn't believe its a truly crap internet shopping site. To be honest its completely put me off special reserve I probably won't shop there again unless I see a mega bargain. I don't like this sort of thing. Theres bound to be questions, complications etc occasionally so why no contact email addresses? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 18 00:00:49 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA13274 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:00:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA16202 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 00:00:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49575-4013>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:59:09 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:51978 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49586-4013>; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 23:58:59 +0200 Received: from [195.8.88.54] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11GrFw-000Aq4-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 17 Aug 1999 22:58:57 +0100 Message-ID: <000701bdca21$c04327c0$365808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: <00ed01bee7f2$b579c1b0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> <37B85762.F8501846@ukonline.co.uk> <37B8827D.1FCC@clara.net> <37B885D7.8A334D9A@ukonline.co.uk> <37B9B560.141@clara.net> <37B9D6AF.9AB82523@ukonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene Date: Mon, 17 Aug 1998 21:58:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1385 The only reason for shopping around for a Celery adaptor is if u want one of the modified ones for Clocking or dual process use... If not, we do them at work for 5 ex vat ;) David (Actually - think they are duel processor ready!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Wilson To: Sent: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 10:39 PM Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene Gordon Wallis wrote: > > Martin Wilson wrote: > [snip] > > Well special reserve still have 3do software at £3.99 > > On the subject of Special Reserve I'm well annoyed with them. I ordered a slot 1 converter from them on a sunday then quickly discovered about a half hour later that their price was about three times that of another supplier. So I went back to the special reserve site to find the sales department email address like you would for many internet shopping sites but there isn't one. I used the webmasters email address to cancel the slot 1 converter but they still sent it anyway or at least it now says on the site it has been despatched. I couldn't believe its a truly crap internet shopping site. To be honest its completely put me off special reserve I probably won't shop there again unless I see a mega bargain. I don't like this sort of thing. Theres bound to be questions, complications etc occasionally so why no contact email addresses? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 18 09:10:23 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA14204 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:10:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id JAA18195 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:10:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49370-4013>; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:09:10 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:194.70.160.131] ([IPv6:::ffff:194.70.160.131]:21767 "EHLO gate1.pcfax.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49358-4013>; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 09:09:01 +0200 Received: from [194.70.160.3] by gate1.pcfax.com (NTMail 4.30.0012/NT9682.00.dfbf7236) with ESMTP id unzsaaaa for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:09:19 +0100 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: My take on the SAM Scene Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 08:08:40 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <000701bdca21$c04327c0$365808c3@persona> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 338 Dave L wrote: > The only reason for shopping around for a Celery adaptor is if u want one of > the modified ones for Clocking or dual process use... I highly recommend the ABit BP6 for a ready to go dual-Slot370 motherboard - I've got 2 C366s running happily at 550 in one, with little more than a few changes in the BIOS settings. Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 19 19:00:33 1999 Received: from edh.ericsson.se (edh [193.180.212.5]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with SMTP id TAA08118 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:00:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se by edh.ericsson.se (5.0/LME-DOM-2.2.4) id AA02472; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:00:29 --100 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.111]) by condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id CAA03864 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:59:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id CAA03781 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:57:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49680-4013>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:55:56 +0200 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.81]:61653 "EHLO tungsten.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49679-4013>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 02:55:31 +0200 Received: from [62.6.28.199] (helo=store.house) by tungsten.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11HGUL-0007ls-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 01:55:29 +0100 Received: from toy.house [192.168.116.10] by store.house with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11HEdB-0005o5-00; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:56:29 +0100 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <001701beea01$768754c0$6414ac3e@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:55:42 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Help: Outwrite! X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 543 At 10:59 pm +0100 18/8/99, Robert Wilkinson wrote: >Anybody else remember version 2. Did it have cursor control in the menus or >just hot keys.. > >I need to know Istchester buying Outwrite at one of the Gloucester shows. The version number says 2.0, and you *can* use cursor keys in the menus. Heath, Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 19 19:00:49 1999 Received: from edh.ericsson.se (edh [193.180.212.5]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with SMTP id TAA08124 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:00:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se by edh.ericsson.se (5.0/LME-DOM-2.2.4) id AB02461; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:00:45 --100 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.111]) by condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA00684 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:17:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA01199 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:16:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49221-4013>; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:12:53 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:26355 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49203-4013>; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:12:40 +0200 Received: from [212.140.68.195] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11HD09-0006iz-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:12:06 +0100 Message-Id: <001701beea01$768754c0$6414ac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Help: Outwrite! Date: Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:11:36 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 665 -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Harte To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 17 August 1999 11:52 Subject: Re: Help: Outwrite! >> Does anyone have version one. If so, when you press the edit key does the >> top line of the screen flash waiting for an input. > > I seem to remember having a version 1 which did the flashing top line thing. >Might be confused, but I am fairly sure. Alas that disk (and most everything >else) is long dead though, so I can't check. > > -Thomas > Thanks Thomas. Anybody else remember version 2. Did it have cursor control in the menus or just hot keys.. I need to know Bob W From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 19 19:01:10 1999 Received: from edh.ericsson.se (edh [193.180.212.5]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with SMTP id TAA08161 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:01:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se by edh.ericsson.se (5.0/LME-DOM-2.2.4) id 8bit; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:01:07 --100 Errors-To: x-note@nvg.ntnu.no Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.111]) by condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA04647 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:47:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA07367 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:46:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49692-26591>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:39:43 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:194.70.160.131] ([IPv6:::ffff:194.70.160.131]:23565 "EHLO gate1.pcfax.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49212-26591>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:39:22 +0200 Received: from [194.70.160.3] by gate1.pcfax.com (NTMail 4.30.0012/NT9682.00.dfbf7236) with ESMTP id qgataaaa for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:40:05 +0100 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: OT: Celery, Athlon and other vegetables (was: RE: My take on the SAM Scene) Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:39:14 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <005701bdcadc$23f33840$c45208c3@persona> Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 754 Dave L wrote: > After seeing how many Abit boards are dealt with via our returns > department - I wouldn't recommend this to anyone! Then you've been very unlucky - my last 4 boards have been ABit (HX->LX->BH->BP) and I've not had any problems. General review sites also speak highly of them. What sort of problems do you get with them? > Just get an Athlon instead if you want a DECENT bit of power at a reasonable > cost ;) And dual-550 isn't decent? Uniprocessor in Win98 is fast enough, but it flies under NT and Linux (kernel compile in under 2 mins). > (Guess what I'm saving up for?!) The BP6 board and the two chips cost me £205 inc VAT, which is pretty incredible bang for buck - who needs to save up? ;-) How much are Athlons? Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 19 19:01:54 1999 Received: from edh.ericsson.se (edh [193.180.212.5]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with SMTP id TAA08187 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:01:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se by edh.ericsson.se (5.0/LME-DOM-2.2.4) id 3; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:01:50 --100 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.111]) by condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA00562 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:06:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA27665 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 23:04:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49177-4013>; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:59:54 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:60680 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49203-4013>; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:59:42 +0200 Received: from [195.8.87.33] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HCo8-000MxO-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:59:40 +0100 Message-Id: <007f01bdcae2$a2f31060$215708c3@persona> From: "David L" To: "sam-users" Subject: Hmmm - on topic discussion again. Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:58:56 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_007C_01BDCAEB.03E4E620" X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 35 Content-Length: 1081 ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01BDCAEB.03E4E620 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 134 And since when has dual celeron processing been relevant to SAM ? Now that was something that was discussed by Edwin a while ago.... ------=_NextPart_000_007C_01BDCAEB.03E4E620 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 576
And since when has dual celeron = processing been=20 relevant to SAM ?
 
Now that was something that was = discussed by Edwin=20 a while ago....
------=_NextPart_000_007C_01BDCAEB.03E4E620-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 19 19:02:36 1999 Received: from edh.ericsson.se (edh [193.180.212.5]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with SMTP id TAA08211 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:02:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se by edh.ericsson.se (5.0/LME-DOM-2.2.4) id 7bit; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:02:32 --100 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.111]) by condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA03321 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:25:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA22132 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:24:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49689-26591>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:20:55 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:194.70.160.131] ([IPv6:::ffff:194.70.160.131]:44300 "EHLO gate1.pcfax.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49212-26591>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 11:20:45 +0200 Received: from [194.70.160.3] by gate1.pcfax.com (NTMail 4.30.0012/NT9682.00.dfbf7236) with ESMTP id egataaaa for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:21:22 +0100 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: Hmmm - on topic discussion again. Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 10:20:32 +0100 Message-Id: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 In-Reply-To: <007f01bdcae2$a2f31060$215708c3@persona> Importance: Normal X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 299 Dave L wrote: > And since when has dual celeron processing been relevant to SAM ? er, well I can run a SimCoupe on them! It was as on-topic as your message about Celery adaptors! > Now that was something that was discussed by Edwin a while ago.... Musta been before I rejoined the list... Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 19 19:04:39 1999 Received: from edh.ericsson.se (edh [193.180.212.5]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with SMTP id TAA08274 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:04:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se by edh.ericsson.se (5.0/LME-DOM-2.2.4) id AB02461; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:04:37 --100 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.111]) by condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA29284 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:29:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA12372 for ; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:28:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49270-4013>; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:13:33 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:47108 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49231-4013>; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 22:13:26 +0200 Received: from [195.8.82.196] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HC58-000LWF-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 18 Aug 1999 21:13:10 +0100 Message-Id: <005701bdcadc$23f33840$c45208c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: Subject: Re: My take on the SAM Scene Date: Tue, 18 Aug 1998 20:12:26 +0100 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 775 After seeing how many Abit boards are dealt with via our returns department - I wouldn't recommend this to anyone! Just get an Athlon instead if you want a DECENT bit of power at a reasonable cost ;) david (Guess what I'm saving up for?!) ----- Original Message ----- From: Si Owen To: Sent: Wednesday, August 18, 1999 8:08 AM Subject: RE: My take on the SAM Scene > Dave L wrote: > > The only reason for shopping around for a Celery adaptor is if u want one of > > the modified ones for Clocking or dual process use... > > I highly recommend the ABit BP6 for a ready to go dual-Slot370 motherboard - > I've got 2 C366s running happily at 550 in one, with little more than a few > changes in the BIOS settings. > > Si > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 19 19:15:42 1999 Received: from edh.ericsson.se (edh [193.180.212.5]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with SMTP id TAA09058 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:15:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se by edh.ericsson.se (5.0/LME-DOM-2.2.4) id 7bit; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 19:15:37 --100 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.111]) by condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id JAA11550 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 09:00:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id IAA21346 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:58:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49512-26591>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:55:38 +0200 Received: from trolly.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.166]:8126 "EHLO trolley.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49510-26591>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 08:55:16 +0200 Received: from [62.172.20.255] (helo=default) by trolley.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11HM6U-0003kS-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:55:14 +0100 Message-Id: <001301beea52$ed0e2e60$ff14ac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Help: Outwrite! Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 07:46:38 -0700 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 295 > >>Anybody else remember version 2. Did it have cursor control in the menus or >>just hot keys.. >> > >Istchester buying Outwrite at one of the Gloucester shows. The version >number says 2.0, and you *can* use cursor keys in the menus. > Thats what I needed to know. Thanks Bob Wilkinson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 09:42:46 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA27749 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:42:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id JAA08923 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:42:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49292-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:40:49 +0200 Received: from ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.227.50.25]:41116 "HELO ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49274-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:40:24 +0200 Received: from torres.mcs.surrey.ac.uk by ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1-ident) id m11HjHi-0001dcC; Fri, 20 Aug 99 08:40 BST Received: from eep2ag by torres.mcs.surrey.ac.uk with local (Exim 0.57 #1) id 11HjHh-0007lz-00; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:40:21 +0100 Subject: Re: SAM Downloads To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:40:21 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <19990819205207.DFCBB3B0C@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> from "Robert van der Veeke" at Aug 19, 99 10:53:11 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 562 > Emulation is the only way forward at this moment, unless Bob makes a full > U-turn and starts promoting and selling the Sam with full and honest > enthousiasm. > It really annoys me to think of the stockpiles of ASICs just rotting in a corner somewhere. It'd be perfectly possible to put together a decent SBC with SAM BASIC for the electronics enthusiast market for 20 or 30 quid, but no.... Full-blown SAMs would never sell now, it's not like the Atari ST or Amiga market where there are some die-hard enthusiasts with decent modern software to use. Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 09:44:12 1999 Received: from condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.25]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA27770 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:44:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.111]) by condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA26678 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:57:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA23186 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:54:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49719-26591>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:52:17 +0200 Received: from maillist.kabelfoon.nl ([IPv6:::ffff:194.178.9.136]:28178 "HELO maillist.kabelfoon.nl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49715-26591>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:52:09 +0200 Received: from fuchikoma (k2ms287.dial.kabelfoon.nl [212.136.93.33]) by maillist.kabelfoon.nl (Postfix) with ESMTP id DFCBB3B0C for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:52:07 +0200 (CEST) From: "Robert van der Veeke" To: Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Date: Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:53:11 +0200 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Priority: 3 X-Mailer: Microsoft Internet Mail 4.70.1157 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <19990819205207.DFCBB3B0C@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Length: 1806 > Van: Johnna Teare > Aan: persona@clara.co.uk > CC: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Onderwerp: Re: SAM Downloads > Datum: Tuesday, August 17, 1999 12:55 > Sorry folks, but its open season now. Either come up with some > attractive ways of remarketing games that most SAM owners > already have, or expect the worst. Why expecting it? It is already here, the Sam is dead as a doornail. At least that is what is happening in the Dutch situation, only a handfull of active Sam-users remain, and basically have everything that money could buy for the Sam. So don't expect a market overhere. Even in the very unlikely case that there are people who are willing to buy a Sam overhere in the Netherlands, there is no way that they gonna pay another 100 to a 150 quid for a decent collection of software. And i don't blame them (mind you, all back-issue's of Fred alone would (if they cost a pound per issue) cost you 80 pounds). > This is a chance to do somethig a bit different and take the SAM > into the new millenium with a chance of survival - even if it is only > in emulated form. Emulation is the only way forward at this moment, unless Bob makes a full U-turn and starts promoting and selling the Sam with full and honest enthousiasm. But don't expect much from the new emulator-users unless they already own or have owned a Sam Coupe when it comes to programming-projects. > Go on - send me the death threats that usually accompany > anybody who tries to undermine the great Fred / Format empire. > > [god i love stirring it up!] I know the feeling, and i am glad you did. -- Robert van der Veeke, aka RJV Graphics [rjvveeke@caiw.nl] Currently listening to : Cardcaptor Sakura - OST The trick to walking upright is not to use your knuckles. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 09:44:16 1999 Received: from condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.25]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA27775 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:44:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.111]) by condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA26210 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:25:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA11700 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:22:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49719-26591>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:18:12 +0200 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.210]:64324 "EHLO mail2.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49715-26591>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 22:17:49 +0200 Received: from modem-65.androstenedione.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.52.193] helo=johnna-teare) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HYd7-0004ZA-00; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 21:17:46 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: persona@clara.co.uk Date: Tue, 17 Aug 1999 11:55:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Downloads CC: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 79 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 3119 On 16 Aug 99, at 16:25, David Ledbury wrote: > > On 15 Aug 99, at 22:24, Martin Wilson wrote: > > > > > > The last time this one was mentioned someone went on to say that > > > > they shouldn't be uploaded because of various copyright reasons. > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > I think before u even think of doing this - you should contact Persona: > their telephone number is on my website www.persona.clara.net The reasons why we've put this debate into the public forum is to get feedback and debate the issue publically. Certainly the arguments _for_ putting some downloads up are clear. I'm waiting for someone to enter into the public forum and explain the reasons _against_. Of course I'm not out to put everybody in the SAM world out of a job, and I don't want to damage any potential trade that might exist, but most of teh games and utilities that I would be interested in putting on an ftp were written ten years ago - thing like MultiPack, Mind Games, Defenders etc. Utils like Etracker - freeware anyway now, perhaps version 1 of the MIDI Sequencer, Football Director II, Famous Five, Issues 1-50 of FRED, pretty much every other disk magazine. Most of the people on this list are likely to already have this stuff anyway - the only people who'd be getting freebies would be those who were new to the SAM Emulator scene - people who are unlikely to buy any of this software from a company whilst just dabbling with the SAM but who would possibly putmoney into the SAM if they got interested in it. Companies have been flogging some of this software for ten years now - imagine if Ocean were selling Hunchback or Mr Wimpy for full price whilst they were releasing Chase HQ on the Speccy - it would have been ridiculous. There's nothing stopping people from putting the files up there now - stick them on an ftp in another country, Russia for example, and you'd have a nightmare trying to bring a copyright suit against them. However, the whole thing is much better done in cooperation with the SAM world rather than against it. A better idea would be to knock up a CDR with everything the SAM has had written for it on it plus an emulator. You could then flog this and redirect some money back into the companies who participated. The last tim this kind of idea was mooted around, various 'industry heavies' if indeed we have a SAM industry scrambled around desperately trying to put a stop to it all to preserve their crumbling monopolies. Sorry folks, but its open season now. Either come up with some attractive ways of remarketing games that most SAM owners already have, or expect the worst. This is a chance to do somethig a bit different and take the SAM into the new millenium with a chance of survival - even if it is only in emulated form. Go on - send me the death threats that usually accompany anybody who tries to undermine the great Fred / Format empire. [god i love stirring it up!] > > > -- > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 09:50:37 1999 Received: from condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.25]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA28474 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:50:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska-ext.wise.edt.ericsson.se [194.237.142.111]) by condor.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA12018 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:29:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA28775 for ; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:27:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49701-26591>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:18:28 +0200 Received: from nemesis.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.86]:3345 "EHLO nemesis.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49695-26591>; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 14:18:09 +0200 Received: from claranet by nemesis.clara.net with local (Exim 2.05 #2) id 11HQuq-0003bL-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 19 Aug 1999 13:03:32 +0100 From: David Ledbury To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: OT: Celery, Athlon and other vegetables (was: RE: My take on the SAM Scene) X-Sender: persona@clara.co.uk X-Mailer: ClaraNet WWW E-Mail Client Date: Thu, 19 Aug 99 13:03:32 BST Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 195 Status: RO X-Lines: 6 > The BP6 board and the two chips cost me =A3205 inc VAT, which is pretty > incredible bang for buck - who needs to save up? ;-) How much are Athlo= > ns? only 195 + the dreaded v word.... ! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 10:24:02 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA00426 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:23:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA10191 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:23:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49292-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:22:39 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:14605 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49274-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:22:20 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:29:36 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CA1@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SAM Downloads Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:29:29 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 15 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 652 >It really annoys me to think of the stockpiles of ASICs just rotting >in a corner somewhere. It'd be perfectly possible to put together a >decent SBC with SAM BASIC for the electronics enthusiast market for >20 or 30 quid, but no.... Full-blown SAMs would never sell now, it's >not like the Atari ST or Amiga market where there are some die-hard >enthusiasts with decent modern software to use. I mentioned to Bob ages ago that he should advertise the SAM in electronics magazines. It's an excellent platform for electronics experiments.... It's the one reason why I got my SAM out of the attic a couple of years ago. But, "No!" he said... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 10:53:41 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA02203 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:53:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA03456 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:53:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49294-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:51:40 +0200 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.41]:38161 "EHLO finch-post-12.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49292-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:51:23 +0200 Received: from tissoft.demon.co.uk ([158.152.185.177] helo=postoffice.tissoft.co.uk) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with esmtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11HkOK-0005Aw-0C; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 08:51:19 +0000 Received: from tistemp3 by postoffice.tissoft.co.uk (8.9.1) id JAA11370; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:51:41 +0100 X-sendmail-revision: 29-Mar-1999 (23) by ant@tissoft.co.uk Message-ID: <02f101beeae9$358598e0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> From: "Nick Humphries" To: , Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 09:51:35 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1095 From: Johnna Teare >There's nothing stopping people from putting the files up there now >- stick them on an ftp in another country, Russia for example, and >you'd have a nightmare trying to bring a copyright suit against >them. However, the whole thing is much better done in cooperation >with the SAM world rather than against it. One thing to remember is that there's been a recent case where a Brit put up illegal material onto a website in some Eastern European country, but still got taken to court here because that's where he did the uploading. But there's not much you can do if you have an anonymous webmaster running it all. Not that I'm advocating that of course... >Sorry folks, but its open season now. Either come up with some >attractive ways of remarketing games that most SAM owners >already have, or expect the worst. Like it or not, this is indeed the case - either have a hand in it now and have some influence, or be frozen out forever. >[god i love stirring it up!] Well, these things have to be said. Nick From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 11:06:02 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA03031 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:06:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA13416 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:05:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49301-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:05:13 +0200 Received: from ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.227.50.25]:14753 "HELO ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49274-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:04:54 +0200 Received: from yavanna.mcs.surrey.ac.uk by ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1-ident) id m11Hkb5-0001gJC; Fri, 20 Aug 99 10:04 BST Received: from eep2ag by yavanna.mcs.surrey.ac.uk with local (Exim 0.57 #1) id 11Hkb4-00053R-00; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:04:26 +0100 Subject: Re: SAM Downloads To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:04:26 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CA1@mailhost.aculab.com> from "Justin Skists" at Aug 20, 99 09:29:29 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 503 > electronics magazines. It's an excellent platform for electronics > experiments.... It's the one reason why I got my SAM out of the attic > a couple of years ago. > It's the only thing I use my SAM for, and very convenient it is too. A real wated opportunity, if you ask me. Tweak the BASIC ROM to accept input from a PC keyboard, modify the DOS (and hold it in ROM) to read/write an EEPROM, add a PIO, and a serial interface to back-up files to a PC, and hey bingo: a perfect tinkerer's machine. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 11:06:16 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA03030 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:05:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA13413 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:05:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49292-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:03:41 +0200 Received: from trolly.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.166]:55464 "EHLO trolley.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49274-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:03:21 +0200 Received: from [212.140.71.173] (helo=default) by trolley.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11HkZv-000690-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:03:15 +0100 Message-ID: <002301beeb2d$f7680e40$6a1eac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Downloads. Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:02:52 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 140 Iv'e sent Outwrite! and a Morse code tutor to David Ledbury to place on the Persona site. Anybody else got something... Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 11:20:45 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA03872 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:20:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA24305 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:20:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49312-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:06:12 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:5391 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49274-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:05:57 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:13:14 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CA5@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Downloads. Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:13:07 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 417 Damn! I knew I should keep a few DS/DD disks handy, here, at work!!!! Thanks. :) Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Wilkinson [SMTP:Wilkinson40@tesco.net] > Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 6:03 PM > To: Sam Usergroup > Subject: Downloads. > > Iv'e sent Outwrite! and a Morse code tutor to David Ledbury to place on > the > Persona site. > > Anybody else got something... > > Bob Wilkinson. > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 11:25:03 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA04002 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:25:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA26326 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:23:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49274-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:21:11 +0200 Received: from orange.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.77]:40353 "EHLO orange.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49292-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:21:07 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by orange.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11Hkr6-000204-00; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:21:00 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:21:00 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Downloads In-Reply-To: <02f101beeae9$358598e0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 35 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 1268 On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Nick Humphries wrote: > >[god i love stirring it up!] > > Well, these things have to be said. Said to whom? As I understand it Colin MacDonald sold all the FRED copyrights; the Brenchley doesn't appear to be subscribed at the moment; and David L seems not to be involved with Persona any more. In fact I don't think anyone on Sam-users has the power to actually do anything about this, or at least not legally. (In fact, some months ago I considered the idea of putting Syncytium - possibly excepting one or two programs - online, but even my own hands are tied until someone from Persona gets back in contact to me.) It's difficult to contact anyone who owns anything anymore - and that's assuming you can even work out who owns what. The only person I'm convinced is familiar with enough of the details to be sure about the situation is Bob who, frankly, I certainly wouldn't trust to give a straight answer were he ever asked. Which just about puts the tin lid on the whole thing, unfortunately. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 11:37:29 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA04668 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:37:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA06064 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:37:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49373-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:31:11 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:47620 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49345-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:30:53 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA25246 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:30:43 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id KAA05147 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:30:40 +0100 (BST) Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:30:39 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Message-ID: <19990820103039.B5098@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <02f101beeae9$358598e0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Andrew Collier on Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 10:21:00AM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 466 On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 10:21:00AM +0100, Andrew Collier wrote: > As I understand it Colin MacDonald sold all the FRED copyrights; To whom? > the Brenchley doesn't appear to be subscribed at the moment; and David L > seems not to be involved with Persona any more. So who *is* involved with Persona? > It's difficult to contact anyone who owns anything anymore That must make it rather difficult to buy anything - no wonder there isn't much of a market... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 11:54:30 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA05674 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:54:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA17528 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:54:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49274-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:53:02 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:39373 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49292-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:52:45 +0200 Received: from [212.140.68.108] (helo=physics.org) by aisle.tesco.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11HlLj-0003DJ-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:52:39 +0100 Message-ID: <37BD24F8.9B31F84A@physics.org> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:50:50 +0100 From: Diggory Gray X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Downloads References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CA1@mailhost.aculab.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 806 > I mentioned to Bob ages ago that he should advertise the SAM in > electronics magazines. It's an excellent platform for electronics > experiments.... It's the one reason why I got my SAM out of the attic > a couple of years ago. > > But, "No!" he said... > > Justin. To add to that :) A while (OK a very long time ago) when the SAM came out it was featured in the Magazine Everyday Electronics, where they did some stuff about its interface, etc... I was too young to do much with it then. Unfortunately due to various problems we all know about, they stopped the SAM & speccy column. I believe they have a PC one now. Diggory -- /\ /\ "Be quick to judge yourself and / \_/ \ slow to judge others" / . . \EOW CAT Y http://homepages.tesco.net/~Diggory/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 12:04:18 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA06296 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:04:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA23568 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:04:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49326-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:54:52 +0200 Received: from orange.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.77]:25276 "EHLO orange.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49312-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:54:33 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by orange.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11HlNX-00043N-00; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:54:31 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 10:54:31 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Downloads In-Reply-To: <19990820103039.B5098@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 48 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 1868 On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Ian Collier wrote: > On Fri, Aug 20, 1999 at 10:21:00AM +0100, Andrew Collier wrote: > > As I understand it Colin MacDonald sold all the FRED copyrights; > > To whom? IIRC Darren Wileman. Who did nothing until selling it to someone else. I think it all may eventually have got as far as Persona, but I lose track. > > the Brenchley doesn't appear to be subscribed at the moment; and David L > > seems not to be involved with Persona any more. > > So who *is* involved with Persona? Malcolm's family, as far as I can gather. But, well - shortly after Malcolm's death noone knew whether Persona would be continuing, and there were various (entirely reasonable and understandable) requests not to overwhelm the family with enquiries about Malcolm's old business. And as far as I was aware, that hadn't changed. Which is why I hadn't written nor phoned - not wanting to upset anyone I've been just waiting until some sort of announcement was made. But so far there's been nothing. And yet, the website implies that Persona is open for business, at the old address. I just don't know whether to believe that or not, since the site doesn't appear to have been updated that much for a long while. For some time I've been wanting to buy Chris Pile's "Defender" game. But I've been too nervous about Persona's current stalemate to dare send a cheque - who knows if I'd ever see it again? > > It's difficult to contact anyone who owns anything anymore > > That must make it rather difficult to buy anything - no wonder there isn't > much of a market... Yes, this is precisely what Si Owen was saying too. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 12:53:24 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA09303 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:53:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA24304 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:53:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49373-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:45:54 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:194.70.160.131] ([IPv6:::ffff:194.70.160.131]:55568 "EHLO gate1.pcfax.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49274-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 12:45:39 +0200 Received: from [194.70.160.3] by gate1.pcfax.com (NTMail 4.30.0012/NT9682.00.dfbf7236) with ESMTP id mabtaaaa for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:46:28 +0100 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: SAM Downloads Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 11:45:31 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 818 Andrew Collier wrote: > For some time I've been wanting to buy Chris Pile's "Defender" game. But > I've been too nervous about Persona's current stalemate to dare send a > cheque - who knows if I'd ever see it again? Back in April I was asking about buying software from Persona and Dave Ledbury said I should be fine to place an order, making the cheque payable to Mrs Mackenzie. I didn't receive the order and the cheque was never payed in AFAIK (don't they expire after about 6 months?). Hopefully Persona will be back up and running at some point so I can re-order the items (including Defender :-)), but I've been waiting for a message from David before I do anything. It's a shame that so many items are stuck until Persona's back, but I understand the sensitive situation so am prepared to wait a bit. Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 15:08:19 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id PAA17427 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:08:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id PAA29349 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:08:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49427-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:05:18 +0200 Received: from mail.enterprise.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.72.192.18]:14596 "EHLO mail.enterprise.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49408-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:05:00 +0200 Received: from chris--pc (max03-037.enterprise.net [194.72.196.37]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id OAA15253 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:04:57 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-ID: <003501beeb0c$9a6e3000$25c448c2@chris--pc.> From: "Chris Pile" To: Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:04:13 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1160 -----Original Message----- From: Si Owen >Hopefully Persona will be back up and running at some point so I can re-order >the items (including Defender :-)), but I've been waiting for a message from >David before I do anything. It's a shame that so many items are stuck until >Persona's back, but I understand the sensitive situation so am prepared to >wait a bit. No written contract was ever drawn up with Persona regarding the rights to Defender, so technically I still own all rights to it... However, the game was written to be marketed by Persona and a sort of 'verbal agreement' was made between myself and Malcolm. Personally I have no objections about releasing Defender into the PD, and I've mentioned this to David L. on several occasions. After all, the game was never going to make any money and it seems a shame for it to remain hidden forever... However, it would be morally wrong of me to release it without his 'permission' as he seems to be the only tangible link to Persona. So far he's been rather vague about the whole thing, which is not his fault as I think he's as 'in the dark' as the rest of us. Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 15:35:54 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id PAA19287 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:35:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id PAA18247 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:35:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49600-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:20:55 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:55051 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49624-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:20:45 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:28:04 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CB3@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SAM Downloads Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 14:28:00 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 12 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 270 >From Chris Pile: > So far he's been rather >vague >about the whole thing, which is not his fault as I think he's as 'in the >dark' as the >rest of us. This is true.. He still hasn't been given permission to release the latest in the Blitz disk-mag series... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 16:34:02 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id QAA22655 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:33:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id QAA00728 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:33:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49245-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:23:55 +0200 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.70]:52153 "EHLO red.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49200-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:23:31 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11HpZi-0005O1-00; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:23:22 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 15:23:22 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Downloads In-Reply-To: <003501beeb0c$9a6e3000$25c448c2@chris--pc.> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 33 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 1320 On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Chris Pile wrote: > No written contract was ever drawn up with Persona regarding the rights to > Defender, so technically I still own all rights to it... However, the game > was > written to be marketed by Persona and a sort of 'verbal agreement' was made > between myself and Malcolm. > > Personally I have no objections about releasing Defender into the PD, and > I've > mentioned this to David L. on several occasions. After all, the game was > never > going to make any money and it seems a shame for it to remain hidden > forever... Syncytium is in the same boat entirely, except it is much older (and shows it!). I really think it has sold as many copies as it is going to, at least at its current price. But I agree with Si - Defender is still quite new and I don't think it has had a chance to sell to its entire market yet. Has it ever been for sale at a Gloucester show, for example? (I often tried to buy software at shows rather than by mail, partly because you can only be sure a product is released when you've got a copy in your hand...) Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 17:19:01 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA25066 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:19:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA28351 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:18:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49208-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:13:18 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:194.70.160.131] ([IPv6:::ffff:194.70.160.131]:34570 "EHLO gate1.pcfax.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49200-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:13:01 +0200 Received: from [194.70.160.3] by gate1.pcfax.com (NTMail 4.30.0012/NT9682.00.dfbf7236) with ESMTP id xfbtaaaa for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:13:59 +0100 From: "Si Owen" To: Subject: RE: SAM Downloads Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:12:24 +0100 Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2910.0) X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 423 Andrew Collier wrote: > But I agree with Si - Defender is still quite new and I don't think it has > had a chance to sell to its entire market yet. Has it ever been for sale > at a Gloucester show, for example? I'm up for buying it from anyone that's offering (legally)! I can't remember what else I was interested in buying now tho. I'll have to have a look around for some reviews - I'm open to suggestions too... Si From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 17:19:01 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA25068 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:19:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA28361 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:19:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49344-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:18:06 +0200 Received: from mail.enterprise.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.72.192.18]:22279 "EHLO mail.enterprise.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49330-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:17:54 +0200 Received: from chris--pc (max02-045.enterprise.net [194.72.195.165]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id QAA18192 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:17:41 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-ID: <001201beeb1f$2846e180$a5c348c2@chris--pc.> From: "Chris Pile" To: Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:17:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 848 -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Collier >But I agree with Si - Defender is still quite new and I don't think it has >had a chance to sell to its entire market yet. Has it ever been for sale >at a Gloucester show, for example? I'm not sure. I think it was demoed at the last NSSS Malcolm attended, as for other outlets I can't say. I did produce a playable demo for the next issue of Blitz but I don't know if it will be included. Assuming there will be a next issue of Blitz that is!! >(I often tried to buy software at shows >rather than by mail, partly because you can only be sure a product is >released when you've got a copy in your hand...) Agreed. However, I can assure you Defender is complete. In fact it was finished back in February. Sadly, now getting hold of a copy is a different story... Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 17:52:59 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA26996 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:52:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA24819 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:52:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49247-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:47:58 +0200 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.70]:6785 "EHLO red.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49208-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:47:38 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11HqtA-0003Is-00; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:47:32 +0100 Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:47:32 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: SAM Downloads In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 22 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 742 On Fri, 20 Aug 1999, Si Owen wrote: > I can't remember > what else I was interested in buying now tho. I'll have to have a look around > for some reviews - I'm open to suggestions too... Don't forget that Astroball and Dyzonium are also bundled with Defender... both superb games too, IMHO (they each got "Game Of The Month!" in Second Opinion - see http://mnemotech.ucam.org/zodiac.html for reviews). Funny that! Wasn't someone saying that old games should start getting packaged in compilations? Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 18:28:21 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA28740 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:28:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA16114 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:28:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49258-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:25:20 +0200 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.19]:21560 "EHLO mail3.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49247-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:25:09 +0200 Received: from modem-68.androstenedione.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.52.196] helo=johnna-teare) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HrTW-0001wA-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:25:06 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:26:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Downloads References: <02f101beeae9$358598e0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 1129 On 20 Aug 99, at 10:21, Andrew Collier wrote: > It's difficult to contact anyone who owns anything anymore - and that's > assuming you can even work out who owns what. The only person I'm > convinced is familiar with enough of the details to be sure about the > situation is Bob who, frankly, I certainly wouldn't trust to give a > straight answer were he ever asked. > > Which just about puts the tin lid on the whole thing, unfortunately. > But if we could all agree in principle to trying to release some of the earlier stuff from their contracts we could get quite a nice little database of stuff up online. And where has Bob gone? I've normally got a mailbox of hatemail by now for suggesting stuf like this... > Andrew > > -- > -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other > -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a > -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file > -- > > > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 18:28:21 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA28743 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:28:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA16123 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:28:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49415-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:25:39 +0200 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.19]:22840 "EHLO mail3.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49283-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:25:12 +0200 Received: from modem-68.androstenedione.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.52.196] helo=johnna-teare) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HrTb-0001wA-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:25:11 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:26:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Downloads In-reply-to: <19990819205207.DFCBB3B0C@maillist.kabelfoon.nl> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 1584 On 19 Aug 99, at 22:53, Robert van der Veeke wrote: > Even in the very unlikely case that there are people who are willing to > buy a Sam overhere in the Netherlands, there is no way that they gonna pay > another 100 to a 150 quid for a decent collection of software. And i don't > blame them (mind you, all back-issue's of Fred alone would (if they cost a > pound per issue) cost you 80 pounds). > Which is why issue 1-30 at the vey least should be released on an ftp somewhere. > > This is a chance to do somethig a bit different and take the SAM > > into the new millenium with a chance of survival - even if it is only in > > emulated form. > > Emulation is the only way forward at this moment, unless Bob makes a full > U-turn and starts promoting and selling the Sam with full and honest > enthousiasm. But don't expect much from the new emulator-users unless they > already own or have owned a Sam Coupe when it comes to > programming-projects. > But SIMCoupe might just bring back into the fold some of teh talented programmers we've lost. Without a doubt some of teh best programmers have originated on Speccy and then moved to Sam. Just look at what a small user base we had, and then look at the quality of some of the games we got. Wouldn't it be nice if people who had gone on to better things were able to double click on a little Sim Coupe icon on their desktop and run off some more works of art for fun? Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 18:28:22 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA28748 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:28:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA16130 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:28:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49333-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:26:59 +0200 Received: from mail.enterprise.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.72.192.18]:19465 "EHLO mail.enterprise.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49283-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:26:50 +0200 Received: from chris--pc (max04-070.enterprise.net [194.72.196.190]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id RAA05039 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:26:46 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-ID: <000c01beeb28$cd5261a0$bec448c2@chris--pc.> From: "Chris Pile" To: Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:26:41 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 492 -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Collier >Don't forget that Astroball and Dyzonium are also bundled with Defender... >both superb games too, IMHO (they each got "Game Of The Month!" in Second >Opinion - see http://mnemotech.ucam.org/zodiac.html for reviews). Check out the 3d racing game RE-VOLT, due out on the PC shortly. This was written by Balor Knight (who know works at Acclaim), the author of both Astroball & Dyzonium... That's *almost* on topic! ;-) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 18:28:35 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA28738 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:28:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA16108 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:28:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49410-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:25:19 +0200 Received: from mail3.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.19]:22328 "EHLO mail3.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49258-26591> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:25:11 +0200 Received: from modem-68.androstenedione.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.52.196] helo=johnna-teare) by mail3.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HrTX-0001wA-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:25:08 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:26:02 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Subject: SAM Stuff for sale In-reply-to: <02f101beeae9$358598e0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Length: 926 Anybody who wants some SAM software, I'm selling the rest of mine... All magazines £1 each FRED 1-75 SAM Supp 1-24 SCAC 1-12 (although you can downloads these anyway from somewhere) Newsdisk 1-5 Various others (enceladus, primus etc.) Make an offer for the games (some have got the original boxes which you can have if you pay postage on them) Famous Five, Witchin Hour, Lemmings, Ore Warz 2 (NEVER RELEASED!), Labyrinth, Bombs Away, Invaders, Muncher, PoP, Quizball, Defenders, bulgulators, dyzonium (which are shareware anyway iirc), batz n ballz, manic miner, eftpotrm, klax, Make an offer for utils: SAM C, Sam Vision, ETracker, Sound Machine, sam paint, SCADs, SC_DTP, SC_Word PRO V1, SC_Pro V2 And if you're really feeling flush: SAM 512k with Disk Drive Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 18:47:57 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA29931 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:47:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA23740 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:47:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49247-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:43:39 +0200 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.210]:19547 "EHLO mail2.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49415-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 18:43:27 +0200 Received: from modem-92.mirtazapine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.80.92] helo=johnna-teare) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HrlE-0005Bu-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:43:25 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 17:44:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: SAM Downloads References: In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 35 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 1057 On 20 Aug 99, at 16:47, Andrew Collier wrote: > Don't forget that Astroball and Dyzonium are also bundled with Defender... > both superb games too, IMHO (they each got "Game Of The Month!" in Second > Opinion - see http://mnemotech.ucam.org/zodiac.html for reviews). >From what I remember, The Bulgulators and Dyzonium were released as shareware anyway, when Lemmings went overdue. Certainly all those who had paid for Lemmings but had not yet received it got a disk with lemmings demo on and those two games > > Funny that! Wasn't someone saying that old games should start getting > packaged in compilations? But where can we get it from? > > Andrew > > -- > -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other > -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a > -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file > -- > > > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 20:39:47 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA05837 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:39:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA06198 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:39:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49478-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:36:10 +0200 Received: from black-sun.demon.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:212.228.147.62]:52740 "HELO black-sun.demon.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49485-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:36:00 +0200 Received: from black-sun ([127.0.0.1]) by black-sun.demon.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.0.0.990) id BLCK342419304 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:33:33 +0100 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 16:33:31 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Message-ID: References: <02f101beeae9$358598e0$4f4020c0@tistemp3.tissoft.co.uk> In-reply-to: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 493 [snip] > situation is Bob who, frankly, I certainly wouldn't trust to give a > straight answer were he ever asked. > Which just about puts the tin lid on the whole thing, unfortunately. Why? Do it anyway, and see what Bob does. Unlikely to be anything now, given that the Sam is effectively dead (and has been for quite some time). -- Paul The INTJ's Prayer: Lord keep me open to others' ideas, WRONG though they may be. -- quoted by Kevin Scaldeferri in sci.physics, 10th July 1998. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 21:08:55 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA07477 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:08:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA14413 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:08:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49501-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:07:40 +0200 Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.83]:27126 "EHLO neodymium.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49478-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:07:30 +0200 Received: from host62-172-203-155.btinternet.com ([62.172.203.155] helo=btinternet.com) by neodymium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11Hu0P-0001XC-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:07:13 +0100 Message-ID: <37BDA757.11AD46E0@btinternet.com> Date: Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:07:03 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Stuff for sale References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 385 > Famous Five, Witchin Hour, Lemmings, Ore Warz 2 (NEVER > RELEASED!), Labyrinth, Bombs Away, Invaders, Muncher, PoP, > Quizball, Defenders, bulgulators, dyzonium (which are shareware > anyway iirc), batz n ballz, manic miner, eftpotrm, klax, Anybody know which of these I could use with SIM Coupé? Also, sorry to remove from the mystique, but Ore Warz 2 is on nvg . . . -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 21:23:27 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA08405 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:23:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA19103 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:23:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49507-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:21:52 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:14610 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49478-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:21:27 +0200 Received: from [195.8.88.91] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HuE9-0008nQ-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:21:26 +0100 Message-ID: <002f01bdcc67$3d7f69a0$5b5808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: Subject: Re: SAM Stuff for sale Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:20:40 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1266 I could do with at least one copy of all those titles. What's a fair - and not forgetting I'm no millionare - price for them all (software wise!)? ----- Original Message ----- From: Johnna Teare To: Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 6:26 PM Subject: SAM Stuff for sale Anybody who wants some SAM software, I'm selling the rest of mine... All magazines £1 each FRED 1-75 SAM Supp 1-24 SCAC 1-12 (although you can downloads these anyway from somewhere) Newsdisk 1-5 Various others (enceladus, primus etc.) Make an offer for the games (some have got the original boxes which you can have if you pay postage on them) Famous Five, Witchin Hour, Lemmings, Ore Warz 2 (NEVER RELEASED!), Labyrinth, Bombs Away, Invaders, Muncher, PoP, Quizball, Defenders, bulgulators, dyzonium (which are shareware anyway iirc), batz n ballz, manic miner, eftpotrm, klax, Make an offer for utils: SAM C, Sam Vision, ETracker, Sound Machine, sam paint, SCADs, SC_DTP, SC_Word PRO V1, SC_Pro V2 And if you're really feeling flush: SAM 512k with Disk Drive Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 21:23:30 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA08408 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:23:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA19108 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:23:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49509-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:22:22 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:25106 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49478-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:22:02 +0200 Received: from [195.8.88.91] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HuEj-0008oB-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:22:01 +0100 Message-ID: <003901bdcc67$529d9a00$5b5808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: <000c01beeb28$cd5261a0$bec448c2@chris--pc.> Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:21:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 698 Smashing! ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Pile To: Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 5:26 PM Subject: Re: SAM Downloads > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Collier > > > >Don't forget that Astroball and Dyzonium are also bundled with Defender... > >both superb games too, IMHO (they each got "Game Of The Month!" in Second > >Opinion - see http://mnemotech.ucam.org/zodiac.html for reviews). > > > Check out the 3d racing game RE-VOLT, due out on the PC shortly. This was > written by Balor Knight (who know works at Acclaim), the author of both > Astroball > & Dyzonium... That's *almost* on topic! ;-) > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 21:23:41 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA08404 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:23:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA19100 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:23:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49520-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:20:11 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:55569 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49539-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:19:58 +0200 Received: from [195.8.88.91] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HuCi-0008lO-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:19:56 +0100 Message-ID: <001d01bdcc67$0800a640$5b5808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: <003501beeb0c$9a6e3000$25c448c2@chris--pc.> Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:19:11 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1758 And that, to be perfectly honest, is bang on! I've had Blitz 9 ready for months and months and months - sent off 2 copies, sent several emails, left several messages.... and people wonder why *I* am pissed off! I do intend to sort something out (hopefully this weekend if I get a few hours to myself!) with Colin McD & Chris P - so please hold fire!!! David ----- Original Message ----- From: Chris Pile To: Sent: Friday, August 20, 1999 2:04 PM Subject: Re: SAM Downloads > -----Original Message----- > From: Si Owen > > > >Hopefully Persona will be back up and running at some point so I can > re-order > >the items (including Defender :-)), but I've been waiting for a message > from > >David before I do anything. It's a shame that so many items are stuck > until > >Persona's back, but I understand the sensitive situation so am prepared to > >wait a bit. > > No written contract was ever drawn up with Persona regarding the rights to > Defender, so technically I still own all rights to it... However, the game > was > written to be marketed by Persona and a sort of 'verbal agreement' was made > between myself and Malcolm. > > Personally I have no objections about releasing Defender into the PD, and > I've > mentioned this to David L. on several occasions. After all, the game was > never > going to make any money and it seems a shame for it to remain hidden > forever... > > However, it would be morally wrong of me to release it without his > 'permission' as > he seems to be the only tangible link to Persona. So far he's been rather > vague > about the whole thing, which is not his fault as I think he's as 'in the > dark' as the > rest of us. > > Chris. > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 20 21:34:29 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA09056 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:34:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA22467 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:34:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49548-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:29:02 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:51716 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49540-26591>; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 21:28:52 +0200 Received: from [195.8.88.91] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HuLL-0008wh-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 20:28:51 +0100 Message-ID: <008701bdcc68$46f88880$5b5808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: <002f01bdcc67$3d7f69a0$5b5808c3@persona> Subject: Re: SAM Stuff for sale Date: Thu, 20 Aug 1998 19:28:06 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 869 Oh - and Malcolm managed to sort out owner ship on just about all of these (exc3eept the jupiter stuff (excluding Booty!)!) ----- Original Message ----- From: David L To: Sent: Thursday, August 20, 1998 7:20 PM Subject: Re: SAM Stuff for sale Famous Five, Witchin Hour, Lemmings, Ore Warz 2 (NEVER RELEASED!), Labyrinth, Bombs Away, Invaders, Muncher, PoP, Quizball, Defenders, bulgulators, dyzonium (which are shareware anyway iirc), batz n ballz, manic miner, eftpotrm, klax, Make an offer for utils: SAM C, Sam Vision, ETracker, Sound Machine, sam paint, SCADs, SC_DTP, SC_Word PRO V1, SC_Pro V2 And if you're really feeling flush: SAM 512k with Disk Drive Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 21 01:09:07 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA20562 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:09:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA15590 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:09:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49548-26591>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:07:27 +0200 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.20]:19977 "EHLO tele-post-20.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49550-26591>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:07:16 +0200 Received: from twilighte.demon.co.uk ([193.237.162.10] helo=pre-installedco) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Hxkg-000LbK-0K for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:07:14 +0000 Message-ID: <000601beeb60$d0989180$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> From: "Jonathan Bristow" To: Subject: Re: SAM Downloads Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:07:43 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3155.0 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3155.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 3744 Status: RO X-Lines: 99 Great, fine... I would love to buy up all the software titles that my newly acquired SAM could revel in, trouble is that with the "Crap" Response that i have had concerning getting hold of a replacement internal master drive, i see little point!! Unlike you (so you say) I am not trying to whip up some trouble, just trying to make sense of having a SAM other than it being a collectors item! Respect Jonathan -----Original Message----- From: Johnna Teare To: persona@clara.co.uk Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 19 August 1999 21:25 Subject: Re: SAM Downloads On 16 Aug 99, at 16:25, David Ledbury wrote: > > On 15 Aug 99, at 22:24, Martin Wilson wrote: > > > > > > The last time this one was mentioned someone went on to say that > > > > they shouldn't be uploaded because of various copyright reasons. > > > >=20 > > >=20 > > > > I think before u even think of doing this - you should contact Persona: > their telephone number is on my website www.persona.clara.net The reasons why we've put this debate into the public forum is to get feedback and debate the issue publically. Certainly the arguments _for_ putting some downloads up are clear. I'm waiting for someone to enter into the public forum and explain the reasons _against_. Of course I'm not out to put everybody in the SAM world out of a job, and I don't want to damage any potential trade that might exist, but most of teh games and utilities that I would be interested in putting on an ftp were written ten years ago - thing like MultiPack, Mind Games, Defenders etc. Utils like Etracker - freeware anyway now, perhaps version 1 of the MIDI Sequencer, Football Director II, Famous Five, Issues 1-50 of FRED, pretty much every other disk magazine. Most of the people on this list are likely to already have this stuff anyway - the only people who'd be getting freebies would be those who were new to the SAM Emulator scene - people who are unlikely to buy any of this software from a company whilst just dabbling with the SAM but who would possibly putmoney into the SAM if they got interested in it. Companies have been flogging some of this software for ten years now - imagine if Ocean were selling Hunchback or Mr Wimpy for full price whilst they were releasing Chase HQ on the Speccy - it would have been ridiculous. There's nothing stopping people from putting the files up there now - stick them on an ftp in another country, Russia for example, and you'd have a nightmare trying to bring a copyright suit against them. However, the whole thing is much better done in cooperation with the SAM world rather than against it. A better idea would be to knock up a CDR with everything the SAM has had written for it on it plus an emulator. You could then flog this and redirect some money back into the companies who participated. The last tim this kind of idea was mooted around, various 'industry heavies' if indeed we have a SAM industry scrambled around desperately trying to put a stop to it all to preserve their crumbling monopolies. Sorry folks, but its open season now. Either come up with some attractive ways of remarketing games that most SAM owners already have, or expect the worst. This is a chance to do somethig a bit different and take the SAM into the new millenium with a chance of survival - even if it is only in emulated form. Go on - send me the death threats that usually accompany anybody who tries to undermine the great Fred / Format empire. [god i love stirring it up!] > > > -- > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 21 01:17:55 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA21183 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:17:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA17145 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:17:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49550-26591>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:17:07 +0200 Received: from server2.screaming.net ([IPv6:::ffff:212.49.224.3]:16507 "EHLO server2.screaming.net" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49548-26591>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:16:55 +0200 Received: from ukonline.co.uk (dyn4-ras5.screaming.net [212.49.228.4]) by server2.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id XAA03148 for ; Fri, 20 Aug 1999 23:29:14 GMT Message-ID: <37BDE255.3ED16A0D@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:18:45 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM Downloads References: <000601beeb60$d0989180$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 611 Jonathan Bristow wrote: > > Great, fine... I would love to buy up all the software titles that my newly > acquired SAM could revel in, trouble is that with the "Crap" Response that i > have had concerning getting hold of a replacement internal master drive, i > see little point!! > Unlike you (so you say) I am not trying to whip up some trouble, just trying > to make sense of having a SAM other than it being a collectors item! > > Respect > Jonathan > Crap response from who? My trusty Sam has twin internals plus an external drive interface if either of my main drives go down. No hard drive though. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 21 01:29:19 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA21616 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:29:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA19784 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:29:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49551-26591>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:26:16 +0200 Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.83]:12991 "EHLO neodymium.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49555-26591>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:26:02 +0200 Received: from [62.172.60.108] (helo=store.house) by neodymium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11Hy2n-0002LW-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:25:59 +0100 Received: from toy.house [192.168.116.10] by store.house with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11Hy34-0004Fv-00; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:26:14 +0100 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000601beeb60$d0989180$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:25:07 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: SAM Downloads X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 614 At 12:10 am +0100 21/8/99, Jonathan Bristow wrote: >Great, fine... I would love to buy up all the software titles that my newly >acquired SAM could revel in, trouble is that with the "Crap" Response that i >have had concerning getting hold of a replacement internal master drive, i >see little point!! Just because noone knows the answer, doesn't mean you have to be rude... Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 21 01:29:34 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA21614 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:29:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA19781 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:29:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49550-26591>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:24:56 +0200 Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.83]:47038 "EHLO neodymium.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49548-26591>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:24:35 +0200 Received: from [62.172.60.108] (helo=store.house) by neodymium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11Hy1I-0001A7-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:24:29 +0100 Received: from toy.house [192.168.116.10] by store.house with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11Hy1L-0004FV-00; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:24:27 +0100 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 00:23:20 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: RE: SAM Downloads X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 723 At 5:59 pm +0100 20/8/99, Johnna Teare wrote: >>From what I remember, The Bulgulators and Dyzonium were >released as shareware anyway, when Lemmings went overdue. >Certainly all those who had paid for Lemmings but had not yet >received it got a disk with lemmings demo on and those two games Really?? I certainly didn't get that, and I'm fairly sure I remember paying in advance for Lemmings. Maybe my memory's playing tricks on me though, and I did already have those two games... Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 21 02:22:18 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id CAA24641 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:22:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id CAA28958 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:22:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49555-26591>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:20:48 +0200 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.214]:22118 "EHLO mail10.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49548-26591>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:20:31 +0200 Received: from modem-87.platinum.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.38.215] helo=johnna-teare) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HytO-0002Kt-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:20:22 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:21:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Downloads In-reply-to: References: <000601beeb60$d0989180$0aa2edc1@pre-installedco> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 995 On 21 Aug 99, at 0:25, Andrew Collier wrote: > At 12:10 am +0100 21/8/99, Jonathan Bristow wrote: > >Great, fine... I would love to buy up all the software titles that my > >newly acquired SAM could revel in, trouble is that with the "Crap" > >Response that i have had concerning getting hold of a replacement > >internal master drive, i see little point!! > > Just because noone knows the answer, doesn't mean you have to be rude... > > Andrew Aside from pointing you in the direction of fomat@aol.com I wouldn't know how else to help. And even Bob seems to have disappeared for the time being... > > -- > -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other > -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a > -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file > -- > > > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 21 02:22:18 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id CAA24643 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:22:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id CAA28961 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:22:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49578-26591>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:21:00 +0200 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.214]:5223 "EHLO mail10.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49548-26591> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:20:50 +0200 Received: from modem-87.platinum.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.38.215] helo=johnna-teare) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Hytl-0002Kt-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:20:45 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:21:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Subject: Re: SAM Stuff for sale In-reply-to: <37BDA757.11AD46E0@btinternet.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Length: 779 On 20 Aug 99, at 20:07, Thomas Harte wrote: > > Famous Five, Witchin Hour, Lemmings, Ore Warz 2 (NEVER > > RELEASED!), Labyrinth, Bombs Away, Invaders, Muncher, PoP, > > Quizball, Defenders, bulgulators, dyzonium (which are shareware > > anyway iirc), batz n ballz, manic miner, eftpotrm, klax, > > Anybody know which of these I could use with SIM Coupé? Also, sorry to > remove > from the mystique, but Ore Warz 2 is on nvg . . . Oh well. I don't think I've ever played it anyway. Can't remember how I came to having it. One of those things that just appears in your diskbox when your doing a magazine that reviews stuff. Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 21 02:22:18 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id CAA24645 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:22:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id CAA28968 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:22:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49579-26591>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:21:38 +0200 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.214]:3944 "EHLO mail10.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49585-26591>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:21:14 +0200 Received: from modem-87.platinum.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.38.215] helo=johnna-teare) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Hyu9-0002Kt-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:21:09 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:21:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM Stuff for sale In-reply-to: <002f01bdcc67$3d7f69a0$5b5808c3@persona> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 359 On 20 Aug 98, at 19:20, David L wrote: > I could do with at least one copy of all those titles. > > What's a fair - and not forgetting I'm no millionare - price for them all > (software wise!)? You tell me... Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 21 02:22:19 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id CAA24648 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:22:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id CAA28971 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:22:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49592-26591>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:21:48 +0200 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.214]:6760 "EHLO mail10.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49585-26591>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 02:21:41 +0200 Received: from modem-87.platinum.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.38.215] helo=johnna-teare) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11HyuW-0002Kt-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:21:32 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 01:21:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: RE: SAM Downloads In-reply-to: References: X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 41 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 1292 On 21 Aug 99, at 0:23, Andrew Collier wrote: > At 5:59 pm +0100 20/8/99, Johnna Teare wrote: > > >>From what I remember, The Bulgulators and Dyzonium were > >released as shareware anyway, when Lemmings went overdue. > >Certainly all those who had paid for Lemmings but had not yet > >received it got a disk with lemmings demo on and those two games > > Really?? > > I certainly didn't get that, and I'm fairly sure I remember paying in > advance for Lemmings. Maybe my memory's playing tricks on me though, and I > did already have those two games... > > Andrew Yep - just checked it. I got it through the post just before Christmas - it had a demo of Lemmings (the one with the tree on...screenshots were in YS) and both games and a text file apologising for the delay but giving both games away. The irony was, FRED kept selling the games at full price for about six months afterwards! > > -- > -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other > -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a > -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file > -- > > > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 21 18:01:39 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA16815 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:01:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA00641 for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:01:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49278-26591>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:00:28 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:24080 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49299-26591>; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 18:00:17 +0200 Received: from man-ppp-b61.networksplus.net ([199.240.135.61]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sat, 21 Aug 1999 11:01:51 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 21 Aug 1999 10:55:27 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAM DEVELOPER FORUM In-reply-to: <001401bee75c$3ff3c3a0$020a0a64@trout> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990821160018Z49299-26591+547@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 1940 ed postings. This also seems to the feeling of other list > subscribers > from what they've said to me so I have taken it apon myself to create > another mailing > list: > > The Sam Developer Forum Colin, I have nothing but respect for the work you've done on the SAM, I think that the Quazar is a great piece of hardware, (And yes, I know I never bought one, but so many other things in my life conspired to cost money, now that I'm in the USA, there's not much point... :( ). I think that you've developed a lot of good software, I like Stratosphere. I think that the dedication you show by releasing Soundbyte regularly is second to none. I also think that this other mailing list is a REALLY ill-conceived idea. I know there's a lot of off-topic conversation here, but really, as Ian points out - 8 posts a day is a problem? YOU can start an on-topic discussion on THIS list. People won't ignore it.  And no emulation? At the moment, I can't afford to get my SAM shipped across the Atlantic and get the requesit hardware to actually use the thing. I mean, do you really expect me to do that? So here I am, someone who received his SAM *before* Christams 1989, and has kept up the faith ever since, and I'm being excluded from your list, as the only SAM I can access here is a virtual one? We *don't* have the posts to support two lists, and I won't be joining the new one. I just hope it doesn't kill this one. We've developed a community over the last ten years, and thanks to this we all have a lot of friends whom we would not have otherwise. And shocking as it may seem, the community we've formed sometimes goes beyond the SAM and we talk off-topic. Big problem, eh? Such a high volume. Not. I think the best thing to do here is to start and contribute to the relevant threads, and for the rest of it - enjoy the ride! -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 22 04:25:33 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id EAA21462 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:25:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id EAA17651 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:25:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49194-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:24:20 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:55015 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49171-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 04:24:08 +0200 Received: from [212.140.72.199] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11INIj-0005OI-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:24:05 +0100 Message-ID: <000101beec88$8b0f5da0$c7488cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: SAM COUPE PRINTER. Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 03:23:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 73 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 2209 Hello Sam User Group. ( Please mister Im tryintg to br an honest Sam User. ) Hi. ON SUBJECT.. But, Im not sure I can keep it up... OHHHHHHH!!!!!! Has anyone fitted their printer interface inside Sam. ( hard wired ) Alternatively, has anyone made up a cable to extend the interface beyond the back of the Sam. I am currently instaling Sam on a computer desk with a pull out keyboard shelf (draw ) and there is no room for a sticky out thing. Any observations on this one would be appreciated. PLEASE Why did'nt MGT put the bl***y thing inside instead of a whacking great lump out the back. I recon things like this put other maybe Sam users off. Also .. Please Mr Skillman, can the Simcoupe have a printer port. Simcoupe works fine for me, although the disk ( A Drive ) option could be worked on. I'm still having trouble with the SimCoupe slowing down when I use the graphical user interface. Is it just my machine or has anybody else got this problem. A THOUGHT.. I would have to ask this question twice if another group was setup. ( think again and don't take it all so seriously ). Life's too short for non preambles. Come on now people. I might be new here, but I've been with Sam since it made an appearance. Give me a break. Answer me..... Bob Wilkinson. After a couple of whiskys or so on a very early Sunday morning. (Some sod woke me up having a to-do with his ex-missus ) Cheers.Bob PS. Just cos my name's Bob, don't mean you should ignore me.. ( only joking really ). PPS. I,ve ( me and Mick Sleight ) obvioulsly missed a lot of what has gone on in the Sam scene, if someone would like to bring us up to date, we would be most grateful. Do it direct and stay anonymous. ( did I spell that right ) (anoneemouse ).. a reply will come in the same way.. I shouldn't send this realy,but sod it I will..... By the way, Does anyone want to buy the bits I put up here the uver day. 1 meg Mem+Sambus £40.00 I don't give a toss. But if you want it , its here. Bob Wilkinson. Feeling pretty good at the moment. Happy anyway, and I don't care a sod. PPPS, Are we allowed to tell jokes on here. Iv'e got sum goodjuns. Regards to all.. Bob W. Notice the dubbleuu. !!! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 22 12:31:12 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA18038 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:31:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA01524 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:31:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49411-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:30:37 +0200 Received: from server2.screaming.net ([IPv6:::ffff:212.49.224.3]:23568 "EHLO server2.screaming.net" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49402-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:30:24 +0200 Received: from ukonline.co.uk ([212.49.239.217]) by server2.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id KAA23775 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 10:43:05 GMT Message-ID: <37BFD1B3.AC5ADA95@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:32:19 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM COUPE PRINTER. References: <000101beec88$8b0f5da0$c7488cd4@default> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 612 > Why did'nt MGT put the bl***y thing inside instead of a whacking great lump > out the back. > I recon things like this put other maybe Sam users off. > Yeah I agree totally. I've always said this. Personally I think not having a standard printer interface of any kind parallel or serial made the Coupe a rather eccentric design. I mean since the Spectrum 128 there has been serial and from the plus 3 onwards there was parallel but the Coupe made it an option yet fitted other less important connections. The Coupe is probably the last home computer not to have serial/parallel until the imac came along. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 22 13:14:34 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA20165 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:14:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA05957 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:14:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49416-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:12:47 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:32260 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49402-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:12:32 +0200 Received: from [195.8.87.218] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11IVY5-000Etq-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:12:30 +0100 Message-ID: <001301bdcdb5$439a4400$da5708c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: <000101beec88$8b0f5da0$c7488cd4@default> Subject: Re: SAM COUPE PRINTER. Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:11:42 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 92 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 2813 The mutant SAM - the Elite did have an Printer interface built in. Malcolm's machcine had his Mouse i/f built into thecase - and I know a few others who either had this or the Printer i/f built in. The planned SAM Pro - kicked around a couple of months before SAM Co went down by Adrian Parker & Alan Miles would have had this, the Kaliedescope, and a few other neat ideas built in.... but thats another story! ----- Original Message ----- From: Robert Wilkinson To: Sam Usergroup Sent: Sunday, August 22, 1999 11:23 AM Subject: SAM COUPE PRINTER. Hello Sam User Group. ( Please mister Im tryintg to br an honest Sam User. ) Hi. ON SUBJECT.. But, Im not sure I can keep it up... OHHHHHHH!!!!!! Has anyone fitted their printer interface inside Sam. ( hard wired ) Alternatively, has anyone made up a cable to extend the interface beyond the back of the Sam. I am currently instaling Sam on a computer desk with a pull out keyboard shelf (draw ) and there is no room for a sticky out thing. Any observations on this one would be appreciated. PLEASE Why did'nt MGT put the bl***y thing inside instead of a whacking great lump out the back. I recon things like this put other maybe Sam users off. Also .. Please Mr Skillman, can the Simcoupe have a printer port. Simcoupe works fine for me, although the disk ( A Drive ) option could be worked on. I'm still having trouble with the SimCoupe slowing down when I use the graphical user interface. Is it just my machine or has anybody else got this problem. A THOUGHT.. I would have to ask this question twice if another group was setup. ( think again and don't take it all so seriously ). Life's too short for non preambles. Come on now people. I might be new here, but I've been with Sam since it made an appearance. Give me a break. Answer me..... Bob Wilkinson. After a couple of whiskys or so on a very early Sunday morning. (Some sod woke me up having a to-do with his ex-missus ) Cheers.Bob PS. Just cos my name's Bob, don't mean you should ignore me.. ( only joking really ). PPS. I,ve ( me and Mick Sleight ) obvioulsly missed a lot of what has gone on in the Sam scene, if someone would like to bring us up to date, we would be most grateful. Do it direct and stay anonymous. ( did I spell that right ) (anoneemouse ).. a reply will come in the same way.. I shouldn't send this realy,but sod it I will..... By the way, Does anyone want to buy the bits I put up here the uver day. 1 meg Mem+Sambus £40.00 I don't give a toss. But if you want it , its here. Bob Wilkinson. Feeling pretty good at the moment. Happy anyway, and I don't care a sod. PPPS, Are we allowed to tell jokes on here. Iv'e got sum goodjuns. Regards to all.. Bob W. Notice the dubbleuu. !!! From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 22 13:32:58 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA21318 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:32:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA07732 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:32:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49430-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:22:16 +0200 Received: from server2.screaming.net ([IPv6:::ffff:212.49.224.3]:13840 "EHLO server2.screaming.net" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49434-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:22:05 +0200 Received: from ukonline.co.uk ([212.49.239.217]) by server2.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id LAA00401 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 11:34:51 GMT Message-ID: <37BFDDD3.C5C2C0C9@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:24:03 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM COUPE PRINTER. References: <000101beec88$8b0f5da0$c7488cd4@default> <001301bdcdb5$439a4400$da5708c3@persona> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 661 David L wrote: > > The mutant SAM - the Elite did have an Printer interface built in. > > Malcolm's machcine had his Mouse i/f built into thecase - and I know a few > others who either had this or the Printer i/f built in. > > The planned SAM Pro - kicked around a couple of months before SAM Co went > down by Adrian Parker & Alan Miles would have had this, the Kaliedescope, > and a few other neat ideas built in.... but thats another story! > I never say a Elite in the flesh. What did it look like? Was the printer interface nicely done? Was it still bbc type or did they just screw on a pc type connector? Were any other ports removed to make room? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 22 13:46:25 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA22026 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:46:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA08851 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:46:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49416-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:44:18 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:54538 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49402-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:44:05 +0200 Received: from [195.8.87.218] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11IW2d-000FPB-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 12:44:04 +0100 Message-ID: <00a701bdcdb9$ac83bb00$da5708c3@persona> From: "David L" To: References: <000101beec88$8b0f5da0$c7488cd4@default> <001301bdcdb5$439a4400$da5708c3@persona> <37BFDDD3.C5C2C0C9@ukonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: SAM COUPE PRINTER. Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 11:43:16 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1196 It was a screw up! Stick the port externally on the rear slope - just above the vents The disk drive was re-wired to be on the right hand side - and the printer i/f board was wired to the left hand space .... how did Adrian Parker describe it to me? Looks like an issue 1 Speccy inside ,.... with cables all over the place. ----- Original Message ----- From: Martin Wilson To: Sent: Sunday, August 22, 1999 12:24 PM Subject: Re: SAM COUPE PRINTER. > > > David L wrote: > > > > The mutant SAM - the Elite did have an Printer interface built in. > > > > Malcolm's machcine had his Mouse i/f built into thecase - and I know a few > > others who either had this or the Printer i/f built in. > > > > The planned SAM Pro - kicked around a couple of months before SAM Co went > > down by Adrian Parker & Alan Miles would have had this, the Kaliedescope, > > and a few other neat ideas built in.... but thats another story! > > > > I never say a Elite in the flesh. What did it look like? Was the printer > interface nicely done? Was it still bbc type or did they just screw on a > pc type connector? Were any other ports removed to make room? > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 22 14:00:02 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA22476 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 14:00:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA10100 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 14:00:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49434-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:59:10 +0200 Received: from pc-212-51-220-7.p.lodz.pl ([IPv6:::ffff:212.51.220.7]:4356 "EHLO sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49429-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:58:58 +0200 Received: from sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl (pa149.sieradz.ppp.tpnet.pl [212.160.30.149]) by sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id OAA00337 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 14:15:09 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from yarek@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl) From: Jarek Adamski To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 13:56:09 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: My operating systems for SAM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 7 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 62 Hello! Did anybody test my systems on SimCoupe? -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 22 16:37:02 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id QAA01468 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:37:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id QAA28252 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:37:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49424-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:35:49 +0200 Received: from server2.screaming.net ([IPv6:::ffff:212.49.224.3]:40018 "EHLO server2.screaming.net" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49418-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:35:40 +0200 Received: from ukonline.co.uk (dyn217-ras4.screaming.net [212.49.227.217]) by server2.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id OAA32225 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 14:48:30 GMT Message-ID: <37C00B02.FBEF761A@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 15:36:50 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM COUPE PRINTER. References: <000101beec88$8b0f5da0$c7488cd4@default> <001301bdcdb5$439a4400$da5708c3@persona> <37BFDDD3.C5C2C0C9@ukonline.co.uk> <00a701bdcdb9$ac83bb00$da5708c3@persona> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 439 David L wrote: > > It was a screw up! > > Stick the port externally on the rear slope - just above the vents > > The disk drive was re-wired to be on the right hand side - and the printer > i/f board was wired to the left hand space .... how did Adrian Parker > describe it to me? Looks like an issue 1 Speccy inside ,.... with cables all > over the place. Sounds like how I imagined it :-( Was it a pc type printer connector then? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 22 20:21:41 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA13611 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:21:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA00137 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:21:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49521-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:20:15 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:1412 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49504-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:20:07 +0200 Received: from [212.140.65.130] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11IcDc-0000Cv-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:19:49 +0100 Message-ID: <000f01beed0e$0e5db5a0$82418cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Sam Printer Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:20:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 369 Come on now I'm trying to be sirrious. Has anybody hard wired their printer interface or is there a cable available to allow the interface to stand some way off ( couple of inches or so ) Will it work ok with a cable. ( I can make my own ) I've never heard of any alternative Sam machines. Why wasn't I told. MGT Blown out again. Bob Wilkinson. ( Sober now ) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 22 20:40:51 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA14603 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:40:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA02913 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:40:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49537-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:39:46 +0200 Received: from server2.screaming.net ([IPv6:::ffff:212.49.224.3]:6480 "EHLO server2.screaming.net" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49536-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:39:38 +0200 Received: from ukonline.co.uk ([212.49.234.241]) by server2.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id SAA11593 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 18:52:25 GMT Message-ID: <37C04463.1ADA8D44@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:41:39 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam Printer References: <000f01beed0e$0e5db5a0$82418cd4@default> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 653 Robert Wilkinson wrote: > > Come on now I'm trying to be sirrious. > > Has anybody hard wired their printer interface or is there a cable available > to allow the interface to stand some way off ( couple of inches or so ) > Will it work ok with a cable. ( I can make my own ) > > I've never heard of any alternative Sam machines. Why wasn't I told. > >From the sound of it, its just a bodged coupe/printer interface with a new sticker on the case. Its not the first time thats been done. I've got an Electron 64 which is much the same thing except twice the memory and a sticker on top. > MGT Blown out again. > > Bob Wilkinson. ( Sober now ) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 22 20:51:16 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA15214 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:51:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA04573 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:51:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49549-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:49:45 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:33299 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49538-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:49:40 +0200 Received: from [195.8.82.61] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11IcgP-000NFS-00; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:49:34 +0100 Message-ID: <010b01bdcdf5$1dfddd20$3d5208c3@persona> From: "David L" To: "Quazar: Sam Developer Forum" , Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 18:48:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0108_01BDCDFD.7EDEEA00" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 55 Content-Length: 1571 ------=_NextPart_000_0108_01BDCDFD.7EDEEA00 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 290 Shit load of SAM stuff for sale. Computer, hard drive, Quazar sound card, loads of games inc = Stratosphere, sampler, memory, mouse, monitor, etc. I want an offer for the lot. Email to the above address only for 1 week - after that I'm off line for = good. Anything reasonable taken. ------=_NextPart_000_0108_01BDCDFD.7EDEEA00 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 910
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------=_NextPart_000_0108_01BDCDFD.7EDEEA00-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 22 21:04:27 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA15930 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:04:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA06415 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:04:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49567-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:59:45 +0200 Received: from server2.screaming.net ([IPv6:::ffff:212.49.224.3]:3865 "EHLO server2.screaming.net" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49565-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:59:35 +0200 Received: from ukonline.co.uk ([212.49.234.241]) by server2.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id TAA15127 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 19:12:26 GMT Message-ID: <37C0490A.17DB326C@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:01:30 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: References: <010b01bdcdf5$1dfddd20$3d5208c3@persona> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 456 > David L wrote: > > Shit load of SAM stuff for sale. > > Computer, hard drive, Quazar sound card, loads of games inc > Stratosphere, sampler, memory, mouse, monitor, etc. > > I want an offer for the lot. > > Email to the above address only for 1 week - after that I'm off line > for good. > Offline for good?! Jesus are you in the last stages of a terminal disease or something? Is the internet really that bad? > Anything reasonable taken. > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 22 22:04:46 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA19157 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:04:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA14661 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:04:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49593-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:02:30 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:40201 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49592-26591> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:02:14 +0200 Received: from [195.8.76.2] (helo=du-019-0002.claranet.co.uk) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Idod-000OsZ-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 21:02:09 +0100 From: davgw@clara.co.uk (Dave Whitmore) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:02:33 GMT Message-ID: <37c15682.10223933@relay.clara.net> References: <010b01bdcdf5$1dfddd20$3d5208c3@persona> <37C0490A.17DB326C@ukonline.co.uk> In-Reply-To: <37C0490A.17DB326C@ukonline.co.uk> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 523 On Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:01:30 +0100 Sun, 22 Aug 99 20:36:48 BST, Martin Wilson wrote: >> Email to the above address only for 1 week - after that I'm off line >> for good. >> > >Offline for good?! Jesus are you in the last stages of a terminal >disease or something? Is the internet really that bad? I don't think anyone would be that bothered about selling things and money if that were the case. :-) He'll probably say it's none of our business, but it'd be interesting to know why. Dave From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 22 22:16:46 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA19865 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:16:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA17278 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:16:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49596-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:15:49 +0200 Received: from www0.funmail.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:193.117.244.178]:3595 "HELO www0.funmail.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49615-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:15:24 +0200 Received: (qmail 25489 invoked from network); 22 Aug 1999 20:15:51 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO www0) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 22 Aug 1999 20:15:51 -0000 Message-ID: <136432006.935352951592.JavaMail.root@localhost> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 20:15:51 +0000 (GMT) From: surfin_usm@absobloodylutely.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam Printer Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Funmail-UID: 183619 X-Senders-IP: unknown X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 231 >From : Robert Wilkinson >I've never heard of any alternative Sam machines. Why wasn't I told. cos everybody thinks you're silly. adie-usm -- Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmale.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 22 23:57:08 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA25147 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:57:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA02179 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:57:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49623-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:42:09 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:27154 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49626-26591>; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:41:57 +0200 Received: from [195.8.88.232] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11IfNC-0000os-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 22:41:55 +0100 Message-ID: <001401bdce0d$2f3d86e0$e85808c3@persona> From: "David L" To: Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 21:41:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0011_01BDCE15.8FFE88A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 32 Content-Length: 1017 ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BDCE15.8FFE88A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 159 Oh - and if anyone thinking of posting an answer - I've desubbed from = the list under my primary email address... and have trashed my two alias = on the list ------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BDCE15.8FFE88A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 487
Oh - and if anyone thinking of posting = an answer -=20 I've desubbed from the list under my primary email address... and have = trashed=20 my two alias on the list
------=_NextPart_000_0011_01BDCE15.8FFE88A0-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 23 00:46:07 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA01131 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:46:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA08304 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:46:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49619-26591>; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:44:43 +0200 Received: from tantalum.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.80]:33955 "EHLO tantalum.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49346-26591>; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:44:21 +0200 Received: from host5-171-236-51.btinternet.com ([195.171.236.51] helo=btinternet.com) by tantalum.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11IgLU-00003d-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:44:12 +0100 Message-ID: <37C07D1D.DCD4FE82@btinternet.com> Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 23:43:41 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM Mailing List Subject: Persona dead? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 330 Hi, I noticed David L selling a SAM on comp.sys.sinclair, but was under the impression he was currently in charge of Persona. So I went to http://www.persona.clara.net/ to see if it was being closed or anything only to get everybodys favourite error : error 404. So which important bit of information am I missing? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 23 00:51:36 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA01458 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:51:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA09006 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:51:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49623-26591>; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:50:53 +0200 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.120.22]:48268 "EHLO hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49346-26591>; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:50:41 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip201.seattle15.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.98.201]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA07565 for ; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 15:50:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001b01beecf0$c48354c0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <37C07D1D.DCD4FE82@btinternet.com> Subject: Re: Persona dead? Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 15:50:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 474 From: Thomas Harte > I noticed David L selling a SAM on comp.sys.sinclair, but was under the > impression he was currently in charge of Persona. So I went to > http://www.persona.clara.net/ to see if it was being closed or anything only > to get everybodys favourite error : error 404. > > So which important bit of information am I missing? David asked Gordon to take the site down a while back... I don't think Persona's dead yet though. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 23 01:31:31 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA03712 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:31:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA13462 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:31:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49346-26591>; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:30:34 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:38924 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49619-26591>; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:30:20 +0200 Received: from [195.8.81.197] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Ih45-0002kn-00; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 00:30:18 +0100 Message-ID: <005501bdce1c$51f72740$c55108c3@persona> From: "David L" To: "Quazar: Sam Developer Forum" , Date: Sat, 22 Aug 1998 23:29:25 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_NextPart_000_0052_01BDCE24.B2EA83A0" X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 50 Content-Length: 1419 ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01BDCE24.B2EA83A0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 246 Just to clarify on this sam stuff for sale -sorry no splits - unless i = get a decent price. Buyer must pay carrage - prticularly for the monitor. Old email address now deleted - as was the site run on others behalf. = Use this only. Thanks ------=_NextPart_000_0052_01BDCE24.B2EA83A0 Content-Type: text/html; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Sun-Content-Length: 802
Just to clarify on this sam stuff for = sale -sorry=20 no splits - unless i get a decent price.
 
Buyer must pay carrage - prticularly = for the=20 monitor.
 
Old email address now deleted - as was = the site run=20 on others behalf. Use this only.
 
Thanks
 
 
------=_NextPart_000_0052_01BDCE24.B2EA83A0-- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 23 01:50:49 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA04760 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:50:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA15909 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:50:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49627-26591>; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:37:35 +0200 Received: from web1103.mail.yahoo.com ([IPv6:::ffff:128.11.23.123]:34835 "HELO web601.yahoomail.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49629-26591>; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 01:37:16 +0200 Message-ID: <19990822233822.19653.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [212.54.221.3] by web1103.mail.yahoo.com; Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:38:22 PDT Date: Sun, 22 Aug 1999 16:38:22 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?george=20boyle?= Subject: Re: OT: Celery, Athlon and other vegetables (was: RE: My take on the SAM Scene) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 572 David What the hell are you one about? It's George here !!!!!! Out in Failraki Rhodes, Greece, working for the summer!!! Very hot! How's Michael? How are you R.S.V.P George --- David Ledbury wrote: > > The BP6 board and the two chips cost me =A3205 inc > VAT, which is pretty > > incredible bang for buck - who needs to save up? > ;-) How much are Athlo= > > ns? > > > only 195 + the dreaded v word.... ! > === George __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 23 08:48:23 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id IAA29147 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:48:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id IAA23832 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:48:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49229-20417>; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:46:36 +0200 Received: from ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.227.50.25]:2962 "HELO ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49224-20417>; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 08:46:23 +0200 Received: from yavanna.mcs.surrey.ac.uk by ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1-ident) id m11Ins5-0001fAC; Mon, 23 Aug 99 07:46 BST Received: from eep2ag by yavanna.mcs.surrey.ac.uk with local (Exim 0.57 #1) id 11Ins4-0000d5-00; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 07:46:20 +0100 Subject: Re: Sam Printer To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 07:46:20 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <000f01beed0e$0e5db5a0$82418cd4@default> from "Robert Wilkinson" at Aug 22, 99 07:20:15 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 838 > Has anybody hard wired their printer interface or is there a cable available > to allow the interface to stand some way off ( couple of inches or so ) > Will it work ok with a cable. ( I can make my own ) > A *short* extender cable shouldn't be too problematic, but the euroconnectors aren't exactly easy to connect to. I'd be tempted to move the whole thing inside the SAM case - there aren't actually that many wires to add. The printer interface only uses d0, d1, d2, d3, d4, d5, d6, d7, /RD, /WR, +5v, 0v (these can all be taken off of a spare disc drive slot) and PRINTL which you will have to pick off the main pcb somewhere. Most MGT devices drive a line called "BUSEN" or something when they are accessed, but you don't need to worry about wiring this through (it was for a buffered SAMBus which never materialised...) Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 23 19:24:59 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id TAA06068 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:24:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id TAA09328 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:24:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49452-20417>; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:22:06 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:61447 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49455-20417>; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 19:21:53 +0200 Received: from [195.8.90.183] (helo=default) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Ixn4-000OkO-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:21:51 +0100 Message-ID: <37C182B9.3CAD@clara.net> Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:19:53 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Persona dead? References: <37C07D1D.DCD4FE82@btinternet.com> <001b01beecf0$c48354c0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 39 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1792 Simon Cooke wrote: > > From: Thomas Harte > > I noticed David L selling a SAM on comp.sys.sinclair, but was under the > > impression he was currently in charge of Persona. So I went to > > http://www.persona.clara.net/ to see if it was being closed or anything > only > > to get everybodys favourite error : error 404. > > > > So which important bit of information am I missing? > > David asked Gordon to take the site down a while back... I don't think > Persona's dead yet though. > This is true, but after someone posted a message suggesting that the site was back up and running, I popped over and found it _was_ back, slightly changed. Now, though, I get "The server does not have a DNS entry"! I'm a bit in the dark, but if David hasn't had any response from the Mackenzies, it could be that Persona's finished so far as _he's_ concerned. I know how busy David is at the moment, and if the family who were meant to be running Persona aren't, he certainly can't on his own. He's never been _in charge_ of Persona, merely handling _some_ of the orders. If the orders aren't being fulfilled, I get the impression he can't do much about it. If the Mackenzies aren't answering mail (and to a certain extent, we can all understand why they might not want to, right?) things aren't looking too bright. I'm going to stick my neck out and assume that Persona is finished (for the moment?). I hope I'm wrong, 'cos I want to get a couple of Sam games finished and published... (Gosh, what a selfish thought!) Gord. (Mr. Negative) -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 23 21:54:45 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA14257 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:54:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA03733 for ; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:54:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49503-20417>; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:53:07 +0200 Received: from trolly.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.166]:56713 "EHLO trolley.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49477-20417>; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 21:52:52 +0200 Received: from [212.140.66.176] (helo=default) by trolley.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11J08s-0000qe-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:52:33 +0100 Message-ID: <000d01beede4$2b7d2220$b0428cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Sam Printer Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 20:51:58 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1381 -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Gale To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 22 August 1999 23:51 Subject: Re: Sam Printer >> Has anybody hard wired their printer interface or is there a cable available >> to allow the interface to stand some way off ( couple of inches or so ) >> Will it work ok with a cable. ( I can make my own ) >> > >A *short* extender cable shouldn't be too problematic, but the euroconnectors >aren't exactly easy to connect to. I'd be tempted to move the whole thing >inside the SAM case - there aren't actually that many wires to add. The >printer interface only uses d0, d1, d2, d3, d4, d5, d6, d7, /RD, /WR, >+5v, 0v (these can all be taken off of a spare disc drive slot) and >PRINTL which you will have to pick off the main pcb somewhere. Most >MGT devices drive a line called "BUSEN" or something when they are >accessed, but you don't need to worry about wiring this through (it >was for a buffered SAMBus which never materialised...) > >Andy > > > Thanks Andrew. On thinking about it, the signals travel through the Sambus so should be ok through a short extender cable. The euroconnectors can be soldered to a piece of veroboard and the cable taken off on either side of the board. ie piece of board 5 holes deep, remove the middle track and place the connector across it. Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 24 00:43:22 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA23510 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:43:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA00871 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:43:17 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49453-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:34:10 +0200 Received: from pc-212-51-220-7.p.lodz.pl ([IPv6:::ffff:212.51.220.7]:5125 "EHLO sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49436-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:33:51 +0200 Received: from sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl (pa131.sieradz.ppp.tpnet.pl [212.160.30.131]) by sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA01997 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 00:50:26 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from yarek@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl) From: Jarek Adamski To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 23 Aug 1999 18:01:04 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: SAM networks MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 15 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 506 Hi! Is there the network interface mentioned in "The User's Guide" on page 170. "Network, screened microphone cable via external MGT interface to Expansion Port." I think it must be a kind of concentrator. On next page there's NETWORK lead with title "FROM NETWORK PLUG DIN 7", so it doesn't mean SAM-to-SAM connection. In MasterDOS description I found only 'DEVICE n', 'SAVE "n:"' and 'LOAD "n:"'. I tested this, but this is not network channels described in TUG on pages 118, 119 and 153. -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 24 11:49:32 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA02468 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:49:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA23351 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:49:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49454-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:41:25 +0200 Received: from ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.227.50.25]:13217 "HELO ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49351-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:41:07 +0200 Received: from yavanna.mcs.surrey.ac.uk by ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1-ident) id m11JD4i-0001guC; Tue, 24 Aug 99 10:41 BST Received: from eep2ag by yavanna.mcs.surrey.ac.uk with local (Exim 0.57 #1) id 11JD4i-0002qs-00; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:41:04 +0100 Subject: Re: Sam Printer To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 10:41:04 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <000d01beede4$2b7d2220$b0428cd4@default> from "Robert Wilkinson" at Aug 23, 99 08:51:58 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 1006 > On thinking about it, the signals travel through the Sambus so should be ok > through a short extender cable. The euroconnectors can be soldered to a > piece of veroboard and the cable taken off on either side of the board. ie > piece of board 5 holes deep, remove the middle track and place the connector > across it. > Whenever I make a hardware gizmo for my SAM I always use veroboard with the tracks going away perpendicularly to the rows of pins. Then I pull out all the euroconnector pins that I don't need (they come out of the plastic housing quite easily with a good tug with some pliers). That quite often leaves only 1 pin to solder to each track (there would be 2 otherwise and you'd have to break the veroboard in between them).... and those that are left can quite often be bent to reach a spare track (or wired with a short bit of insulated wire). It would save the number of wires you needed, too, if you eliminate some of the signals! Are IDC euroconnectors available, I wonder? Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 24 12:11:53 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA04220 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:11:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA08599 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:11:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49483-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:01:49 +0200 Received: from ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.227.50.25]:11682 "HELO ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49316-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:01:35 +0200 Received: from yavanna.mcs.surrey.ac.uk by ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1-ident) id m11JDOW-0001fAC; Tue, 24 Aug 99 11:01 BST Received: from eep2ag by yavanna.mcs.surrey.ac.uk with local (Exim 0.57 #1) id 11JDOV-0002sS-00; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:01:31 +0100 Subject: keyboard connectors To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:01:31 +0100 (BST) X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.unit.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 43 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 1659 Has anyone any idea where I can buy those connectors into which the keyboard membranes push? Other than spares companies, I've never seen them available from RS, Farnell, or anyone like that. The reason I ask is: I'm determined to finish off my PC keyboard interface at last (yes, I know I've mentioned is loads of times) and I'm try to work out the best way to connect it. Ideally I want to make it internal so it doesn't eat up an expansion slot. Here are the options - what do people think? 1) make it external - simple to install, but a little more expensive, ugly, and uses an expansion slot (what if I included a printer port on-board to save having to buy a SAMBus?) 2) internal, connecting to the keyboard connectors. users solder some wires to the keyboard connector pins on the bottom of the SAM's PCB and to 4 or five other points on the SAM pcb. The circuitry is sheaper than for 1) above. 3) same as 2) but instead of soldering I make some thin pcbs which plug into the keyboard connectors on the main board and have a through connector for the original keyboard membrane. Still need to solder 4 or 5 wires, though, and it all depends on the availability of keyboard connectors. Cheaper than 1). 4) Open the SAM, unplug the ROM and put it into this new board, then plub the new board into the ROM socket. Will also need 3 or 4 solder points onto SAM pcb. Probably the most expensive option. I always assume that most SAM owners are fairly handy with soldering irons, but I don't know how true this is. Which option would you feel most comfortable with? 2) is definitely the cheapest, and is what I already have running. Thanks, Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 24 12:11:53 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA04218 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:11:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA08594 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:11:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49512-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:59:49 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:55812 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49495-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:59:34 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:06:54 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CDA@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SAM networks Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:06:53 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 32 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 945 I had always had the impression that the network port was, in fact, the MIDI port. You connect the SAMs up as a daisy chain and tell the SAM about it. I don't know of SamDos actually worked with this or not. Anyone else? Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Jarek Adamski [SMTP:yarek@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl] > Sent: Monday, August 23, 1999 6:01 PM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: SAM networks > > Hi! > > Is there the network interface mentioned in "The User's Guide" > on page 170. "Network, screened microphone cable via external > MGT interface to Expansion Port." I think it must be a kind of > concentrator. On next page there's NETWORK lead with title "FROM > NETWORK PLUG DIN 7", so it doesn't mean SAM-to-SAM connection. > > In MasterDOS description I found only 'DEVICE n', 'SAVE "n:"' > and 'LOAD "n:"'. I tested this, but this is not network > channels described in TUG on pages 118, 119 and 153. > > -- > Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 24 13:05:10 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA07496 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:05:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA13473 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:05:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49534-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:16:09 +0200 Received: from hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.120.22]:48792 "EHLO hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49538-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:16:00 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip50.seattle14.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.97.50]) by hawk.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA16748 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 03:15:57 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000f01beee19$aaee7560$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CDA@mailhost.aculab.com> Subject: Re: SAM networks Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 03:16:00 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 556 From: Justin Skists > I had always had the impression that the network port was, in fact, > the MIDI port. You connect the SAMs up as a daisy chain and tell > the SAM about it. It's kind of similar; except the Network port was current-loop based, and used differential drivers to boost the signal over a longer distance than MIDI was designed to handle. > I don't know of SamDos actually worked with this or not. SAMDOS had some problems with the network; effectively disabling it with its filename parser, I believe. Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 24 13:05:10 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA07500 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:05:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA13481 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:05:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49536-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:21:18 +0200 Received: from ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.227.50.25]:5283 "HELO ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49540-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:20:56 +0200 Received: from yavanna.mcs.surrey.ac.uk by ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1-ident) id m11JDhC-0001fSC; Tue, 24 Aug 99 11:20 BST Received: from eep2ag by yavanna.mcs.surrey.ac.uk with local (Exim 0.57 #1) id 11JDhB-0002vg-00; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:20:49 +0100 Subject: Re: SAM networks To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:20:49 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CDA@mailhost.aculab.com> from "Justin Skists" at Aug 24, 99 11:06:53 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 526 > I had always had the impression that the network port was, in fact, > the MIDI port. You connect the SAMs up as a daisy chain and tell > the SAM about it. > That's the only network that I know about, but there was a page in the user manual that had a picture of all the things you could connect to your sam via the user port, and it was obviously a list of things they hoped to release, such as modems, graphics tablets, lightpens, nuclear power plants, and so on. I wonder if this was something on that wish-list? Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 24 13:05:11 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA07515 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:05:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA13490 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:05:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49393-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:37:09 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:27140 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49316-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:36:47 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA00776 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:36:41 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id LAA14228 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:36:34 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:36:32 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: Re: SAM networks Message-ID: <19990824113632.A14103@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CDA@mailhost.aculab.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CDA@mailhost.aculab.com>; from Justin Skists on Tue, Aug 24, 1999 at 11:06:53AM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 869 On Tue, Aug 24, 1999 at 11:06:53AM +0100, Justin Skists wrote: > I had always had the impression that the network port was, in fact, > the MIDI port. You connect the SAMs up as a daisy chain and tell > the SAM about it. If there is no DOS loaded then the Sam accepts "device n" and will save and load through the MIDI port. I don't think I have tried this with two Sams, but I have used it with a Sam and a +3 by writing a prog on the +3 to imitate what the Sam does. If SamDOS is loaded then device n is no longer a valid device. In order to use it you have to poke a sysvar to pretend there is no DOS. If MasterDOS is loaded then you can do it by putting "n:" at the beginning of the file name. I seem to remember there was some quirk about doing this, but I forget exactly what. Maybe it was that "device n" didn't work but putting "n:" in the name did. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 24 13:05:12 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA07538 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:05:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA13498 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:05:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49583-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:50:59 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:4281 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49572-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:50:35 +0200 Received: from [212.140.64.63] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11JE9m-0000uN-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:50:23 +0100 Message-ID: <001201beee61$99f10320$3f408cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Sam Printer + keyboard interface. Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 11:49:43 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1167 -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Gale To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 24 August 1999 02:55 Subject: Re: Sam Printer > >Whenever I make a hardware gizmo for my SAM I always use veroboard >with the tracks going away perpendicularly to the rows of pins. Then >I pull out all the euroconnector pins that I don't need (they come >out of the plastic housing quite easily with a good tug with some >pliers). That quite often leaves only 1 pin to solder to each track >(there would be 2 otherwise and you'd have to break the veroboard >in between them).... and those that are left can quite often be bent >to reach a spare track (or wired with a short bit of insulated wire). >It would save the number of wires you needed, too, if you eliminate >some of the signals! Are IDC euroconnectors available, I wonder? > >Andy > > I have some connectors that are similar, but instead of 3 rows with the middle row empty, they only have two rows. These are made by Vero and I should think they probably do the type's fitted to the Sam. What is the keyboard project you spoke about... Sounds interesting. Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 24 13:27:07 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA08776 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:27:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA00417 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:26:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49216-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:22:31 +0200 Received: from ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.227.50.25]:33702 "HELO ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49258-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 13:22:13 +0200 Received: from yavanna.mcs.surrey.ac.uk by ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1-ident) id m11JEeZ-0001giC; Tue, 24 Aug 99 12:22 BST Received: from eep2ag by yavanna.mcs.surrey.ac.uk with local (Exim 0.57 #1) id 11JEeY-00034a-00; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:22:10 +0100 Subject: Re: Sam Printer + keyboard interface. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 12:22:09 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <001201beee61$99f10320$3f408cd4@default> from "Robert Wilkinson" at Aug 24, 99 11:49:43 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 576 > What is the keyboard project you spoke about... Sounds interesting. > It's a bit of hardware that lets you connect a PC keyboard to the SAM and it mimics the SAM's keyboard (so it works with software that reads the keyboard hardware directly rather than via the ROM.... which is just about all the games software!) I've had it working for a couple of years now, and I've been meaning to make up a proper pcb for it for a while - it was originally going to be after Christmas when I got my PC, but it's August and still no PC! Hopefully not much longer now, though! Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 24 16:55:48 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id QAA21145 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:55:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id QAA05426 for ; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:55:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49703-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:37:45 +0200 Received: from web1106.mail.yahoo.com ([IPv6:::ffff:128.11.23.126]:44297 "HELO web601.yahoomail.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49705-20417>; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 16:37:29 +0200 Message-ID: <19990824143511.16527.rocketmail@web601.yahoomail.com> Received: from [212.54.221.5] by web1106.mail.yahoo.com; Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:35:11 PDT Date: Tue, 24 Aug 1999 07:35:11 -0700 (PDT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?george=20boyle?= Subject: Re: Persona dead? To: T.Harte@btinternet.com Cc: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 86 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 2453 Sadly Malcolm Mackenzie passed away a few months ago before the February show was too be planned. I was working with David for a bit on Fred/ Blitz, but am having probs contacting David at the mo! I am not working for the Sam scene at the mo, because I'm in Faliraki, Rhodes, Greece. Out here working & having fun untill I get bored of England. George --- Gordon Wallis wrote: > Simon Cooke wrote: > > > > From: Thomas Harte > > > I noticed David L selling a SAM on > comp.sys.sinclair, but was under the > > > impression he was currently in charge of > Persona. So I went to > > > http://www.persona.clara.net/ to see if it was > being closed or anything > > only > > > to get everybodys favourite error : error 404. > > > > > > So which important bit of information am I > missing? > > > > David asked Gordon to take the site down a while > back... I don't think > > Persona's dead yet though. > > > This is true, but after someone posted a message > suggesting that the > site was back up and running, I popped over and > found it _was_ back, > slightly changed. Now, though, I get "The server > does not have a DNS > entry"! > > I'm a bit in the dark, but if David hasn't had any > response from the > Mackenzies, it could be that Persona's finished so > far as _he's_ > concerned. I know how busy David is at the moment, > and if the family who > were meant to be running Persona aren't, he > certainly can't on his own. > He's never been _in charge_ of Persona, merely > handling _some_ of the > orders. If the orders aren't being fulfilled, I get > the impression he > can't do much about it. If the Mackenzies aren't > answering mail (and to > a certain extent, we can all understand why they > might not want to, > right?) things aren't looking too bright. > > I'm going to stick my neck out and assume that > Persona is finished (for > the moment?). I hope I'm wrong, 'cos I want to get a > couple of Sam games > finished and published... (Gosh, what a selfish > thought!) > > Gord. (Mr. Negative) > -- > < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage > ------ > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< > http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' > ----------/ > === George __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Bid and sell for free at http://auctions.yahoo.com From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 25 09:32:17 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id JAA17857 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:32:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id JAA17358 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:32:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49163-20417>; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:30:53 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:23023 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49172-20417>; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:30:27 +0200 Received: from [62.172.20.111] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11JXVm-0005sP-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 08:30:23 +0100 Message-ID: <000001beef0e$d4d71a80$6f14ac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Sam Printer + keyboard interface. Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 07:47:04 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 776 . >It's a bit of hardware that lets you connect a PC keyboard to the >SAM and it mimics the SAM's keyboard (so it works with software >that reads the keyboard hardware directly rather than via the >ROM.... which is just about all the games software!) > >I've had it working for a couple of years now, and I've been meaning >to make up a proper pcb for it for a while - it was originally going >to be after Christmas when I got my PC, but it's August and still >no PC! Hopefully not much longer now, though! > >Andy Ok.. So you connect the Sam to a PC keyboard. What advantage does this give you. I can only see that this would be useful if you needed to put the original Sam circuit board into a bigger case to allow for add-ons. Please enlighten me. Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 25 10:49:13 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA22429 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:49:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA21858 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:49:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49172-20417>; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:39:40 +0200 Received: from ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.227.50.25]:4566 "HELO ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49225-20417>; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 10:39:23 +0200 Received: from yavanna.mcs.surrey.ac.uk by ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1-ident) id m11JYaS-0001giC; Wed, 25 Aug 99 09:39 BST Received: from eep2ag by yavanna.mcs.surrey.ac.uk with local (Exim 0.57 #1) id 11JYaR-0004RO-00; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:39:15 +0100 Subject: Re: Sam Printer + keyboard interface. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 09:39:15 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <000001beef0e$d4d71a80$6f14ac3e@default> from "Robert Wilkinson" at Aug 25, 99 07:47:04 am X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 360 > Ok.. So you connect the Sam to a PC keyboard. > What advantage does this give you. > Nothing in itself... but if your SAM keyboard is broken, or you don't find it very comfortable to type with, then you've got the choice of any PC keyboard you fancy. And, as you say, it increases the chance of you putting a SAM into a desktop case if you so wish. Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 25 16:23:59 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id QAA12907 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:23:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id QAA01149 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:23:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49656-20417>; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:17:12 +0200 Received: from fep4-orange.clear.net.nz ([IPv6:::ffff:203.97.32.4]:42911 "EHLO fep4-orange.clear.net.nz" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49672-20417>; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:17:05 +0200 Received: from clear.net.nz (a001-m001-u70.dune.clear.net.nz [203.167.192.69]) by fep4-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.3) with ESMTP id CAA15936; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:16:43 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <37C494EF.E12D2534@clear.net.nz> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:14:23 +0100 From: Gasson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no, yarek@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl Subject: Re: SAM networks References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CDA@mailhost.aculab.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 47 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1689 Jarek Adamski wrote: > > Hi! > > > > Is there the network interface mentioned in "The User's Guide" > > on page 170. "Network, screened microphone cable via external > > MGT interface to Expansion Port." I think it must be a kind of > > concentrator. On next page there's NETWORK lead with title "FROM > > NETWORK PLUG DIN 7", so it doesn't mean SAM-to-SAM connection. > > > > In MasterDOS description I found only 'DEVICE n', 'SAVE "n:"' > > and 'LOAD "n:"'. I tested this, but this is not network > > channels described in TUG on pages 118, 119 and 153. Justin Skists wrote: > I had always had the impression that the network port was, in fact, > the MIDI port. You connect the SAMs up as a daisy chain and tell > the SAM about it. > > I don't know of SamDos actually worked with this or not. > > Anyone else? > > Justin. Kinda-sorta right. It is the MIDI port, but it's not the MIDI hardware running the thing, AFAIK. Those extra 2 pins on the MIDI port do the networking. So I suppose it would be possible to wire up a little patch box to allow both MIDI and networking to be used at once. Also, I'm not quite sure what you mean by a "daisy chain". The network is not a loop, in case you think so. As for the "Network (...) via external MGT interface", I can only assume it is a misprint. I guess they were not going to build the networking in originally, and then changed their minds. I have actually used a Sam network. Well, 2 Sams, anyway. I even wrote a 2 player centipedes game in BASIC. It crashed a lot. (My excuse is that I was not able to get a proper network cable.) I probably still have a copy somewhere... BTW, does this make me famous? ;-) -- James Gasson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 25 16:49:03 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id QAA14282 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:48:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id QAA20480 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:48:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49721-20417>; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:28:51 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:61193 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49720-20417>; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 16:28:36 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id PAA06126 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:28:27 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id PAA18246 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:28:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 15:28:21 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM networks Message-ID: <19990825152821.G16918@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CDA@mailhost.aculab.com> <37C494EF.E12D2534@clear.net.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <37C494EF.E12D2534@clear.net.nz>; from Gasson on Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 02:14:23AM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 510 On Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 02:14:23AM +0100, Gasson wrote: > Kinda-sorta right. It is the MIDI port, but it's not the MIDI hardware > running the thing, AFAIK. As far as I know it is the MIDI hardware running it, but there may be an extra buffer or something driving those two extra pins. At least, I don't know of any way to control those two pins separately from the MIDI, and the networking bits of the Sam ROM use port 253 in such a way that you can connect a normal MIDI lead and communicate over it. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Aug 25 20:05:21 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA25358 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:05:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA04203 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:05:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49520-20417>; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:03:38 +0200 Received: from trolly.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.166]:5851 "EHLO trolley.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49454-20417>; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 20:03:33 +0200 Received: from [212.140.75.158] (helo=default) by trolley.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11JhOI-0001Y1-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 19:03:18 +0100 Message-ID: <000401beef67$3e8dc160$9e4b8cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Sam Printer + keyboard interface. Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 12:38:57 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 678 Thanks for the update Andy. Should my Sam keyboard pack it in, then I will contact you for the circuit. -----Original Message----- From: Andrew Gale To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 25 August 1999 01:53 Subject: Re: Sam Printer + keyboard interface. >> Ok.. So you connect the Sam to a PC keyboard. >> What advantage does this give you. >> > >Nothing in itself... but if your SAM keyboard is broken, or >you don't find it very comfortable to type with, then you've >got the choice of any PC keyboard you fancy. And, as you say, >it increases the chance of you putting a SAM into a desktop >case if you so wish. > >Andy > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 02:58:15 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id CAA18074 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:58:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id CAA19527 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:58:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49748-20417>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:57:05 +0200 Received: from mail.enterprise.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.72.192.18]:61956 "EHLO mail.enterprise.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49744-20417>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:56:51 +0200 Received: from chris--pc (max05-043.enterprise.net [194.72.197.43]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id BAA22741 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 01:56:48 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-ID: <001201beef5d$e46d06e0$2bc548c2@chris--pc.> From: "Chris Pile" To: "Sam Users Group" Subject: SAM DEFENDER Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 01:56:47 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 33 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1363 Hi All, Some of you may know about SAM DEFENDER and my reluctance to release it because of the moral issues surrounding Persona, even thought I own all rights to the program. Basically I was waiting for David Ledbury's instructions with regards to Persona. Now David has left the SAM scene, and the Persona website doesn't appear to exist any more, I decided to e-mail him. Before anyone asks, I don't know why David decided to pull the plug, nor do I know anything about Persona or David's future. I don't want to know... That's their business. After e-mailing David with my intentions, to which he didn't object, I am releasing SAM DEFENDER into the public domain. I've produced the game image in three flavours: .DSK, .TD0 and .BIN so you can take your pick. Sadly the game doesn't run under Simcoupé. You need a real SAM to play this one! ;-) The game images plus some general background information can be found here: http://homepages.enterprise.net/pegasus/defender Anyone who runs a SAM website please feel free to link to this page. My apologies to the *real* web authors/designers! I'm am not a web author, and I hate all there is to hate about producing web pages! Anyway, I hope those of you who download the game enjoy it. Sorry to those who actually bought it from Persona, but you did get Astroball and Dyzonium too! Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 03:08:31 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id DAA19480 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:08:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id DAA22159 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:08:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49760-20417>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:03:26 +0200 Received: from harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.121.12]:18890 "EHLO harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49759-20417>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:03:13 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip35.seattle14.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.97.35]) by harrier.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id SAA11438 for ; Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:03:04 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000901beef5e$bfeb8480$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <001201beef5d$e46d06e0$2bc548c2@chris--pc.> Subject: Re: SAM DEFENDER Date: Wed, 25 Aug 1999 18:03:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 64 Ok... so what did you do to it that breaks SimCoupe? :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 03:41:00 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id DAA21431 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:40:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id DAA01097 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:40:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49753-20417>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:39:54 +0200 Received: from mail.enterprise.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.72.192.18]:16905 "EHLO mail.enterprise.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49749-20417>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:39:40 +0200 Received: from chris--pc (max02-072.enterprise.net [194.72.195.192]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id CAA26669 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:39:36 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-ID: <000601beef63$db1a7ea0$c0c348c2@chris--pc.> From: "Chris Pile" To: Subject: Re: SAM DEFENDER Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 02:39:27 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 386 -----Original Message----- From: Simon Cooke To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 26 August 1999 02:08 Subject: Re: SAM DEFENDER >Ok... so what did you do to it that breaks SimCoupe? :) A seasoned 'hacker' like yourself will have no trouble cracking it! ;-) I warn you though, the end result (on Simcoupé) isn't pretty. :-( Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 10:41:50 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA16270 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:41:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA04657 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:41:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49347-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:38:16 +0200 Received: from orange.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.77]:42196 "EHLO orange.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49397-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:38:05 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by orange.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11Jv2o-0001Y4-00; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:38:02 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:38:02 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk To: Sam Users Group Subject: Re: SAM DEFENDER In-Reply-To: <001201beef5d$e46d06e0$2bc548c2@chris--pc.> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 32 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 1264 On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Chris Pile wrote: > The game images plus some general background information can be found here: > > http://homepages.enterprise.net/pegasus/defender Not that I want to be unnecessarily picky, but on the site you say: LEGAL JARGON: I'm releasing SAM DEFENDER into the public domain. The copyright remains mine and the game must not be sold for profit or gain. This is actually a contradiction - since you want to retain copyright you shouldn't be calling it Public Domain (Public Domain is a well-defined term, legally speaking, which precludes copyright ownership by any individual). You should probably term it freeware. HTH. But anyway, good on you for uploading that! Remind me to buy you a drink some time... speaking of which, doeS aNyBody know whether there is a Quedgeley show planned for this October?? I realise Bob's the person to ask, but has anyone managed to contact him recently? I'd hate to think that Sam's tenth birthday may go by without a proper "party"... Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 10:55:30 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA17017 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:55:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA14862 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:55:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49342-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:42:44 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:46340 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49403-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:42:30 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:49:52 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CEE@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SAM DEFENDER Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:49:50 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 12 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 430 >But anyway, good on you for uploading that! Remind me to buy you a drink >some time... speaking of which, doeS aNyBody know whether there is a >Quedgeley show planned for this October?? I realise Bob's the person to >ask, but has anyone managed to contact him recently? I'd hate to think >that Sam's tenth birthday may go by without a proper "party"... > >Andrew We could all pile into a pub/club somewhere instead... Justin. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 10:58:45 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA17144 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:58:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA17264 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:58:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49359-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:55:34 +0200 Received: from orange.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.77]:39394 "EHLO orange.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49355-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:55:24 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by orange.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11JvJa-0002d4-00; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:55:22 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:55:22 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM DEFENDER In-Reply-To: <000901beef5e$bfeb8480$64a5fea9@simcooke3> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 17 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 560 On Wed, 25 Aug 1999, Simon Cooke wrote: > Ok... so what did you do to it that breaks SimCoupe? :) Well, it isn't *that* long since I posted a little timing routine which prints a repeatably different result on SimCoupe (up to 0.78) and Sam Coupe... it wouldn't be hard just to have automated that! Bet he didn't though? Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 10:58:45 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id KAA17145 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:58:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id KAA17271 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:58:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49404-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:58:06 +0200 Received: from orange.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.77]:39652 "EHLO orange.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49355-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 10:57:49 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by orange.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11JvLq-0002me-00; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:57:42 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 09:57:42 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SAM DEFENDER In-Reply-To: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CEE@mailhost.aculab.com> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 22 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 864 On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Justin Skists wrote: > >But anyway, good on you for uploading that! Remind me to buy you a drink > >some time... speaking of which, doeS aNyBody know whether there is a > >Quedgeley show planned for this October?? I realise Bob's the person to > >ask, but has anyone managed to contact him recently? I'd hate to think > >that Sam's tenth birthday may go by without a proper "party"... > > We could all pile into a pub/club somewhere instead... Heh - might be nice to have one or two Sams around the place though, surely? You never know, someone might even have programmed something for the occasion... Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 12:40:25 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA23535 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:40:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA26958 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:40:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49347-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:37:55 +0200 Received: from pc-212-51-220-7.p.lodz.pl ([IPv6:::ffff:212.51.220.7]:43524 "EHLO sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49342-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:37:30 +0200 Received: from sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl (pa93.piotrkow.ppp.tpnet.pl [212.160.30.93]) by sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA00853 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:53:49 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from yarek@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl) From: Jarek Adamski To: Ian Collier Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:33:15 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19990825152821.G16918@comlab.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: Re: SAM networks MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 13 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 427 Ian Collier wrote: > At least, I don't know of any way to control those two pins > separately from the MIDI, and the networking bits of the Sam > ROM use port 253 in such a way that you can connect a normal > MIDI lead and communicate over it. There's a bit port that allows control ouput line apart from the UART. MIDI lead is enough to connect two SAMs, but for two way transmission two MIDI leads are needed. -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 12:40:29 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA23528 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:40:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA26943 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:40:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49359-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:37:50 +0200 Received: from pc-212-51-220-7.p.lodz.pl ([IPv6:::ffff:212.51.220.7]:43268 "EHLO sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49242-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:37:26 +0200 Received: from sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl (pa93.piotrkow.ppp.tpnet.pl [212.160.30.93]) by sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA00849 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:53:44 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from yarek@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl) From: Jarek Adamski To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:19:53 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <37C494EF.E12D2534@clear.net.nz> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: Re: SAM networks MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 41 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 1504 Justin Skists wrote: >> I had always had the impression that the network port was, in >> fact, the MIDI port. You connect the SAMs up as a daisy chain >> and tell the SAM about it. (Oops, I should write all I know first.) Gasson wrote: > Kinda-sorta right. It is the MIDI port, but it's not the MIDI > hardware running the thing, AFAIK. Those extra 2 pins on the > MIDI port do the networking. The 2 pins change only the connection property. MIDI is current loop, point-to-point, with receiver not connected to GND. With the network pins the network is like a big OR gate - each computer has one input and the output is common. The UART used for MIDI works also in network. But in multi point network the first byte of frame (computer number) must be send with checking of actual state of line. If you want low state, but the state is high, this means other computer also started transmission and its number is higher, so you must shut up. Such protocol was used in Interface 1. I would like to know is there software that allows connect more than 2 SAMs or connect SAM with Interface 1. > So I suppose it would be possible to wire up a little patch > box to allow both MIDI and networking to be used at once. Only with external switch... > As for the "Network (...) via external MGT interface", I can > only assume it is a misprint. I guess they were not going to > build the networking in originally, and then changed their > minds. What about network channels mentioned elsewhere? -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 12:40:40 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA23532 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:40:23 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA26952 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:40:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49242-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:37:53 +0200 Received: from pc-212-51-220-7.p.lodz.pl ([IPv6:::ffff:212.51.220.7]:43780 "EHLO sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49347-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:37:35 +0200 Received: from sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl (pa93.piotrkow.ppp.tpnet.pl [212.160.30.93]) by sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA00857 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:53:55 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from yarek@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl) From: Jarek Adamski To: Ian Collier Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:37:39 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: <19990824113632.A14103@comlab.ox.ac.uk> X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: Re: SAM networks MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 19 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 660 Ian Collier wrote: > If there is no DOS loaded then the Sam accepts "device n" and > will save and load through the MIDI port. I don't think I have > tried this with two Sams, but I have used it with a Sam and a > +3 by writing a prog on the +3 to imitate what the Sam does. Does is use a kind of network protocol (frames) or only sends bytes like for tape? > If MasterDOS is loaded then you can do it by putting "n:" at > the beginning of the file name. I seem to remember there was > some quirk about doing this, but I forget exactly what. Maybe it > was that "device n" didn't work but putting "n:" in the name > did. DEVICE N: LOAD "" works. -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 13:00:05 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA24722 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:00:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA09829 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:00:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49342-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:54:51 +0200 Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.120.62]:40917 "EHLO snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49404-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:54:33 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip10.seattle14.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.97.10]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id DAA13561 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:54:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <001b01beefb1$5fb686c0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: Subject: Re: SAM networks Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 03:54:29 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 745 > The UART used for MIDI works also in network. But in multi point > network the first byte of frame (computer number) must be send > with checking of actual state of line. If you want low state, > but the state is high, this means other computer also started > transmission and its number is higher, so you must shut up. Such > protocol was used in Interface 1. Umm.. actually, the priority of the other computers aren't taken into account; the ROM just checks to see if the line is busy; if it is, it waits until it isn't. I believe that the ROM source is still up on NVG, if anyone wants to take a peek :) BTW: You can connect more than 2 SAMs together over the network; it works as a loop; kinda like token ring, but not quite :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 13:20:59 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA26194 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:20:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA24944 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:20:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49465-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:15:25 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:32007 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49437-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:15:12 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01295 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:15:04 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id MAA20615 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:14:58 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:14:57 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM networks Message-ID: <19990826121457.B20276@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <001b01beefb1$5fb686c0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <001b01beefb1$5fb686c0$64a5fea9@simcooke3>; from Simon Cooke on Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 03:54:29AM -0700 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 411 On Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 03:54:29AM -0700, Simon Cooke wrote: > Umm.. actually, the priority of the other computers aren't taken into > account; the ROM just checks to see if the line is busy; if it is, it waits ... a random amount of time before checking again ... > until it isn't. Because of course if it waited a fixed amount of time then the computers would clash again after that time had elapsed. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 13:21:00 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA26196 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:20:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA24953 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:20:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49411-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:15:43 +0200 Received: from orange.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.77]:59096 "EHLO orange.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49437-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:15:26 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by orange.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11JxV5-0003fh-00; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:15:23 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:15:23 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM networks In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 26 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 1087 On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Jarek Adamski wrote: > I would like to know is there software that allows connect more > than 2 SAMs or connect SAM with Interface 1. Actually, some years ago I did work on a token-ring[1] system for connecting Sams together - my experiments at the time only went as far as writing an IRC-style chat program, but it should have been extensible. Unfortuantely, the only time I ever had more than two Sams in the same room to test it was at the first Weatherby show, the code didn't work and I didn't really get chance to figure out what was going wrong. Andrew [1] Yes, the Sams were in a loop - it seemed the most convenient way to be sure that every Sam could send messages to every other. The trick is to turn MIDI-Through off (otherwise messages would go round and round forever), and do all the packet-forwarding manually... -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 13:21:00 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA26199 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:20:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA24965 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:20:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49565-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:16:33 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:33799 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49520-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:16:27 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id MAA01311 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:16:25 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id MAA20626 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:16:22 +0100 (BST) Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:16:21 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: Ian Collier Subject: Re: SAM networks Message-ID: <19990826121621.C20276@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: Ian Collier References: <19990824113632.A14103@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Jarek Adamski on Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 12:37:39PM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 653 On Thu, Aug 26, 1999 at 12:37:39PM +0100, Jarek Adamski wrote: > Does is use a kind of network protocol (frames) or only sends > bytes like for tape? The Sam ROM does not use network protocol and behaves pretty much like the tape interface. > > If MasterDOS is loaded then you can do it by putting "n:" at > > the beginning of the file name. I seem to remember there was > > some quirk about doing this, but I forget exactly what. Maybe it > > was that "device n" didn't work but putting "n:" in the name > > did. > DEVICE N: LOAD "" works. Well I forget what the problem was exactly, but I think there was one. Perhaps it is with SAVE instead. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 13:35:52 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA26931 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:35:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA06563 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:35:50 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49656-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:21:56 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:25240 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49641-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:21:51 +0200 Received: from [62.172.23.66] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11JxbD-0005Ii-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:21:43 +0100 Message-ID: <000101beeff8$501601e0$4217ac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: SAMDISK.exe + Simcoupe. Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:21:08 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 751 Can anyone tell me why Samdisk will not work with my PC. I have a 386 x 16mhz laptop and Samdisk works perfectly on that. I've had various flavours of PC .. 486 DX2 66 Samdisk would not work. .. P100 Samdisk would not work. .. 166Mhz Pent . Current, Samdisk will not work with this either. Any Ideas.... Has anyone had the same or similar problem. With reference to promoting Sam to new users via Simcoupe. This is not a viable option until a printer option and saving to a disk in the "A" drive has been implemented. No problem if you have a real Sam and Samdisk works ok. Otherwise, forget it... Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 14:20:43 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA29656 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:20:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA11972 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:20:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49347-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:14:06 +0200 Received: from orange.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.77]:12681 "EHLO orange.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49342-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:13:57 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by orange.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11JyPg-0007Jz-00; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:13:52 +0100 Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:13:52 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk To: Sam Usergroup Subject: Re: SAMDISK.exe + Simcoupe. In-Reply-To: <000101beeff8$501601e0$4217ac3e@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 17 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 490 On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Robert Wilkinson wrote: > Can anyone tell me why Samdisk will not work with my PC. > > Any Ideas.... I hope this doesn't sound trite, but have you tried samdsk instead? (ISTR it works much more reliably than the other program). Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 14:30:11 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA29984 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:30:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA19653 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:30:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49242-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:28:26 +0200 Received: from bundy.katowice.pkp.com.pl ([IPv6:::ffff:195.136.30.131]:52542 "EHLO bundy.katowice.pkp.com.pl" ident: "TIMEDOUT2") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49437-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:28:15 +0200 Received: from katowice.pkp.com.pl (tomek.katowice.pkp.com.pl [195.136.30.102]) by bundy.katowice.pkp.com.pl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id OAA24201 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:04:43 +0200 Message-ID: <37C532E1.44B5ABB3@katowice.pkp.com.pl> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:28:17 +0200 From: Tomasz =?iso-8859-2?Q?Pud=B3o?= Organization: CIK X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [pl] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: pl MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAMDISK.exe + Simcoupe. References: <000101beeff8$501601e0$4217ac3e@default> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Length: 751 Robert Wilkinson napisa³(a): > Can anyone tell me why Samdisk will not work with my PC. > > I have a 386 x 16mhz laptop and Samdisk works perfectly on that. on my 486sx 25mhz laptop (Compaq Contura) samdisk and teledisk works perfectly too. > I've had various flavours of PC .. 486 DX2 66 Samdisk would not > work. > .. P100 > Samdisk would not work. > .. 166Mhz Pent . ... on Pentium 200MMX samdisk works and teledisk.exe not. His damaged my hdd filesystem ! tell me why ! > Current, Samdisk will not work with this either. > > Any Ideas.... :-( > Has anyone had the same or similar problem. > Bob Wilkinson. Tom From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 14:40:56 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA00778 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:40:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA28278 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:40:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49565-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:33:56 +0200 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.41]:30219 "EHLO finch-post-12.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49555-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 14:33:43 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Jyir-000FIv-0C for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 12:33:42 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 13:33:05 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: SAM DEFENDER References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 403 Status: RO X-Lines: 15 In message , Andrew Collier writes >I'd hate to think >that Sam's tenth birthday may go by without a proper "party"... Don't you mean "wake"? Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 16:30:39 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id QAA07314 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:30:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id QAA25900 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:30:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49607-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:25:30 +0200 Received: from mail.enterprise.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.72.192.18]:29705 "EHLO mail.enterprise.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49621-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 16:25:13 +0200 Received: from chris--pc (max01-001.enterprise.net [194.72.195.1]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id PAA10036 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:25:05 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-ID: <000a01beefce$caf7ee20$01c348c2@chris--pc.> From: "Chris Pile" To: "Sam Users Group" Subject: Re: SAM DEFENDER Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 15:23:43 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 751 ----Original Message----- From: Andrew Collier To: Sam Users Group Date: 26 August 1999 09:41 Subject: Re: SAM DEFENDER >Not that I want to be unnecessarily picky, but on the site you say: > >LEGAL JARGON: > I'm releasing SAM DEFENDER into the public domain. The copyright >remains mine and the game must not be sold for profit or gain. > > >This is actually a contradiction - since you want to retain copyright you >shouldn't be calling it Public Domain (Public Domain is a well-defined >term, legally speaking, which precludes copyright ownership by any >individual). You should probably term it freeware. HTH. Fair enough, thanks for pointing it out!! Consider it changed... Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 20:09:09 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA19496 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:09:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA26277 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:09:06 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49705-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:07:35 +0200 Received: from trolly.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.166]:57303 "EHLO trolley.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49637-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 20:07:28 +0200 Received: from [62.172.22.10] (helo=default) by trolley.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11K3vg-000271-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:07:16 +0100 Message-ID: <001401bef030$f7150940$0a16ac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: SAMDISK.exe + Simcoupe. Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 19:06:49 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 228 Andrew Collier wrote > >I hope this doesn't sound trite, but have you tried samdsk instead? (ISTR >it works much more reliably than the other program). > >Andrew No, I don't have Samdsk, where can I get it. Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Thu Aug 26 22:30:22 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA27463 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:30:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA20169 for ; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:30:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49771-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:29:39 +0200 Received: from fep4-orange.clear.net.nz ([IPv6:::ffff:203.97.32.4]:38631 "EHLO fep4-orange.clear.net.nz" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49769-22560>; Thu, 26 Aug 1999 22:29:16 +0200 Received: from clear.net.nz (a001-m001-u59.dune.clear.net.nz [203.167.192.58]) by fep4-orange.clear.net.nz (1.5/1.3) with ESMTP id IAA27468; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 08:28:53 +1200 (NZST) Message-ID: <37C5F89A.B9795532@clear.net.nz> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 03:31:54 +0100 From: Gasson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.04 [en] (OS/2; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM DEFENDER References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 244 Andrew Collier wrote: >> I'd hate to think >> that Sam's tenth birthday may go by without a proper "party"... Graham Goring wrote: > Don't you mean "wake"? Well, I'm glad you didn't organise _my_ 10th birthday party. ;-) -- James Gasson From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 27 00:34:39 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA04317 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:34:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA02486 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:34:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49204-22560>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:33:12 +0200 Received: from imo22.mx.aol.com ([IPv6:::ffff:198.81.17.66]:16403 "EHLO imo22.mx.aol.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49781-22560>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:33:00 +0200 Received: from Gouranga@aol.com by imo22.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id wFMHa06597 (15549); Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:32:00 -0400 (EDT) From: Gouranga@aol.com Message-ID: <54ef65c3.24f71a5f@aol.com> Date: Thu, 26 Aug 1999 18:31:59 EDT Subject: Re: SAM Downloads To: Andrew Collier , sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL NetMail version 2.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1255 re: FRED. FRED was passed over to Darren Wileman, after which it was arranged that George Boyle would have it. Although it was only a verbal agreement and no contract was signed. Eventually a contract with Malcolm Mackenzie was signed, but he passed away shortly afterwards. At no point were any of the copyrights transferred (other than back to their original owners in some cases). Which means.....? I think it means everything has now reverted to me. I've been keeping loose communication with DavidL, but the recent rumours seem to rule him out as an option. The game is due to be finished in the next couple of months, and I may find the time to pick up the FRED mantle again myself....I'd need some assistance though....? re: SAM's birthday. Like everyone else, I'm not sure when Format will be back to its usual self, but if nothing else is organised, we should definitely arrange something for SAM's 10th birthday. Any ideas? re: Late Lemmings I seem to remember sending out semi-finished copies of Bulgulators and Dyzonium to people who hadn't already got them, and who had pre-ordered Lemmings or SAMPaint - the idea was that if people liked either one, they could buy them for a fiver.... re:Graham Goring Cheer up you miserable get. C. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 27 01:38:50 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA07880 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:38:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA21566 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:38:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49788-22560>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:38:03 +0200 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.81]:5051 "EHLO tungsten.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49789-22560>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 01:37:41 +0200 Received: from [62.6.18.248] (helo=btinternet.com) by tungsten.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11K95J-0002W3-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:37:34 +0100 Message-ID: <37C5CFB0.DB79D41D@btinternet.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 00:37:20 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAM DEFENDER References: <001201beef5d$e46d06e0$2bc548c2@chris--pc.> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 443 > The game images plus some general background information can be found here: Since no-one else seemed to have, I'll just say : thanks for this! Since all my other commercial games are long dead, this will be about the only thing I have that actually works correctly all of the time on my SAM. And that also holds true for the power supply unit. Of course, if it requires 512kb memory, then forget the above sentiment entirely! -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 27 12:08:35 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA15198 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:08:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA07787 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:08:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49365-22560>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:06:12 +0200 Received: from orange.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.77]:20635 "EHLO orange.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49358-22560>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:06:00 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by orange.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11KItR-0004HL-00; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:05:57 +0100 Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:05:57 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@orange.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: SAMDISK.exe + Simcoupe. In-Reply-To: <001401bef030$f7150940$0a16ac3e@default> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 18 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 545 On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Robert Wilkinson wrote: > Andrew Collier wrote > >I hope this doesn't sound trite, but have you tried samdsk instead? (ISTR > >it works much more reliably than the other program). > > No, I don't have Samdsk, where can I get it. ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/misc/pc/samdsk.zip Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 27 13:10:22 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA19110 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:10:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA18781 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:10:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49365-22560>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:07:54 +0200 Received: from mailhost.aculab.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.202.163.1]:28680 "EHLO saturn.aculab.com" ident: "SOCKWRITE-113") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49358-22560>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:07:41 +0200 Received: by mailhost.aculab.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) id ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:57:54 +0100 Message-ID: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851CF2@mailhost.aculab.com> From: Justin Skists To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: SAMDISK.exe + Simcoupe. Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 11:57:52 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2232.9) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 32 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 937 Heh.. This is embarrasing... but... umm... What do I need to put .sad onto SAM floppy? Or do I you use the same samdsk.exe? Have fun, An embarrasingly idiotic Justin. > -----Original Message----- > From: Andrew Collier [SMTP:asc25@cam.ac.uk] > Sent: Friday, August 27, 1999 11:06 AM > To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > Subject: Re: SAMDISK.exe + Simcoupe. > > On Thu, 26 Aug 1999, Robert Wilkinson wrote: > > > Andrew Collier wrote > > >I hope this doesn't sound trite, but have you tried samdsk instead? > (ISTR > > >it works much more reliably than the other program). > > > > No, I don't have Samdsk, where can I get it. > > ftp://ftp.nvg.ntnu.no/pub/sam-coupe/misc/pc/samdsk.zip > > Andrew > > -- > -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other > -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a > -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file > -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 27 13:31:45 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA20453 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:31:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA04284 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:31:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49379-22560>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:29:46 +0200 Received: from mail.enterprise.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.72.192.18]:39441 "EHLO mail.enterprise.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49358-22560>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 13:29:28 +0200 Received: from chris--pc (max02-005.enterprise.net [194.72.195.125]) by mail.enterprise.net (8.8.5/8.8.5) with SMTP id MAA09959 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:29:19 +0100 (GMT/BST) Message-ID: <000a01bef07f$676d9420$7dc348c2@chris--pc.> From: "Chris Pile" To: Subject: Re: SAM DEFENDER Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 12:28:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.1 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 687 -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Harte To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: 27 August 1999 00:38 Subject: Re: SAM DEFENDER >> The game images plus some general background information can be found here: > > Since no-one else seemed to have, I'll just say : thanks for this! Since all >my other commercial games are long dead, this will be about the only thing I >have that actually works correctly all of the time on my SAM. And that also >holds true for the power supply unit. > > Of course, if it requires 512kb memory, then forget the above sentiment >entirely! Thanks for the thanks!! Oh, and it runs fine on a 256k!! Chris. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 27 16:02:31 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id QAA29217 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:02:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id QAA26980 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 16:02:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49463-22560>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:59:29 +0200 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.211]:16992 "EHLO mail4.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49409-22560>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:59:19 +0200 Received: from modem-17.thulium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.34.17] helo=johnna-teare) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11KMXF-0006B0-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 14:59:18 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 15:01:39 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sam Printer In-reply-to: <136432006.935352951592.JavaMail.root@localhost> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 295 On 22 Aug 99, at 20:15, surfin_usm@absobloodylutely.c wrote: > From : Robert Wilkinson > > > adie-usm Carter fan? Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Fri Aug 27 19:31:05 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id TAA10946 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:31:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id TAA23294 for ; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:31:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49597-22560>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:29:46 +0200 Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.82]:40355 "EHLO praseodumium.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49614-22560>; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 19:29:23 +0200 Received: from [62.6.19.115] (helo=btinternet.com) by praseodumium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11KPoW-0005uB-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:29:20 +0100 Message-ID: <37C6CAE4.B16F768A@btinternet.com> Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 18:29:08 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM Mailing List Subject: Graphic Modes Stuff Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1458 I've been writing some simplistic ZX Spectrum programs for a bit now, and feel I am ready to move on to trying to write something for the SAM (one of which I actually own). Of course I understand that there isn't any extra complexity in writing for the SAM (at my level) once the graphics mode has been set up, but there is a lot of extra complexity in being able to quickly write code and try it out. So while I'm here : please can a snapshot file format be added to a SIM Coupé? Only loading would be fine . . . Anyway, I am wondering about graphics modes. Since the drafts for a new technical manual available on the 'net are broken with my current PDF viewer, I was hoping someone here could help. First : are there any speed differences between the graphics modes? I understand that Mode 1 is slowed down deliberately to loosely approximate a ZX Spectrum, but are there any other differences in other graphics modes? How many t-states do I get per scanline, and are there still 312 of them? Second : does altering the palette have any effect in Modes 1 & 2? Does Mode 3 simply only look at the first 4 palette entries, or is it more complex than that? Third : is whichever page of memory which doesn't contain any of the screen still contended? Am I right in thinking that the only effect of contention is to frequently round t-states up to the nearest 4? Finally : thanks for reading this, and thanks some more for any responses. -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 28 00:51:54 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA28539 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:51:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA06938 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:51:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49798-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:49:58 +0200 Received: from black-sun.demon.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:212.228.147.62]:20228 "HELO black-sun.demon.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49640-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:49:44 +0200 Received: from black-sun ([127.0.0.1]) by black-sun.demon.co.uk with SMTP (Mailtraq/1.0.0.990) id BLCK35991AB97 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Fri, 27 Aug 1999 23:49:03 +0100 From: "Paul Walker" Organization: very little To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Fri, 27 Aug 1999 23:49:03 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: SAMDISK.exe + Simcoupe. Message-ID: In-reply-to: <000101beeff8$501601e0$4217ac3e@default> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) X-Hops: 1 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 911 > Can anyone tell me why Samdisk will not work with my PC. > I have a 386 x 16mhz laptop and Samdisk works perfectly on that. > I've had various flavours of PC .. 486 DX2 66 Samdisk would not [snip] Yep. It's because samdisk tries to read tracks 10 sectors at a time (reasonable enough, since sam disks have 10 sectors per track). *Newer* BIOSes, however, being indoctrinated (and lazy), assume that everyone is going to be using MS-DOS format disks which only have 9 sectors, and therefore trying to read 10 is an error. Honest. You don't really want to do that. (An attitude I also dislike about the Mac, to drag that into it ) The way around it is to read 9 then the other separately, but it's easier to use a program which is already aware of the problem. ;) -- Paul ... I have it somewhere, and it does work. I regard it with irrational fear and a sense of shock. -- Tim Cook From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 28 01:33:42 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA00887 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 01:33:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA16770 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 01:33:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49798-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 01:32:42 +0200 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.93]:9347 "EHLO rhenium.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49622-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 01:32:30 +0200 Received: from [62.172.61.205] (helo=store.house) by rhenium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11KVTq-0000bx-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:32:23 +0100 Received: from toy.house [192.168.116.10] by store.house with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11KVVG-0005Rq-00; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:33:50 +0100 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37C6CAE4.B16F768A@btinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:31:43 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Graphic Modes Stuff X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 60 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 2211 At 10:58 pm +0100 27/8/99, Thomas Harte wrote: > First : are there any speed differences between the graphics modes? I Mode 1 is a special slow case, but modes 2 to 4 should all have the same effect on memory accesses. >understand that Mode 1 is slowed down deliberately to loosely approximate a ZX >Spectrum, but are there any other differences in other graphics modes? How >many t-states do I get per scanline, and are there still 312 of them? There are 312 scanlines of 384 tstates each. (See my answer to your third question). > Second : does altering the palette have any effect in Modes 1 & 2? Yes, exactly as you would expect from having used Mode 4. > Does Mode >3 simply only look at the first 4 palette entries, or is it more complex than >that? Well, yes it is more complicated but the chances are you'll never really need to worry about that.... There's a fairly useless feature involving bits 5 and 6 of the HMPR - by setting these bits, the pixels in mode 3 will be displayed using palette entries 4 to 7, 8 to 11, or 12 to 15 instead of 0 to 3. It is also worth noting that screen bits %10 are displayed as palette entry %01, and %01 is displayed as %10. Mode 3 has always been a bit quirky! > Third : is whichever page of memory which doesn't contain any of >the screen >still contended? No, all RAM pages are affected in the exactly same way, regardless of which page is displayed at the paricular time. > Am I right in thinking that the only effect of contention is >to frequently round t-states up to the nearest 4? Well, no... it also halves the speed of memory accesses during the time that the screen is displayed. In effect nearly all instructions take twice as long to execute during that time, so it is easiest to keep the number of t-states per instruction constant, and consider lines of 256 "usable" t-states. But a few instructions which don't need to access memory will appear to "gain" 4 tstates over normal execution timings. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 28 02:07:46 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id CAA02781 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 02:07:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id CAA24647 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 02:07:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49817-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 01:53:23 +0200 Received: from tantalum.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.80]:61611 "EHLO tantalum.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49814-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 01:53:07 +0200 Received: from host5-171-237-43.btinternet.com ([195.171.237.43] helo=btinternet.com) by tantalum.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11KVnr-0000yA-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:53:04 +0100 Message-ID: <37C724CE.E0C11B94@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 00:52:46 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM Mailing List Subject: Power Supply Unit Woes Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 380 Now that the connection between the end of the power supply unit that plugs into the SAM and the lead that runs from it to the power supply is almost severed anyway, and because I couldn't find anything about it at the SAM Coupé Scrapbook, I am wondering - if I were to cut the wire and try to resolder the end slightly lower down, which coloured wire would go where? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 28 12:12:39 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA07512 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:12:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA09090 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:12:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49425-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:11:19 +0200 Received: from pc-212-51-220-7.p.lodz.pl ([IPv6:::ffff:212.51.220.7]:4100 "EHLO sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49413-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:11:03 +0200 Received: from sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl (pa118.piotrkow.ppp.tpnet.pl [212.160.30.118]) by sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id MAA01721 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:27:23 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from yarek@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl) From: Jarek Adamski To: Andrew Collier Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:09:00 +0100 Message-ID: In-Reply-To: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: Re: SAM networks MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 20 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 737 Andrew Collier wrote: > Actually, some years ago I did work on a token-ring[1] system > for connecting Sams together - my experiments at the time only > went as far as writing an IRC-style chat program, but it > should have been extensible. So, it still isn't working. I want to implement some network protocols in my operating systems for SAM. Mostly for file access (also for files like "TCP:name.of.server/port"). > Unfortuantely, the only time I ever had more than two Sams in > the same room to test it was at the first Weatherby show, the > code didn't work and I didn't really get chance to figure out > what was going wrong. Well, I know someone who has 3 SAMs, not far from me... Could you share the code with me? -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 28 12:37:33 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA08875 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:37:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA12650 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:37:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49428-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:36:17 +0200 Received: from tantalum.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.80]:10658 "EHLO tantalum.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49425-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:36:03 +0200 Received: from [62.172.57.169] (helo=store.house) by tantalum.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11Kfq0-0003YB-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:35:56 +0100 Received: from toy.house [192.168.116.10] by store.house with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11KfrV-0002Ot-00; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:37:29 +0100 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 11:22:50 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: SAM networks X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 752 At 11:13 am +0100 28/8/99, Jarek Adamski wrote: >Andrew Collier wrote: >> Unfortuantely, the only time I ever had more than two Sams in >> the same room to test it was at the first Weatherby show, the >> code didn't work and I didn't really get chance to figure out >> what was going wrong. >Well, I know someone who has 3 SAMs, not far from me... Could >you share the code with me? Unfortunately I don't appear to have the correct disk with that particular source file with me in Cambridge at the moment. Sorry. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 28 13:51:34 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA13084 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:51:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA23876 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:51:32 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49450-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:50:49 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:5137 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49441-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:50:26 +0200 Received: from [195.8.76.203] (helo=default) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Kh04-0007Gj-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:50:25 +0100 Message-ID: <37C7CCB1.4C2A@clara.net> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 12:49:05 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Graphic Modes Stuff References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 884 Andrew Collier wrote: > > At 10:58 pm +0100 27/8/99, Thomas Harte wrote: > > First : are there any speed differences between the graphics modes? I > > Mode 1 is a special slow case, but modes 2 to 4 should all have the same > effect on memory accesses. > > >understand that Mode 1 is slowed down deliberately to loosely approximate a ZX > >Spectrum... Blimey, I learn something new about the Sam every day (almost). I always assumed Mode 1 was full Sam speed, but that the emulating software was rigged to slow things down. Not that it seemed to work, with all the flickery sprites that turn up in most of the games I've tried... Gord. -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 28 14:50:07 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA16245 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:50:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA03095 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:50:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49450-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:49:09 +0200 Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.82]:59556 "EHLO praseodumium.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49338-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 14:48:54 +0200 Received: from host5-171-239-203.btinternet.com ([195.171.239.203] helo=btinternet.com) by praseodumium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11KhuY-0000Me-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:48:46 +0100 Message-ID: <37C7DA99.8438A33E@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 13:48:25 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM Mailing List Subject: A small SAM upload Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1180 though I didn't think anything of it at the time, I receieved when I was younger a SAM disk featuring the Spectrum games Chase HQ, WEC Le Mans and Tetris 2 appearing exactly as they would on a 128kb ZX Spectrum. Also, some old ZX Spectrum emulator appears. Since I have been investigating SAM and ZX programming of late, I am now aware that to achieve this, someone will have had to reprogram the memory paging scheme and the sound chip stuff (after all, an SAA is not an AY). Now, because no-one else seems to offer these games (though I am aware that Aley at least has them), and because all three of these games are available on WOS I've taken a moment to SAMDSK the disk, clean up the files (though please excuse the rather 'basic' menu at the start - I can't have been more than 12 when I wrote it) and upload it. Also, concerning the Spectrum emulator, the ROM is now free for emulation and the emulator is freeware anyway. Anyway, just thought someone might be interested. http://www.btinternet.com/~t.harte/SAM128.zip (contains a DSK image file, but at least Chase HQ doesn't run very well in SIM). Sorry if I'm just cluttering up e-mail inboxes . . . -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 28 16:46:23 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id QAA22646 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:46:22 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id QAA22047 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:46:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49515-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:45:31 +0200 Received: from runix.runit.sintef.no ([IPv6:::ffff:129.241.1.5]:47890 "EHLO runix.runit.sintef.no" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49503-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:45:21 +0200 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com (carbon.btinternet.com [194.73.73.92]) by runix.runit.sintef.no (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id QAA28005 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 16:45:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from [62.6.20.216] (helo=btinternet.com) by carbon.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11Kjir-0002s4-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:44:50 +0100 Message-ID: <37C7F5CC.6B41703C@btinternet.com> Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 15:44:28 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: SAM Mailing List Subject: Where to find 'Outwrite!'? Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 286 To quote Robert Wilkinson "I've sent Outwrite! and a Morse code tutor to David Ledbury to place on the Persona site.". But to summarise the thread 'Persona dead?', that web site no longer exists, and probably won't for a bit. So has Outwrite! been uploaded anywhere else? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 28 21:26:03 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA08404 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:26:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA04891 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:26:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49531-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:25:03 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:33269 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49529-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 21:24:43 +0200 Received: from [62.172.20.192] (helo=default) by aisle.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11Ko5d-0001wT-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:24:37 +0100 Message-ID: <000c01bef1ce$1b0015e0$c014ac3e@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: Subject: Re: Where to find 'Outwrite!'? Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 20:21:15 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 938 -----Original Message----- From: Thomas Harte To: SAM Mailing List Date: 28 August 1999 07:47 Subject: Where to find 'Outwrite!'? > To quote Robert Wilkinson "I've sent Outwrite! and a Morse code tutor to >David Ledbury to place on the Persona site.". But to summarise the thread >'Persona dead?', that web site no longer exists, and probably won't for a bit. > > So has Outwrite! been uploaded anywhere else? > > -Thomas > David Ledbury e-mailed me direct, and offered to put above titles on the Persona site. I duly sent the files and asked David to let me know when they had been placed. To date I've received no reply. If anybody else knows of an alternative site, and can place them, then please get in touch with me, and I will gladly send them on. If you want a copy now Thomas, then let me know and I can send it to you direct. Bob Wilkinson. Wilkinson40@tesco.net From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sat Aug 28 23:05:22 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA13939 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:05:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA15907 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:05:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49539-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:04:15 +0200 Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.83]:951 "EHLO neodymium.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49503-22560>; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 23:04:01 +0200 Received: from [62.172.57.169] (helo=store.house) by neodymium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11Kpdb-0002rR-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:03:56 +0100 Received: from toy.house [192.168.116.10] by store.house with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11Kpf1-0004tA-00; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:05:17 +0100 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <000c01bef1ce$1b0015e0$c014ac3e@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 22:01:46 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Where to find 'Outwrite!'? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 625 At 8:28 pm +0100 28/8/99, Robert Wilkinson wrote: >> So has Outwrite! been uploaded anywhere else? >If anybody else knows of an alternative site, and can place them, then >please get in touch with me, and I will gladly send them on. I can put them on mnemotech.ucam.org if you like (email me). Alternatively, you could upload them to nvg Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 04:42:44 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id EAA03498 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:42:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id EAA28639 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:42:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49181-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:41:32 +0200 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.210]:20514 "EHLO mail2.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49166-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:41:14 +0200 Received: from modem-2.mercury.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.39.130] helo=johnna-teare) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Kuu9-00037f-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 03:41:13 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 18:47:17 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Who Wants To Be An unnapreciated contributor? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 579 Anybody fancy writing some stuff for a cult tv magazine I'm putting together? Sci-fi, soap opera etc. It's going up on the net and getting distributed in caporial form aswell. Mail me if you're intersted. Oh, and as for SAM content (better put some of that in otherwise people will treat this as one of those horrible 'spam' things that we're always inundated with ;-)) Anybody played vegetable vacation recently? ha ha ha Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 04:46:58 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id EAA03758 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:46:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id EAA29062 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:46:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49200-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:44:21 +0200 Received: from scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.121.49]:50640 "EHLO scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49166-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 04:44:06 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip238.seattle14.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.97.238]) by scaup.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA19819 for ; Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:43:58 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <00be01bef1c8$56934d80$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: Subject: Re: Who Wants To Be An unnapreciated contributor? Date: Sat, 28 Aug 1999 19:43:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 321 From: Johnna Teare > Anybody fancy writing some stuff for a cult tv magazine I'm putting > together? Sci-fi, soap opera etc. It's going up on the net and getting > distributed in caporial form aswell. > > Mail me if you're intersted. Bagsy the Prisoner :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 12:12:05 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id MAA28473 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:12:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id MAA25703 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:12:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49298-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:11:13 +0200 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.38]:22028 "EHLO finch-post-10.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49328-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:11:01 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11L1vO-000Onh-0A for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 10:10:59 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 11:09:25 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Who Wants To Be An unnapreciated contributor? References: <00be01bef1c8$56934d80$64a5fea9@simcooke3> In-Reply-To: <00be01bef1c8$56934d80$64a5fea9@simcooke3> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 731 Status: RO X-Lines: 23 In message <00be01bef1c8$56934d80$64a5fea9@simcooke3>, Simon Cooke writes >From: Johnna Teare >> Anybody fancy writing some stuff for a cult tv magazine I'm putting >> together? Sci-fi, soap opera etc. It's going up on the net and getting >> distributed in caporial form aswell. >> >> Mail me if you're intersted. > >Bagsy the Prisoner :) D'you have something for blokes in stripy clothes then, Simon? ;) Bagsy Doctor Who, btw! Oh, and the BBC adaption of The Tripods. Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 13:32:02 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA02931 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:32:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA06856 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:31:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49333-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:31:14 +0200 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.81]:12484 "EHLO tungsten.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49330-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:30:48 +0200 Received: from host5-171-240-75.btinternet.com ([195.171.240.75] helo=btinternet.com) by tungsten.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11L3AR-0004fo-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:30:35 +0100 Message-ID: <37C919CE.CB8BD927@btinternet.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:30:22 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Who Wants To Be An unnapreciated contributor? References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 10 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 365 > Anybody played vegetable vacation recently? ha ha ha Yesterday actually. Still don't like it, but I found the disk (for which I paid 50p to retrieve from a local shop's bin of cheap disks) suddenly and thought I might see if it still works. Alas it does. Is it really a terrible game, or do you suddenly understand it if you buy with instructions? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 14:19:54 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA05506 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:19:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA13137 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:19:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49333-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:19:14 +0200 Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.82]:27889 "EHLO praseodumium.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49298-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:18:57 +0200 Received: from [62.172.57.169] (helo=store.house) by praseodumium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11L3vA-0002rh-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:18:53 +0100 Received: from toy.house [192.168.116.10] by store.house with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11L3wr-0003o8-00; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:20:37 +0100 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <37C919CE.CB8BD927@btinternet.com> References: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:17:05 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 665 At 12:33 pm +0100 29/8/99, Thomas Harte wrote: >> Anybody played vegetable vacation recently? ha ha ha > Is it really a terrible game, or do you suddenly understand it if >you buy >with instructions? No, I'm pretty sure it really was a terrible game. But I don't think it was Sam's worst ever game.... for my money, that "honor" goes to... Parallax. Controversial? Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 14:54:30 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA07467 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:54:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA18117 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:54:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49345-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:53:33 +0200 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.38]:18952 "EHLO finch-post-10.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49335-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 14:53:26 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11L4Sa-000APO-0A for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 12:53:25 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:53:07 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: <37C919CE.CB8BD927@btinternet.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 802 Status: RO X-Lines: 27 In message , Andrew Collier writes >At 12:33 pm +0100 29/8/99, Thomas Harte wrote: >>> Anybody played vegetable vacation recently? ha ha ha > >> Is it really a terrible game, or do you suddenly understand it if >>you buy >>with instructions? > >No, I'm pretty sure it really was a terrible game. > >But I don't think it was Sam's worst ever game.... for my money, that >"honor" goes to... > >Parallax. I'd have given it to the game's predecessor, whose name escapes me at the moment. Now THAT was a shit game. Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 16:35:14 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id QAA13420 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:35:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id QAA02991 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:35:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49377-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:34:25 +0200 Received: from firewall.armature.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.128.255.225]:54115 "EHLO cow.bacg.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49345-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:34:13 +0200 Received: by cow.bacg.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:24:32 +0100 Message-ID: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C2012989E4@cow.bacg.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dan_Door=E9?= To: "'Sam Users Mailing List'" Subject: RE: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:24:30 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 492 > I'd have given it to the game's predecessor, whose name escapes me > at the moment. Now THAT was a shit game. No Way Back? It was in Basic, forgive and forget I say :-) Incidentally, the sequel was due to be called 'Purge' and entering the Parallax cheat mode will change the front screen logo to said name. Although Mr Cooke is probably in a more privileged position to talk about it :-O Dan. Work: dan@armature.com Shirk: dan@podboy.demon.co.uk VVeb: http://www.podboy.demon.co.uk/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 17:04:41 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA15058 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:04:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA07756 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:04:38 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49377-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:03:46 +0200 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.39]:25353 "EHLO finch-post-11.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49345-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:03:25 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11L6UI-0006f8-0B for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:03:21 +0000 Message-ID: <7kLPOAALuUy3Ewx8@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:02:35 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C2012989E4@cow.bacg.com> In-Reply-To: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C2012989E4@cow.bacg.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 562 In message <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C2012989E4@cow.bacg.com>, Dan Dooré writes >> I'd have given it to the game's predecessor, whose name escapes me >> at the moment. Now THAT was a shit game. > >No Way Back? Nope. I was give to understanding that Parallax was the sequel to that vertically scrolling abomination with mode 2 levels and mode 4 bosses, wunnit? Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 17:13:00 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA15533 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:12:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA09283 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:12:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49415-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:11:55 +0200 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.81]:23534 "EHLO tungsten.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49410-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:11:30 +0200 Received: from [195.99.49.59] (helo=chris) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11L6c9-00056a-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:11:26 +0100 Message-ID: <001001bef230$9c393760$3b3163c3@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C2012989E4@cow.bacg.com> <7kLPOAALuUy3Ewx8@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:10:15 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 846 Status: RO X-Lines: 36 That be Rob Holmans 'Sphere' , under Enigma Variations C ----- Original Message ----- From: Graham Goring To: Sent: Sunday, August 29, 1999 4:02 PM Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) In message <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C2012989E4@cow.bacg.com>, Dan Dooré writes >> I'd have given it to the game's predecessor, whose name escapes me >> at the moment. Now THAT was a shit game. > >No Way Back? Nope. I was give to understanding that Parallax was the sequel to that vertically scrolling abomination with mode 2 levels and mode 4 bosses, wunnit? Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 17:20:06 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA15871 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:20:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA10356 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:20:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49377-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:15:55 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:10759 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49410-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:15:37 +0200 Received: from [195.8.76.82] (helo=default) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11L6g8-0006T8-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:15:34 +0100 Message-ID: <37C94E3B.315B@clara.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:14:03 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C2012989E4@cow.bacg.com> <7kLPOAALuUy3Ewx8@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 708 Graham Goring wrote: > In message <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C2012989E4@cow.bacg.com>, Dan > Dooré writes > >> I'd have given it to the game's predecessor, whose name escapes me > >> at the moment. Now THAT was a shit game. > > > >No Way Back? > > Nope. I was give to understanding that Parallax was the sequel to that > vertically scrolling abomination with mode 2 levels and mode 4 bosses, > wunnit? > Was there ever a _better_ shooter, though? -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 17:38:21 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA16804 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:38:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA13152 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:38:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49345-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:36:38 +0200 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.215]:3588 "EHLO mail12.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49377-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:36:30 +0200 Received: from modem-77.astro.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.96.205] helo=johnna-teare) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11L70O-0005aQ-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:36:28 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:39:30 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) In-reply-to: References: <37C919CE.CB8BD927@btinternet.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 732 On 29 Aug 99, at 13:17, Andrew Collier wrote: > But I don't think it was Sam's worst ever game.... for my money, that > "honor" goes to... > > Parallax. > > Controversial? FutureBall? Has there ever been a poll done on sam-users? To see who likes what the best? > > Andrew > > -- > -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other > -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a > -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file > -- > > > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 17:43:42 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id RAA17180 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:43:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id RAA13976 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:43:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49415-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:39:38 +0200 Received: from mail2.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.210]:7175 "EHLO mail2.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49407-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:39:32 +0200 Received: from modem-77.astro.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.96.205] helo=johnna-teare) by mail2.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11L73K-0004LF-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:39:31 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:42:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) In-reply-to: <37C94E3B.315B@clara.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 550 On 29 Aug 99, at 16:14, Gordon Wallis wrote: > > > Was there ever a _better_ shooter, though? Space Invaders. On a later issue of Fred. By me ;-) > -- > < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 18:02:00 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA18290 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:01:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA16994 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:01:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49377-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:01:19 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:19985 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49478-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:01:03 +0200 Received: from [195.8.76.82] (helo=default) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11L7OA-0007Hj-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:01:02 +0100 Message-ID: <37C958EE.1717@clara.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:59:42 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 793 Johnna Teare wrote: > On 29 Aug 99, at 16:14, Gordon Wallis wrote: > > > > > > Was there ever a _better_ shooter, though? > > Space Invaders. On a later issue of Fred. By me ;-) Really? Which one? (I might actually have it) Arcade perfect, is it? Does it have the coloured strips? Eh? Eh?! (and before anyone asks why I didn't think of Chris Pile's excellent Defender conversion... I can't play it, it's too frustrating, but I love it anyway. Just like the arcade game :-) ) Gord. (amazed that an off-topic discussion suddenly became so very on-topic) -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 18:16:04 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA19131 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:16:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA19517 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:16:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49345-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:14:58 +0200 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.41]:49931 "EHLO finch-post-12.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49377-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:14:40 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11L7bK-00062N-0C for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:14:39 +0000 Message-ID: <0nRQoCAQwVy3Ewgg@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:13:04 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: <37C94E3B.315B@clara.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 588 Status: RO X-Lines: 24 In message , Johnna Teare writes > > >On 29 Aug 99, at 16:14, Gordon Wallis wrote: > > >> > >> Was there ever a _better_ shooter, though? > > >Space Invaders. On a later issue of Fred. By me ;-) Pah! James Curry's Dark Vortex was far better... And Diggory Gray produced a fair few fine shooters. Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 18:25:20 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA19560 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:25:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA20904 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:25:18 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49415-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:24:28 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:14087 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49345-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:24:12 +0200 Received: from [195.8.76.82] (helo=default) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11L7kY-0007jZ-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:24:11 +0100 Message-ID: <37C95E5C.4B9@clara.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:22:52 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: <37C94E3B.315B@clara.net> <0nRQoCAQwVy3Ewgg@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 610 Graham Goring wrote: > >> Was there ever a _better_ shooter, though? > > > > > >Space Invaders. On a later issue of Fred. By me ;-) > > Pah! James Curry's Dark Vortex was far better... And Diggory Gray > produced a fair few fine shooters. Wow. Guess I missed 'em all... Which was Dark Vortex? Gord. (perking up all of a sudden, with the mention of decent shoot-'em-ups) -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 18:33:14 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA20046 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:33:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA22188 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:33:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49415-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:32:28 +0200 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.38]:47108 "EHLO finch-post-10.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49345-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:32:07 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11L7sD-0001Rg-0A for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:32:06 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:30:45 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: <37C94E3B.315B@clara.net> <0nRQoCAQwVy3Ewgg@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> <37C95E5C.4B9@clara.net> In-Reply-To: <37C95E5C.4B9@clara.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 789 In message <37C95E5C.4B9@clara.net>, Gordon Wallis writes >Graham Goring wrote: >> >> Was there ever a _better_ shooter, though? >> > >> > >> >Space Invaders. On a later issue of Fred. By me ;-) >> >> Pah! James Curry's Dark Vortex was far better... And Diggory Gray >> produced a fair few fine shooters. > >Wow. Guess I missed 'em all... Which was Dark Vortex? Dark Vortex was on FRED 62, IIRC. Or was it 60? Um... Whichever one Wayne Coles did the menu for. NB. I was speaking to Wayne today, and he says he'll finish Kaboom! when there's a 32bit version of SIM Coupé to do it on... ;) Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 18:39:23 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA20153 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:39:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA23184 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:39:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49377-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:33:28 +0200 Received: from praseodumium.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.82]:33199 "EHLO praseodumium.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49345-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:33:17 +0200 Received: from host5-99-56-150.btinternet.com ([195.99.56.150] helo=btinternet.com) by praseodumium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11L7tD-00027x-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:33:08 +0100 Message-ID: <37C960B4.CFC6E232@btinternet.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:32:52 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: <37C958EE.1717@clara.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 231 > Arcade perfect, is it? Does it have the coloured strips? Eh? Eh?! Surely the coloured strips would be the easiest thing to get arcade perfect because of the ease of switching palette entries halfway down the screen? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 18:45:28 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA20789 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:45:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA24197 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:45:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49415-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:40:19 +0200 Received: from tantalum.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.80]:23247 "EHLO tantalum.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49517-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:39:37 +0200 Received: from [62.172.57.169] (helo=store.house) by tantalum.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11L7zQ-0002W6-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:39:32 +0100 Received: from toy.house [192.168.116.10] by store.house with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11L817-0004sc-00; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:41:17 +0100 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <0nRQoCAQwVy3Ewgg@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> References: <37C94E3B.315B@clara.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:37:51 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 799 >In message , >Johnna Teare writes >> >> >>On 29 Aug 99, at 16:14, Gordon Wallis wrote: >> >> >>> > >>> Was there ever a _better_ shooter, though? >> >> >>Space Invaders. On a later issue of Fred. By me ;-) > >Pah! James Curry's Dark Vortex was far better... And Diggory Gray >produced a fair few fine shooters. Talking about GamesMaster shooters, I was always rather impressed by DMZ's "FADE" (Fred 49). "Infection" wasn't bad, either (Fred 42). Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 18:54:14 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA21126 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:54:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA25822 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:54:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49170-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:52:19 +0200 Received: from rhenium.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.93]:4043 "EHLO rhenium.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49516-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:52:00 +0200 Received: from [195.99.51.2] (helo=chris) by rhenium.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11L8BL-0003yx-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:51:52 +0100 Message-ID: <001601bef23e$a3241e60$023363c3@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C2012989E4@cow.bacg.com> <7kLPOAALuUy3Ewx8@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> <37C94E3B.315B@clara.net> Subject: Web Masters beware Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:50:43 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 63 Status: RO X-Lines: 7 Just in case you peeps miss this http://burnallgifs.org/ C From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 18:54:14 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA21127 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:54:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA25825 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:54:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49538-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:53:08 +0200 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.81]:641 "EHLO tungsten.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49516-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:52:52 +0200 Received: from [195.99.51.2] (helo=chris) by tungsten.btinternet.com with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11L8CG-0007nT-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:52:48 +0100 Message-ID: <002001bef23e$c4f5f4a0$023363c3@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:51:40 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 220 Status: RO X-Lines: 16 > On 29 Aug 99, at 16:14, Gordon Wallis wrote: > > > > > > > Was there ever a _better_ shooter, though? > > > Space Invaders. On a later issue of Fred. By me ;-) And what was wrong with mine :) C ps ( only kidding) From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 19:03:22 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id TAA21766 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:03:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id TAA27332 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:03:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49509-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:56:58 +0200 Received: from mail12.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.215]:34144 "EHLO mail12.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49501-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:56:52 +0200 Received: from modem-18.mirtazapine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.80.18] helo=johnna-teare) by mail12.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11L8G0-0000C1-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:56:45 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:59:19 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) In-reply-to: <37C960B4.CFC6E232@btinternet.com> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 689 On 29 Aug 99, at 17:32, Thomas Harte wrote: > > Arcade perfect, is it? Does it have the coloured strips? Eh? Eh?! > > Surely the coloured strips would be the easiest thing to get arcade > perfect > because of the ease of switching palette entries halfway down the screen? > > -Thomas > It was written in SCADs and iirc it didn't like pallette lines much. The actual games wasn't very faitful to the original - more of a cheap botched attempt like eveything I've written - love developing ideas, but hate writing the damn games! Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 19:29:02 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id TAA22921 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:29:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id TAA01865 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:28:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49501-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:27:19 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:42500 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49516-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:27:07 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id SAA26396 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:27:04 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id SAA28170 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:26:59 +0100 (BST) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:26:57 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) Message-ID: <19990829182657.A28148@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <37C94E3B.315B@clara.net> <0nRQoCAQwVy3Ewgg@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> <37C95E5C.4B9@clara.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Graham Goring on Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 05:30:45PM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 229 On Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 05:30:45PM +0100, Graham Goring wrote: > NB. I was speaking to Wayne today, and he says he'll finish Kaboom! when > there's a 32bit version of SIM Coupé to do it on... ;) But it is 32-bit already... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 19:43:26 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id TAA23872 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:43:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id TAA04276 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:43:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49415-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:41:48 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:4363 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49170-22560> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:41:28 +0200 Received: from [195.8.88.219] (helo=du-029-0473.claranet.co.uk) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11L8xH-0009LL-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:41:24 +0100 From: nick@the-den.clara.net (Nick Humphries) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Web Masters beware Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:38:31 GMT Organization: Nick's Den Message-ID: <37c96fff.4757207@relay.clara.net> References: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C2012989E4@cow.bacg.com> <7kLPOAALuUy3Ewx8@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> <37C94E3B.315B@clara.net> <001601bef23e$a3241e60$023363c3@chris> In-Reply-To: <001601bef23e$a3241e60$023363c3@chris> X-Mailer: Forte Agent 1.5/32.451 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 15 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 559 On Sun, 29 Aug 1999 17:50:43 +0100 Sun, 29 Aug 99 18:29:21 BST, you wrote: >Just in case you peeps miss this > >http://burnallgifs.org/ Well, to use a vile Americanism - they can kiss my ass! -- ----------------------------------------------------------- ---- Nick Humphries - nick@the-den.clara.net ---- ----------------------------------------------------------- ------ The Your Sinclair Rock'n'Roll Years ------ ------- http://www.the-den.clara.net/ys/cover.htm ------- ----------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 20:37:30 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA26810 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:37:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA13643 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:37:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49501-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:36:30 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:193.117.244.182] ([IPv6:::ffff:193.117.244.182]:2572 "HELO www2.funmail.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49509-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:36:21 +0200 Received: (qmail 13022 invoked by uid 504); 29 Aug 1999 19:33:13 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO www2.funmail.co.uk) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 29 Aug 1999 19:33:13 -0000 Message-ID: <135503180.935955193229.JavaMail.root@localhost> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:33:13 +0000 (GMT) From: surfin_usm@absobloodylutely.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: 10th Birthday Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Funmail-UID: 183619 X-Senders-IP: unknown X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 513 >From : Gouranga@aol.com To : Andrew Collier ; sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no >re: SAM's birthday. >Like everyone else, I'm not sure when Format will be back to its usual self, but if nothing else >is organised, we should definitely arrange something for SAM's 10th birthday. Any ideas? Party!!!!! Party!!!!!!!!!!! P-A-R-T-Y!!!!!! I think that should do. ::adie-usm:: -- "like Hotmail but faster and a lot better" Carol Vorderman, The Mirror, writing about http://www.funmail.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 20:41:27 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA27074 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:41:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA14312 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:41:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49535-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:40:31 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:193.117.244.182] ([IPv6:::ffff:193.117.244.182]:45581 "HELO www2.funmail.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49517-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:40:19 +0200 Received: (qmail 13075 invoked by uid 504); 29 Aug 1999 19:37:12 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO www2.funmail.co.uk) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 29 Aug 1999 19:37:12 -0000 Message-ID: <137964089.935955432618.JavaMail.root@localhost> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:37:12 +0000 (GMT) From: surfin_usm@absobloodylutely.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam Printer Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Funmail-UID: 183619 X-Senders-IP: unknown X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 289 >From : Johnna Teare To : sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date : 27 August 1999 15:01:39 Subject : Re: Sam Printer >> adie-usm > >Carter fan? You could say that. :) ::adie-usm:: -- Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmale.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 20:58:09 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA27878 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:58:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA17252 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:58:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49538-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:57:22 +0200 Received: from [IPv6:::ffff:193.117.244.182] ([IPv6:::ffff:193.117.244.182]:63239 "HELO www2.funmail.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49501-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 20:57:16 +0200 Received: (qmail 13455 invoked by uid 504); 29 Aug 1999 19:54:08 -0000 Received: from localhost (HELO www2.funmail.co.uk) (127.0.0.1) by localhost with SMTP; 29 Aug 1999 19:54:08 -0000 Message-ID: <136408295.935956448253.JavaMail.root@localhost> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:54:08 +0000 (GMT) From: surfin_usm@absobloodylutely.co.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Funmail-UID: 183619 X-Senders-IP: unknown X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 29 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 520 -----Original Message----- >From : Chris White To : sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date : 29 August 1999 16:51:40 Subject : Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) >> > Was there ever a _better_ shooter, though? >> >> >> Space Invaders. On a later issue of Fred. By me ;-) > >And what was wrong with mine :) The only thing I remember about Sam games is that there were about 48863 crap puzzle games. ::adie-usm:: -- Get Your Private, Free Email at http://www.hotmale.co.uk From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 22:25:29 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA02891 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:25:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA03899 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:25:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49610-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:24:11 +0200 Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.20]:53542 "EHLO mail5.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49605-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:23:57 +0200 Received: from modem-26.mirtazapine.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.80.26] helo=johnna-teare) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LBUY-00004u-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:23:54 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:27:03 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) In-reply-to: <002001bef23e$c4f5f4a0$023363c3@chris> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 546 On 29 Aug 99, at 17:51, Chris White wrote: > > On 29 Aug 99, at 16:14, Gordon Wallis wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Was there ever a _better_ shooter, though? > > > > > > Space Invaders. On a later issue of Fred. By me ;-) > > And what was wrong with mine :) I could never get it running (never had a compiler...) Still, the graphics looked nice... ;-) > > C > > ps ( only kidding) > > > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 22:52:12 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA04318 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:52:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA09213 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:52:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49581-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:51:12 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:52587 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49605-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:51:01 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (unknown [212.1.135.88]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 71689639C8 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:50:35 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37C979EB.848E65A0@bonbon.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:20:27 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1359 Johnna Teare wrote: > > On 29 Aug 99, at 17:32, Thomas Harte wrote: > > > > Arcade perfect, is it? Does it have the coloured strips? Eh? Eh?! > > > > Surely the coloured strips would be the easiest thing to get arcade > > perfect > > because of the ease of switching palette entries halfway down the screen? > > > > -Thomas > > > > It was written in SCADs and iirc it didn't like pallette lines much. The > actual games wasn't very faitful to the original - more of a cheap > botched attempt like eveything I've written - love developing ideas, > but hate writing the damn games! Hehe,... SCADS eh? Ahh, them were the days :)... I was always a bit peeved with Jupiter Software over that - I wrote a game & sent it to them, then they sent it back running about twice the speed. Despite my constant nudging they just wouldn't tell me how they'd done it, beyond the slightly vague "tweaking"... hmph. If only they'd brought out the SCADS compiler (i.e. if only they'd written it)... it woulda been alright... Well, apart from its problems will pallete lines, background screen images, scrolling (of any kind), music (...etc.) Hehe... I'm getting all reminiscent, I might even dig out my "Big Box" of stuff that I wrote.... Does it work on SimCoupe? (SCADS that is) Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.nX-Mozilla-Status: 0009L/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 23:01:53 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA04953 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:01:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA10917 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:01:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49661-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:53:31 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:5484 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49644-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:53:25 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (unknown [212.1.135.88]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 46080639C8 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:53:15 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37C99DA7.568F09A2@bonbon.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 21:52:55 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1357 Johnna Teare wrote: > > On 29 Aug 99, at 17:32, Thomas Harte wrote: > > > > Arcade perfect, is it? Does it have the coloured strips? Eh? Eh?! > > > > Surely the coloured strips would be the easiest thing to get arcade > > perfect > > because of the ease of switching palette entries halfway down the screen? > > > > -Thomas > > > > It was written in SCADs and iirc it didn't like pallette lines much. The > actual games wasn't very faitful to the original - more of a cheap > botched attempt like eveything I've written - love developing ideas, > but hate writing the damn games! Hehe,... SCADS eh? Ahh, them were the days :)... I was always a bit peeved with Jupiter Software over that - I wrote a game & sent it to them, then they sent it back running about twice the speed. Despite my constant nudging they just wouldn't tell me how they'd done it, beyond the slightly vague "tweaking"... hmph. If only they'd brought out the SCADS compiler (i.e. if only they'd written it)... it woulda been alright... Well, apart from its problems will pallete lines, background screen images, scrolling (of any kind), music (...etc.) Hehe... I'm getting all reminiscent, I might even dig out my "Big Box" of stuff that I wrote.... Does it work on SimCoupe? (SCADS that is) Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.nX-X-Mozilla-Status: 0009CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sun Aug 29 23:16:48 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA05793 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:16:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA13621 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:16:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49644-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:16:01 +0200 Received: from carbon.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.92]:14218 "EHLO carbon.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49605-22560>; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:15:50 +0200 Received: from host5-171-231-242.btinternet.com ([195.171.231.242] helo=btinternet.com) by carbon.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11LCIi-0005HO-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:15:45 +0100 Message-ID: <37C9A2E1.56F3EE82@btinternet.com> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:15:13 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: <37C99DA7.568F09A2@bonbon.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 265 > Hehe,... SCADS eh? Ahh, them were the days :)... I was always a bit Hey, if you have SCADS, any chance of uploading a DSK file to nvg to replace the td0? I'm one of the many people who can't use teledisk any more, but I'd really like to see SCADS. -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 00:14:26 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA08883 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:14:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA23731 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:14:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49673-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:13:23 +0200 Received: from mail1.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.18]:50444 "EHLO mail1.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49661-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:13:06 +0200 Received: from modem-100.tyrloses.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.131.228] helo=johnna-teare) by mail1.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LDCC-0003mm-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:13:04 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:16:13 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) In-reply-to: <37C979EB.848E65A0@bonbon.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 28 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 658 On 29 Aug 99, at 19:20, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Hehe... I'm getting all reminiscent, I might even dig out my "Big Box" of > stuff that I wrote.... Does it work on SimCoupe? (SCADS that is) Think you might have problems programming in it - but the games seem to run. The actual designer - where you do all the graphics and bits - erquired a -key disk- or soemthing so disk images might not work. > > Fitz > > -- > Email: poohsticks@bonbon.nX-Mozilla-Status: 0009L/CServeIM: Flupert > > > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 00:46:54 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA01135 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:46:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA28871 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:46:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49682-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:38:43 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:58488 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49681-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:38:24 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-2-168.cvx6.telinco.net [212.1.154.168]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E7E90639C8 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:38:12 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37C9B642.62A159D@bonbon.net> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 23:37:54 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: <37C99DA7.568F09A2@bonbon.net> <37C9A2E1.56F3EE82@btinternet.com> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 706 Thomas Harte wrote: > > > Hehe,... SCADS eh? Ahh, them were the days :)... I was always a bit > > Hey, if you have SCADS, any chance of uploading a DSK file to nvg to replace > the td0? I'm one of the many people who can't use teledisk any more, but I'd > really like to see SCADS. Yeh, I can do that... But as you mention in the other mail, if it needs the key disk thingy it might not work. Depends on how it does it I guess.... Anyone have any idea about this? Will it work thru a DSK image? Hmm... Who knows. I guess I can just try it out with the disk and see what I see. In fact I'll do it now. Martin Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 00:49:46 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA01248 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:49:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA29335 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:49:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49688-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:48:25 +0200 Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.120.62]:10630 "EHLO snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49685-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:48:18 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip31.seattle14.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.97.31]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA03424 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:48:15 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000101bef270$93ddd400$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: <135503180.935955193229.JavaMail.root@localhost> Subject: Re: 10th Birthday Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:42:36 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 723 From: > Party!!!!! Party!!!!!!!!!!! P-A-R-T-Y!!!!!! > I think that should do. Yay! I might actually get to talk to adie! :) When I finally wend my way back to the UK, we all have to get together and have a massive party or else. I need my dose of SAM community :) We all need to get horribly drunk. > "like Hotmail but faster and a lot better" > Carol Vorderman, The Mirror, writing about http://www.funmail.co.uk "like Maggie Philbin but more annoying and a lot tartier" Simon Cooke, SAM Users, writing about Carol Vorderman ;) By the way -- everyone? -- if you ever want to come over to Seattle and spend some time out here, my spare room is always open! Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 00:49:47 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA01249 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:49:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA29338 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:49:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49685-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:48:26 +0200 Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.120.62]:64645 "EHLO snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49680-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:48:17 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip31.seattle14.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.97.31]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id PAA03400 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 15:48:14 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <000001bef270$92d14600$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: References: Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 13:37:51 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 447 From: Andrew Collier > No, I'm pretty sure it really was a terrible game. > > But I don't think it was Sam's worst ever game.... for my money, that > "honor" goes to... > > Parallax. > > Controversial? Ahaaaa... the only piece of SAM software I ever released with a bug in it :) Not that most people could be bothered getting to the level which didn't load... :) Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 01:04:21 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA02118 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:04:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA01450 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:04:19 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49673-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:03:45 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:12924 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49681-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:03:18 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-1-177.cvx5.telinco.net [212.1.149.177]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id B077B639F2 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:03:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37C9BC19.D4B090B3@bonbon.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:02:49 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 38 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1357 Johnna Teare wrote: > > On 29 Aug 99, at 17:32, Thomas Harte wrote: > > > > Arcade perfect, is it? Does it have the coloured strips? Eh? Eh?! > > > > Surely the coloured strips would be the easiest thing to get arcade > > perfect > > because of the ease of switching palette entries halfway down the screen? > > > > -Thomas > > > > It was written in SCADs and iirc it didn't like pallette lines much. The > actual games wasn't very faitful to the original - more of a cheap > botched attempt like eveything I've written - love developing ideas, > but hate writing the damn games! Hehe,... SCADS eh? Ahh, them were the days :)... I was always a bit peeved with Jupiter Software over that - I wrote a game & sent it to them, then they sent it back running about twice the speed. Despite my constant nudging they just wouldn't tell me how they'd done it, beyond the slightly vague "tweaking"... hmph. If only they'd brought out the SCADS compiler (i.e. if only they'd written it)... it woulda been alright... Well, apart from its problems will pallete lines, background screen images, scrolling (of any kind), music (...etc.) Hehe... I'm getting all reminiscent, I might even dig out my "Big Box" of stuff that I wrote.... Does it work on SimCoupe? (SCADS that is) Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.nX-X-Mozilla-Status: 0009CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 01:07:43 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA02237 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:07:42 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA01925 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:07:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49686-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:06:15 +0200 Received: from server1.screaming.net ([IPv6:::ffff:212.49.224.2]:20568 "EHLO server1.screaming.net" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49682-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:06:05 +0200 Received: from ukonline.co.uk ([212.49.245.195]) by server1.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA09272 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:21:59 +0100 Message-ID: <37C9BC78.375FD941@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:04:24 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: <000001bef270$92d14600$64a5fea9@simcooke3> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 441 Has anyone mentioned EFTPOTRM yet? It may have looked good but the game had no playability. Also Sam Elite was a rip off. Mind you I'm not totally aware of all Sam games. I never ever saw Lemmings running on the Sam. I think best game in my opinion has to be Prince of Persia although graphically it wasn't that great. Defenders of the Earth or Sphera were much prettier. I'd still love to see a proper Coupe enhanced version of Elite. 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This has been a public service announcement. -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 01:16:36 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA02877 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:16:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA03219 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:16:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49686-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:15:43 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:4359 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49673-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:15:22 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA04428 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:15:20 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id AAA28884 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:15:15 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:15:14 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) Message-ID: <19990830001514.B28783@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <37C9BC19.D4B090B3@bonbon.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <37C9BC19.D4B090B3@bonbon.net>; from Martin Fitzpatrick on Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 12:02:49AM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 235 On Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 12:02:49AM +0100, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > Hehe,... SCADS eh? Ahh, them were the days :)... I was always a bit > peeved with Jupiter Software over that [SNIP] Er, I seem to be experiencing déjà vu... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 01:22:27 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA03205 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:22:25 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA04009 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:22:24 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49686-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:21:35 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:36989 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49673-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:21:21 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-1-177.cvx5.telinco.net [212.1.149.177]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 55D2C639E0 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:21:07 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37C9C04F.9E247B9D@bonbon.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:20:47 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: <37C9BC19.D4B090B3@bonbon.net> <19990830001514.B28783@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 27 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 784 Ian Collier wrote: > > On Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 12:02:49AM +0100, Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Hehe,... SCADS eh? Ahh, them were the days :)... I was always a bit > > peeved with Jupiter Software over that [SNIP] > > Er, I seem to be experiencing déjà vu... > > imc Yay.... true. Netscape's gone mad. It gets exception errors every time I try and Sync newsgroups & then forgets how many emails are in folders. Then, to top it off, when I try and send a bunch of emails I acts like its sending but then doesn't remove them from the outbox. So I think "umm mustn't have gone", so I resend (same happens), so I resend individually and it works :) Sorry if you thought you were going weird, Martin Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 01:29:15 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA03311 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:29:14 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA05031 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:29:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49697-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:22:53 +0200 Received: from snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net ([IPv6:::ffff:207.217.120.62]:55776 "EHLO snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49695-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:22:32 +0200 Received: from simcooke3 (ip31.seattle14.wa.pub-ip.psi.net [38.28.97.31]) by snipe.prod.itd.earthlink.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id QAA10747 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:22:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <003701bef275$59b852a0$64a5fea9@simcooke3> From: "Simon Cooke" To: "samusers" Subject: Dave L Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 16:22:22 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2615.200 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2615.200 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 281 If anyone's in touch with Dave Ledbury, can you tell him that his mailserver won't accept my emails for some weird and not entirely understood reason; it's the received header which is screwing it up, so there may be a gateway somewhere down the line getting in the way :( Simon From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 01:31:45 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA03797 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:31:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA05442 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:31:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49697-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:31:04 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:12670 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49686-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:30:50 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-1-177.cvx5.telinco.net [212.1.149.177]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8F11763A03 for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 19:30:37 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37C9C28A.F4BD8CE@bonbon.net> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:30:18 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Sam Users Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1648 Martin Fitzpatrick wrote: > > Thomas Harte wrote: > > > > > Hehe,... SCADS eh? Ahh, them were the days :)... I was always a bit > > > > Hey, if you have SCADS, any chance of uploading a DSK file to nvg to replace > > the td0? I'm one of the many people who can't use teledisk any more, but I'd > > really like to see SCADS. > > Yeh, I can do that... But as you mention in the other mail, if it needs > the key disk thingy it might not work. Depends on how it does it I > guess.... Anyone have any idea about this? Will it work thru a DSK > image? Hmm... Who knows. I guess I can just try it out with the disk > and see what I see. In fact I'll do it now. > Well, I've tried, and failed :(. I ran it through my own little dsk program which handles dodgy sectors (I'll get around to uploading it one day), but despite the fact that the sectors that are dodgy are all at the end (only 16 in total!) the disk is naffed. It will get a directory ok and some things load, but apart from that its dodgy - end of file problems & somtimes just hanging the compiler. If I get my Sam out off its shelf in the near future I'll try and make a copy of the disk on that & then run it through the DSK thing (the same always seems a bit more resilient to [ignorant of?] dodgy disks that PC's for some reason). The problem with the backup is that the protection will most definately be uncatered for. Hmm. I tried some of my old games too (the ones I wrote with SCADS), but alas, all the disks seem to have been got by the MagnetoMonster... ohh well :os Martin Fitz. -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 01:37:10 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA03905 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:37:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA06371 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:37:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49707-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:35:34 +0200 Received: from server1.screaming.net ([IPv6:::ffff:212.49.224.2]:2081 "EHLO server1.screaming.net" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49702-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:35:25 +0200 Received: from ukonline.co.uk ([212.49.245.195]) by server1.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id AAA14685 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:51:27 +0100 Message-ID: <37C9C366.3EF6E6C6@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:33:59 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: <37C9BC19.D4B090B3@bonbon.net> <19990830001514.B28783@comlab.ox.ac.uk> <37C9C04F.9E247B9D@bonbon.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 645 > > > Yay.... true. Netscape's gone mad. It gets exception errors every time > I try and Sync newsgroups & then forgets how many emails are in > folders. Then, to top it off, when I try and send a bunch of emails I > acts like its sending but then doesn't remove them from the outbox. So > I think "umm mustn't have gone", so I resend (same happens), so I resend > individually and it works :) > SNAP! I had exactly the same problem back along, this must be quite a common problem with Netscape. > > Sorry if you thought you were going weird, > > Martin Fitz > > -- > Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net > ICQ#: 11077801 > AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 01:43:09 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA04284 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:43:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA07295 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:43:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49700-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:42:23 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:20231 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49697-22560>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 01:42:16 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id AAA10570 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:42:14 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id AAA28929 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:42:11 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 00:42:11 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: SAM Mailing List Subject: Re: Graphic Modes Stuff Message-ID: <19990830004210.C28783@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: SAM Mailing List References: <37C6CAE4.B16F768A@btinternet.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <37C6CAE4.B16F768A@btinternet.com>; from Thomas Harte on Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 06:29:08PM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1435 On Fri, Aug 27, 1999 at 06:29:08PM +0100, Thomas Harte wrote: > First : are there any speed differences between the graphics modes? I > understand that Mode 1 is slowed down deliberately to loosely approximate a ZX > Spectrum, but are there any other differences in other graphics modes? Not really. Apparently the difference between mode 1 and any other mode is that the memory is contended as if all 312 lines were screen lines instead of there being 120 off-screen lines and 192 on-screen ones. > Third : is whichever page of memory which doesn't contain any of the screen > still contended? Am I right in thinking that the only effect of contention is > to frequently round t-states up to the nearest 4? No. :-) All 32 RAM pages are contended whichever one the screen happens to be in. ROM and external RAM packs are not contended. If the screen is turned off then the CPU has to wait until the next multiple of 4 T-states for any memory access in an affected RAM page. This often has the effect of rounding the instruction timing up to the next multiple of 4. If the screen is on then for 256 out of the 384 pixels on a line for 192 of the 312 lines it works in multiples of 8 instead of 4. This doubles the time for memory-intensive operations; some instructions take less than double. "INC HL" is a rare example of an instruction that takes the same amount of time (8 cycles) whether or not the screen is active. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 05:51:29 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id FAA19159 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 05:51:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id FAA27657 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 05:51:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49193-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 05:49:51 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:51211 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49194-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 05:49:37 +0200 Received: from man-ppp-a231.networksplus.net ([198.243.69.231]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:51:32 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 22:49:08 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: 10th Birthday In-reply-to: <000101bef270$93ddd400$64a5fea9@simcooke3> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990830034946Z49194-22095+17@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 299 > By the way -- everyone? -- if you ever want to come over to Seattle and > spend some time out here, my spare room is always open! > > Simon You shouldn't say things like that when I'm in the same country, you know? ;) -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 11:05:12 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA08240 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:05:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA08156 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:05:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49355-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:04:01 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:48913 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49313-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:03:52 +0200 Received: from [195.8.88.128] (helo=persona) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LNLy-000MwC-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:03:51 +0100 Message-ID: <008201bef2be$13af0da0$805808c3@persona> From: "Me" To: Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 09:02:58 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 6 test From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 11:40:55 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA10345 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:40:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA04452 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:40:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49411-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:39:15 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:42762 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49355-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:38:57 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA15131 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:38:55 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id KAA29347 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:38:49 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 10:38:48 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: your mail Message-ID: <19990830103848.A29254@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <008201bef2be$13af0da0$805808c3@persona> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <008201bef2be$13af0da0$805808c3@persona>; from Me on Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 09:02:58AM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 6 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 117 On Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 09:02:58AM +0100, Me wrote: > test Er, yes. Thank you for that fascinating insight... imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 13:41:02 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA17793 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:40:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA22682 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:40:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49638-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:39:45 +0200 Received: from aisle.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.167]:11925 "EHLO aisle.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49728-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 13:39:40 +0200 Received: from [212.140.68.170] (helo=physics.org) by aisle.tesco.net with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11LPmi-0002ZU-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 12:39:37 +0100 Message-ID: <37C96CDA.B7C04438@physics.org> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 1999 18:24:43 +0100 From: Diggory Gray X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 (Macintosh; I; PPC) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: <37C94E3B.315B@clara.net> <0nRQoCAQwVy3Ewgg@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> <37C95E5C.4B9@clara.net> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1179 Gordon Wallis wrote: > > Graham Goring wrote: > > >> Was there ever a _better_ shooter, though? > > > > > > > > >Space Invaders. On a later issue of Fred. By me ;-) > > > > Pah! James Curry's Dark Vortex was far better... And Diggory Gray > > produced a fair few fine shooters. Love shooting computer sprites :) > Wow. Guess I missed 'em all... Which was Dark Vortex? Nice game that was.. Had groovy power ups I believe. > Gord. (perking up all of a sudden, with the mention of decent > shoot-'em-ups) I cannot play SAM shoot'ems with any sound -sigh- (Unless SIMcoupe for MACOS has been updated?) Maybe I should write some more - don't hold your breath though ;) Actually, I've been caught (sorry off topic here) by an excellent game in the Mac called Escape Velocity Override. Rather like Elite - but 2D instead. I remember "Rain", but I can't remember the other ones I sent to FRED. I started so many games & didn't finish most :-/ PS. I love Veg. Vacation! Played the demo for hours... :) Digs -- /\ /\ "Write your plans in pencil, / \_/ \ but give God the eraser." / . . \EOW CAT Y http://homepages.tesco.net/~Diggory/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 20:00:02 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA10595 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:00:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id TAA19414 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:59:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49762-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:57:56 +0200 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.214]:21024 "EHLO mail10.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49771-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:57:41 +0200 Received: from modem-77.risperdal.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.86.205] helo=johnna-teare) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LVgY-0002jp-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 18:57:39 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:01:00 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Anybody know who Anonymity Smith was? X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 548 Who was Anonymity Smith? The bloke (i am assuming it was a bloke) who wrote those spoof sci-fi stories on Fred from years back?  If it's anyone on teh list...get in touch coz I'm after stuff like that for my new cult tv magazine. And don't forget, if you fancy writing a bit - get in touch. I'll be sending out full information at the end of the week to anybody who has shown an interest. l8r Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 20:09:09 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA11255 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:09:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA23332 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:09:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49783-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:02:09 +0200 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.211]:12370 "EHLO mail4.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49774-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:01:51 +0200 Received: from modem-8.mallet.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.112.136] helo=sadsnail) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LVkb-0008JT-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:01:50 +0100 Message-ID: <018a01bef311$b90d4200$8870883e@sadsnail> From: "Tim" To: "sam-users" Subject: Sam's Birthday Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:01:22 +0100 Organization: Sad Snail Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 12 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 394 My suggestion would just be to all meet up in the pub opposite Quedgely village hall, making sure we all wear a black arm band to keep Graham happy. Admittedly I'm biased due to living in Cheltenham, but since it's been the traditional home of the shows it seems an apt place to hold it. Or else Swansea. Hmmm. Of course, someone else could try and hire the hall out for the day. ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 20:09:09 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA11252 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:09:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA23326 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:09:07 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49785-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:02:07 +0200 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.211]:12626 "EHLO mail4.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49783-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:01:52 +0200 Received: from modem-8.mallet.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.112.136] helo=sadsnail) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LVkd-0008JT-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:01:51 +0100 Message-ID: <018b01bef311$b9bcbbe0$8870883e@sadsnail> From: "Tim" To: "sam-users" References: <000101beec88$8b0f5da0$c7488cd4@default> <37BFD1B3.AC5ADA95@ukonline.co.uk> Subject: Re: SAM COUPE PRINTER. Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:01:27 +0100 Organization: Sad Snail Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 23 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 927 From: Martin Wilson > > Why did'nt MGT put the bl***y thing inside instead of a whacking great lump > > out the back. > > I recon things like this put other maybe Sam users off. > > > Yeah I agree totally. I've always said this. Personally I think not > having a standard printer interface of any kind parallel or serial made > the Coupe a rather eccentric design. I mean since the Spectrum 128 there > has been serial and from the plus 3 onwards there was parallel but the > Coupe made it an option yet fitted other less important connections. The > Coupe is probably the last home computer not to have serial/parallel > until the imac came along. Wasn't it something like that the Sam was partially funded with a development grant, and the people who gave out the grant pushed for things like the Midi sockets to be included? That could be completely wrong, dodgy memory and all that. ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 20:09:10 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA11257 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:09:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA23342 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:09:08 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49774-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:02:10 +0200 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.211]:11346 "EHLO mail4.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49771-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:01:50 +0200 Received: from modem-8.mallet.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.112.136] helo=sadsnail) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LVka-0008JT-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:01:49 +0100 Message-ID: <018901bef311$b854a060$8870883e@sadsnail> From: "Tim" To: References: <000c01bef1ce$1b0015e0$c014ac3e@default> Subject: Re: Announce - Outwrite Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:01:07 +0100 Organization: Sad Snail Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 162 From: Andrew Collier > Outwrite 2.0 by Robert Wilkinson is now available to be downloaded from: has it been uploaded to nvg as well? ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 20:20:06 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA11967 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:20:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA27982 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:20:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49771-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:17:38 +0200 Received: from firewall.armature.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.128.255.225]:5498 "EHLO cow.bacg.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49656-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:17:22 +0200 Received: by cow.bacg.com with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:07:36 +0100 Message-ID: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C2012989E9@cow.bacg.com> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dan_Door=E9?= To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Sam's Birthday Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:07:36 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 13 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 390 > My suggestion would just be to all meet up in the pub > opposite Quedgely village hall, making sure we all wear a > black arm band to keep Graham happy. Is that the Basket Weaver or the evil Wacky Warehouse? > Hmmm. Of course, someone else could try and hire the hall > out for the day. Why bother - we'd only do what we usually do and spend twice as much time in the pub ;-) Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 20:36:56 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA12932 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:36:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA04549 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:36:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49743-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:34:36 +0200 Received: from mail4.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.211]:22340 "EHLO mail4.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49656-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:34:29 +0200 Received: from modem-8.mallet.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.112.136] helo=sadsnail) by mail4.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LWGB-0007i1-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:34:27 +0100 Message-ID: <01fd01bef316$47bdbe40$8870883e@sadsnail> From: "Tim" To: "sam-users" References: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C2012989E9@cow.bacg.com> Subject: Re: Sam's Birthday Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:34:20 +0100 Organization: Sad Snail Productions MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 36 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 994 ----- Original Message ----- From: Dan Dooré > > My suggestion would just be to all meet up in the pub > > opposite Quedgely village hall, making sure we all wear a > > black arm band to keep Graham happy. > Is that the Basket Weaver or the evil Wacky Warehouse? I guess the weaver is more traditional, although wasn't it going to shut? Or was that a rumour. The wacky warehouse is bigger, does black pudding, and has the kids bit (although we may be a bit big to overrun it). As long as everyone knows which that'll be fine. Hold on. Everyone will just argue and we'll end up with 2 parties one in each pub ;-) > > Hmmm. Of course, someone else could try and hire the hall > > out for the day. > Why bother - we'd only do what we usually do and spend twice as much time in > the pub ;-) True, although it'd be ince to see same sams. What the hell, everyone can come back to mine(*) for afters and I'll boot up EGGBuM ;-) <* for reasons of space ROAR > ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 21:31:05 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA16143 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:31:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA26367 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:31:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49782-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:29:19 +0200 Received: from mail10.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.214]:35937 "EHLO mail10.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49762-22095> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:29:02 +0200 Received: from modem-100.titanium.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.10.228] helo=johnna-teare) by mail10.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LX6x-0004Gd-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:29:00 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:32:28 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 8BIT Subject: Re: Sam's Birthday In-reply-to: <01fd01bef316$47bdbe40$8870883e@sadsnail> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 32 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="ISO-8859-1" Content-Length: 1029 On 30 Aug 99, at 19:34, Tim wrote: > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Dan Dooré > > > My suggestion would just be to all meet up in the pub > > > opposite Quedgely village hall, making sure we all wear a > > > black arm band to keep Graham happy. > > Is that the Basket Weaver or the evil Wacky Warehouse? > > I guess the weaver is more traditional, although wasn't it going to shut? > Or was that a rumour. > > The wacky warehouse is bigger, does black pudding, and has the kids bit > (although we may be a bit big to overrun it). > > As long as everyone knows which that'll be fine. > > Hold on. Everyone will just argue and we'll end up with 2 parties one in > each pub ;-) And remember when we get their to keep things strictly 'on topic' or there'll be a mass exodus to another pub for the people who want to discuss asics and stuff... ;-) Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 21:41:38 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA16626 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:41:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA00371 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:41:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49788-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:40:17 +0200 Received: from server0.screaming.net ([IPv6:::ffff:212.49.224.1]:51834 "EHLO server0.screaming.net" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49762-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:39:55 +0200 Received: from ukonline.co.uk (dyn180-ras12.screaming.net [212.49.235.180]) by server0.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id UAA20369 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:55:15 +0100 Message-ID: <37CADE84.87FBB5B1@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:41:56 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's Birthday References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 264 How about we make costumes of that sam coupe robot mascot thing and all wear them on a trip to holland. Then we all head for the red light district and indulge ourselves in wierd sexual acts while still wearing the costumes. Well its an idea to put into the mix. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 21:54:58 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA17345 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:54:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA06232 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:54:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49793-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:52:28 +0200 Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.20]:26690 "EHLO mail5.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49791-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:52:05 +0200 Received: from modem-36.nabumatone.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.81.36] helo=johnna-teare) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LXTG-0002UB-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:52:03 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 20:55:32 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sam's Birthday In-reply-to: <37CADE84.87FBB5B1@ukonline.co.uk> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 669 On 30 Aug 99, at 20:41, Martin Wilson wrote: > > How about we make costumes of that sam coupe robot mascot thing and all > wear them on a trip to holland. Then we all head for the red light > district and indulge ourselves in wierd sexual acts while still wearing > the costumes. Well its an idea to put into the mix. > Or we could re-enact some scenes from the users manual. Bagsy I do the one with SAM being blown off his chair by the sheer excitement he gets when playing a sam game. Vegetable Vacation I bet. Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 22:02:55 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA17885 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:02:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA09014 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:02:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49790-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:01:48 +0200 Received: from server1.screaming.net ([IPv6:::ffff:212.49.224.2]:33056 "EHLO server1.screaming.net" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49762-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:01:30 +0200 Received: from ukonline.co.uk (dyn180-ras12.screaming.net [212.49.235.180]) by server1.screaming.net (8.9.3/8.9.3) with ESMTP id VAA14722 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:17:48 +0100 Message-ID: <37CAE39A.30841351@ukonline.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:03:38 +0100 From: Martin Wilson X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's Birthday References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 26 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 906 Johnna Teare wrote: > > On 30 Aug 99, at 20:41, Martin Wilson wrote: > > > > > How about we make costumes of that sam coupe robot mascot thing and all > > wear them on a trip to holland. Then we all head for the red light > > district and indulge ourselves in wierd sexual acts while still wearing > > the costumes. Well its an idea to put into the mix. > > > Or we could re-enact some scenes from the users manual. Bagsy > I do the one with SAM being blown off his chair by the sheer > excitement he gets when playing a sam game. Vegetable Vacation > I bet. That Vegatable Vacation must be one hell of a exciting game! Talking of vegetables my quake deathmatch name is 'Timmy Turnip' blast the hell out of me at quake.demon.co.uk port 26000 > > Peace, Love and Kisses, > JohnnaPig Teare > http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk > "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 22:10:55 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA18322 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:10:54 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA12015 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:10:53 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49797-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:09:39 +0200 Received: from neodymium.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.83]:23943 "EHLO neodymium.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49762-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:09:29 +0200 Received: from [212.140.3.146] (helo=store.house) by neodymium.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11LXk3-00043B-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:09:24 +0100 Received: from toy.house [192.168.116.10] by store.house with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11LXlu-0006xk-00; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:11:18 +0100 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:08:47 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Anybody know who Anonymity Smith was? X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 544 >Who was Anonymity Smith? The bloke (i am assuming it was a >bloke) who wrote those spoof sci-fi stories on Fred from years >back? I know who it was, but I think it would spoil the fun to tell you :) He wrote under a few other psuedonyms too, but no - it wasn't Bob Brenchley. Andrew (It wasn't me, either...) -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 22:19:12 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA18743 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:19:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA15321 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:19:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49771-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:17:57 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:21519 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49611-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:17:40 +0200 Received: from [195.8.88.253] (helo=du-029-0507.claranet.co.uk) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LXs2-000And-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:17:39 +0100 From: sparicus999@bigfoot.com (Me) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Anybody know who Anonymity Smith was? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:16:46 GMT Message-ID: <37cad795.3008691@mail.clara.net> X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 500 Status: RO X-Lines: 17 >Who was Anonymity Smith? The bloke (i am assuming it was a >bloke) who wrote those spoof sci-fi stories on Fred from years >back? > >If it's anyone on teh list...get in touch coz I'm after stuff like that for >my new cult tv magazine. Probably just whoever was current ed at the time. >And don't forget, if you fancy writing a bit - get in touch. I'll be >sending out full information at the end of the week to anybody who >has shown an interest. can u give more info on this magazine? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 22:24:45 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA19084 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:24:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA17601 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:24:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49611-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:19:59 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:62479 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49782-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:19:49 +0200 Received: from [195.8.88.253] (helo=du-029-0507.claranet.co.uk) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LXu8-000AqT-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:19:48 +0100 From: sparicus999@bigfoot.com (Me) To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Anybody know who Anonymity Smith was? Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:18:56 GMT Message-ID: <37cad8d5.3329204@mail.clara.net> X-Mailer: Forte Free Agent 1.11/32.235 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 176 Status: RO X-Lines: 6 >I know who it was, but I think it would spoil the fun to tell you :) >He wrote under a few other psuedonyms too, but no - it wasn't Bob Brenchley. Wasnt it graham whatsit? From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Mon Aug 30 23:59:06 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA24297 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:59:05 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA22319 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:59:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49774-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:57:56 +0200 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.81]:57341 "EHLO tungsten.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49611-22095>; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:57:41 +0200 Received: from [62.6.0.13] (helo=store.house) by tungsten.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11LZQn-0006Nc-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:57:37 +0100 Received: from toy.house [192.168.116.10] by store.house with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1 (Debian)) id 11LYUq-00076J-01; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:57:44 +0100 X-Sender: asc25@pop3.house Message-Id: In-Reply-To: <018901bef311$b854a060$8870883e@sadsnail> References: <000c01bef1ce$1b0015e0$c014ac3e@default> Mime-Version: 1.0 Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 21:55:09 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Andrew Collier Subject: Re: Announce - Outwrite X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 446 >From: Andrew Collier >> Outwrite 2.0 by Robert Wilkinson is now available to be downloaded from: > >has it been uploaded to nvg as well? I consider that to be Robert's decision, not mine. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 00:16:53 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA25577 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:16:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA28247 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:16:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49611-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:15:58 +0200 Received: from mail5.svr.pol.co.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:195.92.193.20]:9532 "EHLO mail5.svr.pol.co.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49788-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:15:44 +0200 Received: from modem-63.buproprione.dialup.pol.co.uk ([62.136.55.191] helo=johnna-teare) by mail5.svr.pol.co.uk with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LZiI-0000a1-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:15:42 +0100 From: "Johnna Teare" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:18:41 -0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Anybody know who Anonymity Smith was? In-reply-to: <37cad8d5.3329204@mail.clara.net> X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Win32 (v3.11) Message-Id: X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 598 On 30 Aug 99, at 19:18, Me wrote: > >I know who it was, but I think it would spoil the fun to tell you :) > > >He wrote under a few other psuedonyms too, but no - it wasn't Bob > >Brenchley. > > Wasnt it graham whatsit? I thought possibly graham because I remember he did some scifi stuff for SAM2Sam. I remember them being quite funny and sending up the hackneyed plots of scifi really well. Which is just the kind of stuff I'm after. > > Peace, Love and Kisses, JohnnaPig Teare http://www.theunstoppablesexmachine.freeserve.co.uk "It won't get better but it might never get worse..." From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 00:32:13 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA26418 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:32:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA02988 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:32:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49788-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:30:18 +0200 Received: from finch-post-11.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.39]:33030 "EHLO finch-post-11.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49611-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:29:58 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by finch-post-11.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11LZw3-000Lmu-0B for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:29:56 +0000 Message-ID: <4lyfeGAssly3Ewgu@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:21:32 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: <37C94E3B.315B@clara.net> <0nRQoCAQwVy3Ewgg@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> <37C95E5C.4B9@clara.net> <19990829182657.A28148@comlab.ox.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <19990829182657.A28148@comlab.ox.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 18 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 580 In message <19990829182657.A28148@comlab.ox.ac.uk>, Ian Collier writes >On Sun, Aug 29, 1999 at 05:30:45PM +0100, Graham Goring wrote: >> NB. I was speaking to Wayne today, and he says he'll finish Kaboom! when >> there's a 32bit version of SIM Coupé to do it on... ;) > >But it is 32-bit already... I think he means a version he can easily use on the desktop, a la zx32. Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 00:32:28 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA26417 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:32:11 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA02985 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:32:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49774-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:30:17 +0200 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.41]:50961 "EHLO finch-post-12.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49788-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:29:58 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11LZw4-0003TR-0C for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 22:29:57 +0000 Message-ID: <6FVfmLAytly3EwDk@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 11:22:42 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: <37C94E3B.315B@clara.net> <0nRQoCAQwVy3Ewgg@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 573 Status: RO X-Lines: 20 In message , Andrew Collier writes >Talking about GamesMaster shooters, I was always rather impressed by DMZ's >"FADE" (Fred 49). Yeah, that was a nice game. Had nice music on the title screen too, IIRC. DMZ's brother wrote it, didn't he? >"Infection" wasn't bad, either (Fred 42). Yeah. I wonder what Matt Round is doing these days? Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 00:39:53 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA26645 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:39:52 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA05283 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:39:51 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49835-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:38:48 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:48401 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49790-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:38:34 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id XAA24374 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:38:32 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id XAA01344 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:38:28 +0100 (BST) Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:38:28 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) Message-ID: <19990830233828.A1325@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <37C94E3B.315B@clara.net> <0nRQoCAQwVy3Ewgg@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> <37C95E5C.4B9@clara.net> <19990829182657.A28148@comlab.ox.ac.uk> <4lyfeGAssly3Ewgu@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <4lyfeGAssly3Ewgu@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk>; from Graham Goring on Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 11:21:32AM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 8 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 213 On Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 11:21:32AM +0100, Graham Goring wrote: > >But it is 32-bit already... > I think he means a version he can easily use on the desktop, a la zx32. But you can... on your Linux desktop. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 00:46:30 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA27285 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:46:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA07802 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:46:28 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49839-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:43:06 +0200 Received: from tungsten.btinternet.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.81]:28043 "EHLO tungsten.btinternet.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49793-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:42:58 +0200 Received: from host5-171-235-154.btinternet.com ([195.171.235.154] helo=btinternet.com) by tungsten.btinternet.com with esmtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11La8b-0007ZJ-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:42:53 +0100 Message-ID: <37CB08E2.B8285707@btinternet.com> Date: Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:42:42 +0100 From: Thomas Harte X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.6 [en-gb] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-* MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: <37C94E3B.315B@clara.net> <0nRQoCAQwVy3Ewgg@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> <37C95E5C.4B9@clara.net> <19990829182657.A28148@comlab.ox.ac.uk> <4lyfeGAssly3Ewgu@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> <19990830233828.A1325@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 101 > But you can... on your Linux desktop. Or indeed any other UNIX, or Macintosh, surely? -Thomas From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 01:39:51 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA00052 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:39:49 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA24988 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:39:48 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49853-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:31:29 +0200 Received: from zagnut.hotpop.com ([IPv6:::ffff:204.57.55.32]:60480 "HELO zagnut.hotpop.com" ident: "postfix") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49851-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:31:15 +0200 Received: from bonbon.net (ppp-2-66.cvx5.telinco.net [212.1.150.66]) by zagnut.hotpop.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 7CFE4639D4 for ; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 19:30:50 -0400 (EDT) Message-ID: <37CB1418.E18B2C5C@bonbon.net> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:30:32 +0100 From: Martin Fitzpatrick X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.61 [en] (Win98; I) X-Accept-Language: en-GB,en,en-US MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Anybody know who Anonymity Smith was? References: Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-HotPOP: ----------------------------------------------- Sent By HotPOP.com FREE Email Get your FREE POP email at www.HotPOP.com ----------------------------------------------- X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 483 Johnna Teare wrote: > > I thought possibly graham because I remember he did some scifi > stuff for SAM2Sam. > > I remember them being quite funny and sending up the hackneyed > plots of scifi really well. Which is just the kind of stuff I'm after. Was it him who did the Star Trek thing on FRED (or maybe Outlet?).... the one with the thing about the red jerseys etc. etc.? Sort of animation thing? Fitz -- Email: poohsticks@bonbon.net ICQ#: 11077801 AOL/CServeIM: Flupert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 01:44:42 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA00489 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:44:41 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA26490 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:44:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49774-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:43:54 +0200 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.20]:17170 "EHLO tele-post-20.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49788-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:43:42 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Lb5Q-0008aB-0K for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:43:41 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:42:08 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Anybody know who Anonymity Smith was? References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7BIT X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 20 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 481 In message , Johnna Teare writes >Who was Anonymity Smith? The bloke (i am assuming it was a >bloke) who wrote those spoof sci-fi stories on Fred from years >back? Me. Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 01:49:04 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA00761 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:49:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA27877 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:49:02 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49842-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:47:38 +0200 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.20]:60690 "EHLO tele-post-20.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49839-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:47:31 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Lb98-0008lm-0K for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:47:31 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:47:23 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Anybody know who Anonymity Smith was? References: <37cad8d5.3329204@mail.clara.net> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 1214 Status: RO X-Lines: 38 In message , Johnna Teare writes >On 30 Aug 99, at 19:18, Me wrote: > >> >I know who it was, but I think it would spoil the fun to tell you :) >> >> >He wrote under a few other psuedonyms too, but no - it wasn't Bob >> >Brenchley. >> >> Wasnt it graham whatsit? Whatsit? Cor blimey... >I thought possibly graham because I remember he did some scifi >stuff for SAM2Sam. That review of The Tripods, for a start. :) >I remember them being quite funny and sending up the hackneyed >plots of scifi really well. Which is just the kind of stuff I'm after. Cor! How nice of you. :) Well, I wouldn't hold your breath for much new stuff in that vein (I only just finished a 23,000 word novella less than an hour ago to accompany the excellent Klass Of 99 - a PC update of Skool Daze with a whole new plot and new cast members) but you're welcome to publish all the old stuff, after all only about 20 people ever read it. ;) Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 01:54:00 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA00993 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:53:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA29291 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:53:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49835-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:49:37 +0200 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.20]:7187 "EHLO tele-post-20.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49774-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:49:06 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LbAe-0008pG-0K for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:49:04 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:48:56 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: <37C94E3B.315B@clara.net> <0nRQoCAQwVy3Ewgg@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> <37C95E5C.4B9@clara.net> <19990829182657.A28148@comlab.ox.ac.uk> <4lyfeGAssly3Ewgu@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> <19990830233828.A1325@comlab.ox.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <19990830233828.A1325@comlab.ox.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 606 Status: RO X-Lines: 20 In message <19990830233828.A1325@comlab.ox.ac.uk>, Ian Collier writes >On Mon, Aug 30, 1999 at 11:21:32AM +0100, Graham Goring wrote: >> >But it is 32-bit already... > >> I think he means a version he can easily use on the desktop, a la zx32. > >But you can... on your Linux desktop. Don't be silly. Wayne works for Reflections, he's used to programming games for a viable software environment. :) Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 01:58:58 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id BAA01211 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:58:57 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id BAA00446 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:58:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49788-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:58:09 +0200 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.20]:65284 "EHLO tele-post-20.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49774-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 01:57:55 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11LbJ9-00099N-0K for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Mon, 30 Aug 1999 23:57:53 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 00:56:06 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Anybody know who Anonymity Smith was? References: <37CB1418.E18B2C5C@bonbon.net> In-Reply-To: <37CB1418.E18B2C5C@bonbon.net> MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 852 Status: RO X-Lines: 31 In message <37CB1418.E18B2C5C@bonbon.net>, Martin Fitzpatrick writes > > >Johnna Teare wrote: >> >> I thought possibly graham because I remember he did some scifi >> stuff for SAM2Sam. >> >> I remember them being quite funny and sending up the hackneyed >> plots of scifi really well. Which is just the kind of stuff I'm after. > >Was it him who did the Star Trek thing on FRED (or maybe Outlet?).... >the one with the thing about the red jerseys etc. etc.? Sort of >animation thing? No, I wasn't behind that "red-jersey" thing you speak of! How dare you accuse me of that? ;) I did the thing based on The Next Generation, not the original one. Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 11:21:02 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA05728 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:20:56 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA28119 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:20:55 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49356-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:19:50 +0200 Received: from firewall.armature.com ([IPv6:::ffff:194.128.255.225]:59546 "EHLO cow.bacg.com" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49363-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:19:40 +0200 Received: by COW with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) id ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:09:50 +0100 Message-ID: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C2012989F0@COW> From: =?iso-8859-1?Q?Dan_Door=E9?= To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Anybody know who Anonymity Smith was? Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:09:49 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Internet Mail Service (5.5.2650.10) X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 202 > Was it him who did the Star Trek thing on FRED (or maybe Outlet?).... > the one with the thing about the red jerseys etc. etc.? Sort of > animation thing? Nah, that was the Axe man himself... Dan. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 11:37:36 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id LAA06575 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:37:35 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id LAA10683 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:37:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49363-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:35:58 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:64262 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49356-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:35:41 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id KAA12277 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:35:39 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id KAA02165 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:35:32 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:35:31 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) Message-ID: <19990831103531.A2090@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: <37C94E3B.315B@clara.net> <0nRQoCAQwVy3Ewgg@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> <37C95E5C.4B9@clara.net> <19990829182657.A28148@comlab.ox.ac.uk> <4lyfeGAssly3Ewgu@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> <19990830233828.A1325@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: ; from Graham Goring on Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 12:48:56AM +0100 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 9 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 295 On Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 12:48:56AM +0100, Graham Goring wrote: > Don't be silly. Wayne works for Reflections, he's used to programming > games for a viable software environment. :) That's dangerous talk on a Sam list... Anyway, ask Red Hat whether Linux is a viable software environment. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 13:25:29 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA14040 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:25:27 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA00446 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:25:26 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49461-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:24:33 +0200 Received: from risc.upol.cz ([IPv6:::ffff:158.194.7.2]:6413 "EHLO risc.upol.cz" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49458-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:24:16 +0200 Received: from alpha.inf.upol.cz (root@localhost) by risc.upol.cz (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id NAA29124 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:24:15 +0200 (DFT) Received: from mauc005.inf.upol.cz by alpha.inf.upol.cz (5.65v4.0/1.1.10.5/24May99-0258PM) id AA06414; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:24:14 +0200 Message-Id: <00fe01bef3a3$6b8c2cc0$6951c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: <0AEF0EB21F09D211AE4E0080C82733BF851B8C@mailhost.aculab.com> <001101bed2b2$2b5ed740$e49afea9@genie> Subject: Re: Where can I get latest version of Sim Coupe from? Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:24:42 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 22 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 604 > Excuse me for me complete sadness, but I can't find any new versions of Sim > Coupe. The latest I have is dated early 98. > Is there a new homepage for the programmer? Where is the official > distribution site? You can get the latest DOS version at http://get.to/aley > Cheers > > Simon Osborne ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 13:47:02 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA15775 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:47:01 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA17412 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:46:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49499-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:45:14 +0200 Received: from risc.upol.cz ([IPv6:::ffff:158.194.7.2]:48653 "EHLO risc.upol.cz" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49498-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:45:07 +0200 Received: from alpha.inf.upol.cz (root@localhost) by risc.upol.cz (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id NAA36800 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:45:05 +0200 (DFT) Received: from mauc005.inf.upol.cz by alpha.inf.upol.cz (5.65v4.0/1.1.10.5/24May99-0258PM) id AA07277; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:45:05 +0200 Message-Id: <017c01bef3a6$54f33be0$6951c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: "Sam Users" Subject: Sim Coupe : wide spread? II. Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:45:32 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 30 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-2" Content-Length: 991 Well, after tens mails of nonsense, I will try to explain the problem again. Note: The name of this mail reflects the original name (Sim Coupe : wide spead?) and I will talk about starting DSK files in SimCoupe (DOS). I wrote it many times, but most people saw only my "missed point" sentences, not the information. So again: You CANNOT start any DSK file using -fd1 command line switch. If you would do so, and enter "exepath\simcoupe -fd1 dskpath\filename.dsk" as a parameter, the SimCoupe will fail to load Sam ROM files, since it will search for them in that specified path, not the EXE path. That's all. I am really sorry for this, but I must recommend Stuart Brady to shut up. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 13:57:15 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id NAA16390 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:57:13 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id NAA25769 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:57:12 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49505-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:55:54 +0200 Received: from risc.upol.cz ([IPv6:::ffff:158.194.7.2]:5646 "EHLO risc.upol.cz" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49499-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:55:33 +0200 Received: from alpha.inf.upol.cz (root@localhost) by risc.upol.cz (AIX4.2/UCB 8.7/8.7) with SMTP id NAA10334 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:55:29 +0200 (DFT) Received: from mauc005.inf.upol.cz by alpha.inf.upol.cz (5.65v4.0/1.1.10.5/24May99-0258PM) id AA07130; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:55:29 +0200 Message-Id: <01ba01bef3a7$c8c4a0d0$6951c29e@inf.upol.cz> From: "Aley Keprt" To: References: Subject: Re: SAMDISK.exe + Simcoupe. Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:55:56 +0200 Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-Msmail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2014.211 X-Mimeole: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2014.211 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 34 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 1043 Well, as fas as I can remember, I coded at least two programs for converting SAM disks to/from floppies. SMD (SamMasterDos) and SBK (SamBackup). There are several versions of SMD written in Pascal and the newer SBK which replaced earlier SMD. I stopped the work when I bought my new PC and it can't read Sam disks at all. You can have the same problem: mainboard+bios In this case you probably can't slove it. I think the really best way is to install Linux and try the conversion under Linux. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ If you don't want to install Linux, you can download SamBackup from my web page. In addition, there are two different versions of SBK (DOS & Windows 95 one). I'm affraid only one is available on the net. ---------------------------------------------------------------- Aley [eili] Keprt - student, programmer (multimedia soft. etc.) phone: +420-68-538 70 35 e-mail: AleyKeprt@bigfoot.com *** http://get.to/aley ---------------------------------------------------------------- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 14:14:48 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA17558 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:14:47 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA10654 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:14:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49505-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:13:06 +0200 Received: from ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.227.50.25]:14272 "HELO ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with SMTP id <49499-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:12:59 +0200 Received: from yavanna.mcs.surrey.ac.uk by ainur.ee.surrey.ac.uk with smtp (Smail3.1.29.1-ident) id m11LmmT-0001X7C; Tue, 31 Aug 99 13:12 BST Received: from eep2ag by yavanna.mcs.surrey.ac.uk with local (Exim 0.57 #1) id 11LmmQ-0000eO-00; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:12:50 +0100 Subject: Re: Sim Coupe : wide spread? II. To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:12:50 +0100 (BST) In-Reply-To: <017c01bef3a6$54f33be0$6951c29e@inf.upol.cz> from "Aley Keprt" at Aug 31, 99 01:45:32 pm X-Mailer: ELM [version 2.4 PL25] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: From: Andrew Gale X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 11 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 206 > I am really sorry for this, but > I must recommend Stuart Brady to shut up. > God, you're obnoxious! Everybody else manages to correct people or disagree without being arsey. Give it a rest... -Andy From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 14:27:22 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA18683 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:27:21 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA20722 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:27:20 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49521-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:24:11 +0200 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.70]:18400 "EHLO red.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49499-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:24:02 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11LmxD-0002wi-00; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:23:59 +0100 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:23:59 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: Sam Users Subject: Re: Sim Coupe : wide spread? II. In-Reply-To: <017c01bef3a6$54f33be0$6951c29e@inf.upol.cz> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 25 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 826 On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Aley Keprt wrote: > So again: > You CANNOT start any DSK file using -fd1 command line > switch. If you would do so, and enter > "exepath\simcoupe -fd1 dskpath\filename.dsk" > as a parameter, the SimCoupe will fail to load Sam ROM > files, since it will search for them in that specified path, > not the EXE path. So you're coming up against a bug in the DOS version. Fine - you have the sources for the DOS version. In fact, you personally are the very programmer who releases this DOS version. So why don't you fix it yourself instead of whining on sam-users? Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 14:38:45 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id OAA19520 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:38:44 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id OAA00223 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:38:43 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49499-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:37:02 +0200 Received: from finch-post-12.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.41]:44299 "EHLO finch-post-12.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49521-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 14:36:41 +0200 Received: from duketastrophy.demon.co.uk ([193.237.10.98]) by finch-post-12.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Ln9O-000LKQ-0C for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 12:36:37 +0000 Message-ID: Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 13:28:56 +0100 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no From: Graham Goring Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) References: <37C94E3B.315B@clara.net> <0nRQoCAQwVy3Ewgg@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> <37C95E5C.4B9@clara.net> <19990829182657.A28148@comlab.ox.ac.uk> <4lyfeGAssly3Ewgu@duketastrophy.demon.co.uk> <19990830233828.A1325@comlab.ox.ac.uk> <19990831103531.A2090@comlab.ox.ac.uk> In-Reply-To: <19990831103531.A2090@comlab.ox.ac.uk> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Mailer: Turnpike (32) Trial Version 4.01 <8OHKkEUpoELRXEckwUjJGSM0AF> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 24 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 738 In message <19990831103531.A2090@comlab.ox.ac.uk>, Ian Collier writes >On Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 12:48:56AM +0100, Graham Goring wrote: >> Don't be silly. Wayne works for Reflections, he's used to programming >> games for a viable software environment. :) > >That's dangerous talk on a Sam list... Cor lummy, you're right. You don't get much less viable than the SAM Coupé. >Anyway, ask Red Hat whether Linux is a viable software environment. Red Hat? Never heard of them. Do they do children's educational software or summat? :) Graham Goring -- /====================================\ | Ber-Limey! There's not even enough | |room to swing a cat in this sodding-| \=========== ICQ: 5333545 ===========/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 18:02:36 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA02400 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:02:31 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA05095 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:02:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49626-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:00:12 +0200 Received: from ns1.networksplus.net ([IPv6:::ffff:199.240.184.2]:38154 "EHLO mailhost.networksplus.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49611-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:00:02 +0200 Received: from man-ppp-a217.networksplus.net ([198.243.69.217]) by mailhost.networksplus.net (Post.Office MTA v3.5 release 215 ID# 0-60871U10500L1050S0V35) with SMTP id net for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 11:02:31 -0500 From: "James R Curry" To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:59:53 +0000 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-transfer-encoding: 7BIT Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) In-reply-to: <19990831103531.A2090@comlab.ox.ac.uk> References: ; from Graham Goring on Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 12:48:56AM +0100 X-mailer: Pegasus Mail for Windows (v3.01d) Message-Id: <19990831160008Z49611-22095+275@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 1311 Date sent: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 10:35:31 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) Send reply to: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no > > Don't be silly. Wayne works for Reflections, he's used to programming > > games for a viable software environment. :) > > That's dangerous talk on a Sam list... > > Anyway, ask Red Hat whether Linux is a viable software environment. > > imc Don't get me wrong, I like Linux. I like Red Hat Linux. But let us imagine a hypothetical situation for a moment: Let us imagine that we are business men, and not geeks. Now, our latest 3D-texture-poly-lumi-sphereoid-grafixo-engine(TM) enhanced shoot-'em-up which breaks all the boundaries in gameplay and technical acheivement... ...are we going to find Linux or Windows the more viable platform when it comes to making A SEVERE AMOUNT OF MONEY? If you say that you'll make as MUCH money, or even CLOSE from the Linux platform, you are obviously insane. ;) With business software, you might make more, but PARTICULARLY with games software, you'll be targetting the "I dunno anything other than Windows" crowd. -- James R Curry - James@curry.com "The Balloon Doggies DEMANDED it!" From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 18:13:36 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA02887 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:13:34 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA11490 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:13:33 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49645-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:06:32 +0200 Received: from mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:163.1.27.1]:16909 "EHLO mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk" ident: "root") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49649-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:06:09 +0200 Received: from comlab.ox.ac.uk (imc@ruby.comlab.ox.ac.uk [163.1.27.199]) by mail.comlab.ox.ac.uk (M1.2/8.8.8) with ESMTP id RAA20226 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:06:08 +0100 (BST) Received: (from imc@localhost) by ruby.comlab (comlab4.7/8.8.8) id RAA03247 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:06:01 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:05:59 +0100 From: Ian Collier To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) Message-ID: <19990831170559.D2090@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Mail-Followup-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no References: ; <19990831103531.A2090@comlab.ox.ac.uk> <19990831160008Z49611-22095+275@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Mutt 0.95.1i In-Reply-To: <19990831160008Z49611-22095+275@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no>; from James R Curry on Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 10:59:53AM +0000 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 16 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 714 On Tue, Aug 31, 1999 at 10:59:53AM +0000, James R Curry wrote: > Let us imagine that we are business men, and not geeks. Now, our > latest 3D-texture-poly-lumi-sphereoid-grafixo-engine(TM) enhanced > shoot-'em-up which breaks all the boundaries in gameplay and > technical acheivement... I gather that a recent release of Quake came out first on Linux, but not having the first idea what that even is :o) I couldn't substantiate that. > ...are we going to find Linux or Windows the more viable platform > when it comes to making A SEVERE AMOUNT OF MONEY? I don't believe I said anywhere that it was "more" viable than something else. Being viable and being more viable are entirely different things. imc From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 18:23:05 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id SAA03483 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:23:04 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id SAA16780 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:23:03 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49622-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:19:23 +0200 Received: from red.csi.cam.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:131.111.8.70]:29351 "EHLO red.csi.cam.ac.uk" ident: "exim") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49611-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 18:19:09 +0200 Received: from asc25 (helo=localhost) by red.csi.cam.ac.uk with local-smtp (Exim 3.03 #1) id 11Lqcg-0003ON-00; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:19:02 +0100 Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:19:02 +0100 (BST) From: Andrew Collier X-Sender: asc25@red.csi.cam.ac.uk To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: OT - Games and Linux (was Re: Sam's worst ever game?) In-Reply-To: <19990831170559.D2090@comlab.ox.ac.uk> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 25 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="US-ASCII" Content-Length: 1018 On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Ian Collier wrote: > I gather that a recent release of Quake came out first on Linux, but not > having the first idea what that even is :o) I couldn't substantiate that. Wrong - Quake3Arena Test came out first on MacOS, then Linux, then Windows. But the reason for this was that MacOS has a more standardized hardware base, so things were more likely to work without massive trouble. Windows was left last because it has the largest user base (probably by a factor of at least 10), and they wanted to fix cross-platform bugs before exposing their product to mass market. Not that I'm saying that Linux is an negligible market - people are releasing games such as Myth II - but in terms of games it has much less significance than Windows or even MacOS. Andrew -- -- Andrew Collier (asc25@cam.ac.uk) -- My other -- http://mnemotech.ucam.org -- .sig is a -- Part 3 Materials Science, Cambridge -- PDF file -- From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 20:21:42 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA10272 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:21:40 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA10240 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:21:39 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49633-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:19:58 +0200 Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:152.78.71.4]:37321 "EHLO rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49630-22095> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:19:45 +0200 Received: from stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk (stork [152.78.71.1]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA22278 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:21:01 +0100 (BST) Received: from soolin.ecs.soton.ac.uk (IDENT:rwb197@soolin [152.78.71.19]) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA28805 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:19:43 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:19:40 +0100 (GMT) From: Robert Brady To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Anybody know who Anonymity Smith was? In-Reply-To: <753866CAB183D211883F0090271F46C2012989F0@COW> Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="utf-8" Content-Length: 594 On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, [iso-8859-1] Dan Dooré wrote: > > Was it him who did the Star Trek thing on FRED (or maybe Outlet?).... > > the one with the thing about the red jerseys etc. etc.? Sort of > > animation thing? > > Nah, that was the Axe man himself... No. As far as I can tell that was stolen from a longrunning series call "Vax Trek", with "VAX" changed to "SAM" in a few places. http://terek-nor.rz.uni-mannheim.de/trek/vaxtrek/ -- Robert who is guilty of "The Useless Ones", which he did actually finish, but never got published. Maybe they realised it was crap or something... From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 20:27:11 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA10396 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:27:10 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA12571 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:27:09 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49639-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:26:08 +0200 Received: from rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk ([IPv6:::ffff:152.78.71.4]:44489 "EHLO rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49630-22095> convert rfc822-to-8bit; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:25:55 +0200 Received: from stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk (stork [152.78.71.1]) by rook.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.1a/8.9.1) with ESMTP id TAA22343 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:27:12 +0100 (BST) Received: from soolin.ecs.soton.ac.uk (IDENT:rwb197@soolin [152.78.71.19]) by stork.ecs.soton.ac.uk (8.9.3/8.9.3) with SMTP id TAA01675 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:25:53 +0100 (BST) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:25:53 +0100 (GMT) From: Robert Brady To: "'sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no'" Subject: RE: Anybody know who Anonymity Smith was? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT Content-Transfer-Encoding: QUOTED-PRINTABLE X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset="utf-8" Content-Length: 612 On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, Robert Brady wrote: > On Tue, 31 Aug 1999, [iso-8859-1] Dan Dooré wrote: > > > > Was it him who did the Star Trek thing on FRED (or maybe Outlet?).... > > > the one with the thing about the red jerseys etc. etc.? Sort of > > > animation thing? > > > > Nah, that was the Axe man himself... > > No. As far as I can tell that was stolen from a longrunning series call > "Vax Trek", with "VAX" changed to "SAM" in a few places. Just to clarify : the adaptation into an animation was, of couse, Axe's fault. the original text file "Sam Trek" was 'borrowed' from VAX Trek. -- Robert From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 21:54:38 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id VAA15396 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:54:37 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id VAA18245 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:54:36 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49651-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:39:08 +0200 Received: from trolly.tesco.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.73.73.166]:9882 "EHLO trolley.tesco.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49650-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:38:49 +0200 Received: from [212.140.68.18] (helo=default) by trolley.tesco.net with smtp (Exim 2.05 #1) id 11Ltjs-0006oK-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:38:41 +0100 Message-ID: <000101bef42b$9247c260$12448cd4@default> From: "Robert Wilkinson" To: "Sam Usergroup" Subject: Sam C Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 20:37:54 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 4.72.3110.5 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V4.72.3110.3 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 14 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Length: 311 Some years ago I bought Sam C from Fred publishing. I remember that subsequent issues of Fred, published pokes to correct some bugs in the program. I've lost these pokes... ( including the issues of Fred ) Can anyone help, and does the program work properly once the pokes are in place. Bob Wilkinson. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 22:47:02 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id WAA18460 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:47:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id WAA08316 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:46:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49643-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:44:59 +0200 Received: from oracle.clara.net ([IPv6:::ffff:195.8.69.94]:33040 "EHLO oracle.clara.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49639-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 22:44:49 +0200 Received: from [195.8.84.176] (helo=default) by oracle.clara.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11Lulq-000JVO-00 for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:44:47 +0100 Message-ID: <37CC3E73.18F@clara.net> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 21:43:31 +0100 From: Gordon Wallis Organization: HEXdidn't... X-Mailer: Mozilla 3.01 (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Sam Paint Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 25 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 1176 Damnfuckingstupidpiece'o'crapbloodyshittyexcuseforafuckingartpackage! Sorry for that. Just lost an hour's work in Sam Paint after I tried to '1/2 turn' a grabbed block. Yes, I know I should have saved, but I only expect that sort of eff-up on my poxy-effing-pee-see. Anyone else out there using Sam Paint still? Anyone else keep having problems where a grabbed block becomes serious screwed up after rotating, flipping, or that kind of thing? Anyone else have the program crash, reporting "Off screen"? All of this seems to be regardless of the size of the grabbed block and the area from which it was grabbed. Just an occasional thing that happens in odd Sam Paint sessions, not every time... I suppose it's too much to ask that there's an effing patch available to sort the damned thing out. Think I'll give up and stick with Flash for the complicated stuff. Gord. (seriously P!$$3D off at the moment, but apologetic for my language) -- < The HEXdidn't... Homepage: >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> < ------ Featuring The U.K. Policenauts Homepage ------ > <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<< http://www.hexdidnt.clara.net > \---------- AOL Instant Messenger: 'hexdidnt' ----------/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Tue Aug 31 23:13:00 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id XAA19917 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:12:59 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id XAA18019 for ; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:12:58 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49648-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:11:28 +0200 Received: from imo28.mx.aol.com ([IPv6:::ffff:198.81.17.72]:44040 "EHLO imo28.mx.aol.com" ident: "TIMEDOUT") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49643-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:11:09 +0200 Received: from Gouranga@aol.com by imo28.mx.aol.com (mail_out_v22.4.) id zEEBa22756 (15553); Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:10:11 -0400 (EDT) From: Gouranga@aol.com Message-ID: <894e2a26.24fd9eb3@aol.com> Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 17:10:11 EDT Subject: Re: Sam's Birthday To: Tim , sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: AOL NetMail version 2.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 17 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Length: 942 Easy enough to book the hall - I guess we'd have to go through some sort of pretense of showing / selling stuff. Or we could make a weekend of it - an all day drinking session on Saturday for those up for it, and the show on the Sunday (with an all day drinking session for those still up for it....). Swansea would be good - we could do a brief tour round the various offices of MGT/SAMCo/SamTech, houses of the various SAMCo employees etc etc and other such tedious things. Perhaps a piss-up in Gloucester is our best bet. > My suggestion would just be to all meet up in the pub opposite Quedgely > village hall, making sure we all wear a black arm band to keep Graham happy. > > Admittedly I'm biased due to living in Cheltenham, but since it's been the > traditional home of the shows it seems an apt place to hold it. Or else > Swansea. > > Hmmm. Of course, someone else could try and hire the hall out for the day. > > ....@/ From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 1 00:14:18 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id AAA23343 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:14:16 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id AAA08658 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:14:15 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49796-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:57:58 +0200 Received: from pc-212-51-220-7.p.lodz.pl ([IPv6:::ffff:212.51.220.7]:57861 "EHLO sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49772-22095>; Tue, 31 Aug 1999 23:57:47 +0200 Received: from sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl (dialup1.sys.com.pl [212.244.39.29]) by sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl (8.8.7/8.8.7) with SMTP id AAA01810 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 00:14:46 +0200 (CEST) (envelope-from yarek@sp7.zsk.p.lodz.pl) From: Jarek Adamski To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 15:11:57 +0100 Message-ID: X-Mailer: YAM 1.3.4 - Amiga Mailer by Marcel Beck Organization: PF "NABLA" Subject: MIDI fileserver for SAM MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Status: RO X-Lines: 21 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Length: 527 Hi! Could someone help me to write a program for pc that would serve files to SAM via MIDI (of soundcard)? I have now: -tested point-to-point protocol (works now on 6bit parallel full duplex cable); -started code for pc (uses LPT for above media); -tested code for Z80 (works with above media); To do is: -finish and test server code for pc; -make "MIDI kit" for connection with SAM; -find way to low level driving MIDI of pc; -find way to access TCP stack of pc; -write some TCP clients (telnet, ftp). -- Yarek. From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 1 03:19:31 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id DAA04704 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:19:30 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id DAA01378 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:19:29 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49799-22095>; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:18:25 +0200 Received: from finch-post-10.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.38]:30991 "EHLO finch-post-10.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49808-22095>; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 03:18:16 +0200 Received: from demon-gw.thewhitehouse.co.uk ([212.240.11.65] helo=chris) by finch-post-10.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #1) id 11Lz2U-000McN-0A for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 01:18:14 +0000 Message-ID: <001101bef34e$94e84040$410bf0d4@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: <894e2a26.24fd9eb3@aol.com> Subject: Re: Sam's Birthday Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 02:16:46 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 1252 Status: RO X-Lines: 41 But Gloucester don't have 'The Kings Way' or 'Mubles' (but maybe thats a good ting :) ) ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Tim ; Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 1999 10:10 PM Subject: Re: Sam's Birthday > Easy enough to book the hall - I guess we'd have to go through some sort of pretense of showing / selling stuff. Or we could make a weekend of it - an all day drinking session on Saturday for those up for it, and the show on the Sunday (with an all day drinking session for those still up for it....). > > Swansea would be good - we could do a brief tour round the various offices of MGT/SAMCo/SamTech, houses of the various SAMCo employees etc etc and other such tedious things. Perhaps a piss-up in Gloucester is our best bet. > > > > My suggestion would just be to all meet up in the pub opposite Quedgely > > village hall, making sure we all wear a black arm band to keep Graham happy. > > > > Admittedly I'm biased due to living in Cheltenham, but since it's been the > > traditional home of the shows it seems an apt place to hold it. Or else > > Swansea. > > > > Hmmm. Of course, someone else could try and hire the hall out for the day. > > > > ....@/ > > > From owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Wed Sep 1 20:58:48 1999 Received: from alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se [153.88.253.21]) by edh3.edh.ericsson.se (8.9.1/8.9.1/eri-dom-1.0) with ESMTP id UAA09218 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:58:46 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no (IDENT:root@sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no [129.241.210.67]) by alaska.wise.edt.ericsson.se (8.9.3/8.9.3/WIREfire-1.3) with ESMTP id UAA13851 for ; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:58:45 +0200 (MET DST) Received: by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no id <49653-22095>; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:57:40 +0200 Received: from tele-post-20.mail.demon.net ([IPv6:::ffff:194.217.242.20]:19215 "EHLO tele-post-20.mail.demon.net" ident: "NO-IDENT-SERVICE[2]") by sabre-wulf.nvg.ntnu.no with ESMTP id <49658-22095>; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 20:57:26 +0200 Received: from demon-gw.thewhitehouse.co.uk ([212.240.11.65] helo=chris) by tele-post-20.mail.demon.net with smtp (Exim 2.12 #2) id 11MFZP-0009k3-0K for sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no; Wed, 1 Sep 1999 18:57:19 +0000 Message-ID: <002701bef3e2$88848fe0$410bf0d4@chris> From: "Chris White" To: References: <199909010721.JAA08796@musa.edh.ericsson.se> <00f501bef44c$ea183760$64a5fea9@simcooke3> Subject: Re: Re[2]: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) Date: Tue, 31 Aug 1999 19:53:39 +0100 X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 5.00.2314.1300 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V5.00.2314.1300 X-Orcpt: rfc822;sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sender: owner-sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Precedence: bulk Reply-To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Content-Length: 923 Status: RO X-Lines: 37 What , Hang on will take a look @ Web page ................... Okay yep , the Bios and Os for NGPSX will be Linux based , but dev kits will be IPX/TCP Comunication based , enabling mutli user development & Testers to access latest build , As yet not been able to fully verify/use said kit , but soon :) But as Linux is Open Source then some git is gonna do some bad stuff , but time will tell , C Ps. NDA stops me from saying any more ----- Original Message ----- From: Simon Cooke To: Sent: Wednesday, September 01, 1999 8:37 AM Subject: Re: Re[2]: Sam's worst ever game? (was Re: Who Wants To Be A... ) > > Sony is insane now then? :) > > > > http://www.wired.com/news/news/business/story/19696.html > > > > -Frode > > Dev platform only (and even then, possibly only in Japan) :) Chris knows > more about this kinda thing... Chris? yoohoooooooo? > > Simon > >