From port-vax-owner-port-vax-archive=mail-archive.netbsd.org@netbsd.org Fri Jul 16 16:32:40 1999 Return-Path: Received: from mail.netbsd.org (redmail.netbsd.org [155.53.200.193]) by nbftp.isc.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA05816 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:32:40 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 3741 invoked by uid 605); 16 Jul 1999 15:30:28 -0000 Received: (qmail 3368 invoked from network); 16 Jul 1999 15:30:03 -0000 Received: from web5.webmailer.de (HELO post.webmailer.de) (192.67.198.7) by redmail.netbsd.org with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 15:30:03 -0000 Received: from zeus.camaronet.de (pec-0-249.tnt1.s2.uunet.de [149.225.0.249]) by post.webmailer.de (8.9.3/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA16383; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:30:00 +0200 (MET DST) Received: from hermes.camaronet.de (hermes [192.168.177.32]) by zeus.camaronet.de (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id RAA31936; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:16:03 +0200 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:16:02 +0200 (CEST) From: Michael Kukat To: Andy Farkas cc: port-vax@netbsd.org Subject: Re: 1.4.1 kernels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: port-vax-owner@netbsd.org Precedence: list Delivered-To: port-vax@netbsd.org Hi ! > vax# uname -a > NetBSD vax.zippynet.iol.net.au 1.4.1 NetBSD 1.4.1 (GENERIC) #1: \ > Tue Dec 30 23:49:29 PST 1969 \ > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > abs@vaccination:/home/1.4/sys/arch/vax/compile/GENERIC vax > > > Forgot to set your clock? :) It looks like the dates resulting from a previous VMS boot. When you set the date there, you always get such kind of pre-historic dates in NetBSD :-) so long.. Michael From port-vax-owner-port-vax-archive=mail-archive.netbsd.org@netbsd.org Fri Jul 16 16:38:21 1999 Return-Path: Received: from mail.netbsd.org (redmail.netbsd.org [155.53.200.193]) by nbftp.isc.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA05889 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:38:21 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 9848 invoked by uid 605); 16 Jul 1999 16:31:09 -0000 Received: (qmail 9842 invoked from network); 16 Jul 1999 16:31:04 -0000 Received: from dreamworks.com (HELO border.dreamworks.com) (209.179.64.2) by redmail.netbsd.org with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 16:31:04 -0000 Received: from cynic.anim.dreamworks.com by border.dreamworks.com via smtpd (for redmail.netbsd.org [155.53.200.193]) with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 16:31:04 UT Received: from localhost (abs@localhost) by cynic.anim.dreamworks.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id JAA02978; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:26:09 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cynic.anim.dreamworks.com: abs owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 09:26:09 -0700 (PDT) From: David Brownlee To: Michael Kukat cc: Andy Farkas , ingram@symsys.com, port-vax@netbsd.org Subject: Re: 1.4.1 kernels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: port-vax-owner@netbsd.org Precedence: list Delivered-To: port-vax@netbsd.org On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Michael Kukat wrote: > Hi ! > > > vax# uname -a > > NetBSD vax.zippynet.iol.net.au 1.4.1 NetBSD 1.4.1 (GENERIC) #1: \ > > Tue Dec 30 23:49:29 PST 1969 \ > > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ > > abs@vaccination:/home/1.4/sys/arch/vax/compile/GENERIC vax > > > > > > Forgot to set your clock? :) > > It looks like the dates resulting from a previous VMS boot. When you set the > date there, you always get such kind of pre-historic dates in NetBSD :-) I think this was due to the machine being powered off for so long :) btw - new kernel for KA630 users which should save another couple of 100K: ftp://ftp.netbsd.org/pub/NetBSD/arch/vax/kernels/1.4.1/netbsd.smidgen.gz As ever - let me know! :) David/absolute Q: Why do ducks have flat feet? Q: Why do elephants have flat feet? A: To stamp out forest fires. A: To stamp out flaming ducks. From port-vax-owner-port-vax-archive=mail-archive.netbsd.org@netbsd.org Fri Jul 16 16:43:36 1999 Return-Path: Received: from mail.netbsd.org (redmail.netbsd.org [155.53.200.193]) by nbftp.isc.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id QAA05981 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 16:43:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 14535 invoked by uid 605); 16 Jul 1999 17:07:46 -0000 Received: (qmail 14525 invoked from network); 16 Jul 1999 17:07:41 -0000 Received: from maestro.symsys.com (208.223.9.37) by redmail.netbsd.org with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 17:07:41 -0000 Received: from localhost (ingram@localhost) by maestro.symsys.com (8.8.7/8.8.7) with ESMTP id LAA24495; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:27:15 -0500 Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:27:15 -0500 (CDT) From: Greg Ingram To: David Brownlee cc: port-vax@netbsd.org Subject: Re: 1.4.1 kernels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: port-vax-owner@netbsd.org Precedence: list Delivered-To: port-vax@netbsd.org I got 1.4.1 (_SMIDGEN_) and it saves 320K over 1.4 (GENERIC), 196K over 1.4.1 (_POST_STAMP_). Thanks again. Hmm... I have another question which probably isn't VAX-specific. If my kernel is compressed, certain utilities fail. For example, dmesg fails like: # dmesg dmesg: kvm_nlist: bad namelist Why does dmesg need the kernel's name list? And another thing: does NetBSD/vax support kernfs? Is that a kernel build option? [chagrinned] (I've never built a NetBSD kernel.) - Greg From port-vax-owner-port-vax-archive=mail-archive.netbsd.org@netbsd.org Fri Jul 16 17:06:12 1999 Return-Path: Received: from mail.netbsd.org (redmail.netbsd.org [155.53.200.193]) by nbftp.isc.org (8.8.8/8.8.8) with SMTP id RAA06703 for ; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 17:06:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: (qmail 28307 invoked by uid 605); 16 Jul 1999 18:38:59 -0000 Received: (qmail 28300 invoked from network); 16 Jul 1999 18:38:54 -0000 Received: from dreamworks.com (HELO border.dreamworks.com) (209.179.64.2) by redmail.netbsd.org with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 18:38:54 -0000 Received: from cynic.anim.dreamworks.com by border.dreamworks.com via smtpd (for redmail.netbsd.org [155.53.200.193]) with SMTP; 16 Jul 1999 18:38:54 UT Received: from localhost (abs@localhost) by cynic.anim.dreamworks.com (8.8.8+Sun/8.8.8) with ESMTP id LAA03298; Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:34:52 -0700 (PDT) X-Authentication-Warning: cynic.anim.dreamworks.com: abs owned process doing -bs Date: Fri, 16 Jul 1999 11:34:51 -0700 (PDT) From: David Brownlee To: Greg Ingram cc: port-vax@netbsd.org Subject: Re: 1.4.1 kernels In-Reply-To: Message-ID: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: TEXT/PLAIN; charset=US-ASCII Sender: port-vax-owner@netbsd.org Precedence: list Delivered-To: port-vax@netbsd.org On Fri, 16 Jul 1999, Greg Ingram wrote: > > I got 1.4.1 (_SMIDGEN_) and it saves 320K over 1.4 (GENERIC), 196K over > 1.4.1 (_POST_STAMP_). Thanks again. Hmm... I have another question > which probably isn't VAX-specific. If my kernel is compressed, certain > utilities fail. For example, dmesg fails like: > > # dmesg > dmesg: kvm_nlist: bad namelist > > Why does dmesg need the kernel's name list? And another thing: does dmesg needs to extract the message buffer from the kernel memory. To do this it needs to know where the message buffer is located - hence the need to extract the namelist. > NetBSD/vax support kernfs? Is that a kernel build option? [chagrinned] > (I've never built a NetBSD kernel.) It does in GENERIC, but I'm afraid I left out kernfs in _SMIDGEN_, though I did include procfs :) David/absolute "Its just another ultimate battle of good against evil..."